Brighton Express Posted September 11, 2012 Share #976 Posted September 11, 2012 Exactly. In my opinion, R46's are even some of the better cars of the current MTA fleet. I'm sure 30 years in the future, there will be complaints about R160s. But the MTA can't operate rolling stock based on who will complain. My favorites. R46, R160, then R32 in that order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 11, 2012 Share #977 Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) I remember a few years back, 68s were taken off the Q and replaced with slants only because it gave CI time to have new door strips installed on the 40 slants when the Q wasn't running (this was back when the D ran on Brighton). There were complaints by riders about that car switch which was continuously reported on the news. It doesn't happen often, but there are some instances of complaints. Now don't let that open up the flood gates saying every car switch is met by complaints. This one was one of those rare times where the majority of riders complained. And the MTA must have ignored their complaints because R68s didn't return to the until it came home to the Broadway Line in 2001. Even then, the express still ran with slants. And when the returned to Brooklyn in 2004 and replaced the , it ran with - you guessed it...slants! Edited September 11, 2012 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted September 11, 2012 Share #978 Posted September 11, 2012 I don't see why there would be complaints. It is just a train at the end of the day. They were running regular service on the Brighton right after 9/11 and when the Broadway side of the Manhattan Br was closed.I believe the complaints were the same as they were 20 years earlier, and that those particular cars for whatever reason created more rumbling or something. They did briefly run there when the was merged with the after 9-11, but were quickly taken off (I was fresh out on the road at the time, working extra-extra, and go the line several times, and by the time I worked it, it was just 68's and 32's, but I heard the 46's were on when it first started). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 12, 2012 Share #979 Posted September 12, 2012 I recall the reason that the Q did not get R46s 11 years ago was due to lack of proper signage on the cars. Also, R68s are heavier and would therefore cause more vibrations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted September 12, 2012 Share #980 Posted September 12, 2012 And the MTA must have ignored their complaints because R68s didn't return to the until it came home to the Broadway Line in 2001. Even then, the express still ran with slants. And when the returned to Brooklyn in 2004 and replaced the , it ran with - you guessed it...slants! I do remember seeing an R46 on the Express at Cortelyou Rd. It did not really have anything significant, just was not showing anything on the side-signs but the bullet. Also remember seeing an R46 at Broadway Lafayette. That is when the was LOADED with R40s. I believe the complaints were the same as they were 20 years earlier, and that those particular cars for whatever reason created more rumbling or something. They did briefly run there when the was merged with the after 9-11, but were quickly taken off (I was fresh out on the road at the time, working extra-extra, and go the line several times, and by the time I worked it, it was just 68's and 32's, but I heard the 46's were on when it first started). Ahh ok I feel you chief. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted September 12, 2012 Share #981 Posted September 12, 2012 I recall the reason that the Q did not get R46s 11 years ago was due to lack of proper signage on the cars. Also, R68s are heavier and would therefore cause more vibrations.There were proper signs on the cars. By that time, the digital program had every route (including parts of the and as far as Essex), and even many that weren't running or never ran. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 12, 2012 Share #982 Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) How do you show a diamond/circle on the side sign of an R46? Edited September 12, 2012 by Art Vandelay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted September 12, 2012 Share #983 Posted September 12, 2012 Doesn't have diamonds (or circles for that matter). Just a 5×7 pixel letter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 13, 2012 Share #984 Posted September 13, 2012 Exactly my point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted September 21, 2012 Share #985 Posted September 21, 2012 I'm sick and tired of Bombardier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted September 21, 2012 Share #986 Posted September 21, 2012 I'm sick and tired of Bombardier. We haven't had an order from them in 10 years! Be tired of Kawasaki if anything... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 21, 2012 Share #987 Posted September 21, 2012 For the most part Kawasaki's cars have been fairly decent and they usually take on small orders. I have no problems with them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted September 21, 2012 Share #988 Posted September 21, 2012 For the most part Kawasaki's cars have been fairly decent and they usually take on small orders. I have no problems with them. I like their stuff too, but I think it's about time we didn't get an order from them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 21, 2012 Share #989 Posted September 21, 2012 That didn't stop the MTA in the past from ordering almost exclusively with St. Louis car with the R38-44. Until Kawasaki builds a lemon, there's nothing wrong with them. If we're going to go into MNCR, yes the M8 looks hideous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 21, 2012 Share #990 Posted September 21, 2012 That didn't stop the MTA in the past from ordering almost exclusively with St. Louis car with the R38-44. Until Kawasaki builds a lemon, there's nothing wrong with them. If we're going to go into MNCR, yes the M8 looks hideous. Especially with them "Mohawk" headlights. Then the 2 destination signs on the front make it look like eyebrows lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 21, 2012 Share #991 Posted September 21, 2012 Yeah, couldn't they have tried to make them side by side rather than one stacked above the other? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted September 21, 2012 Share #992 Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Guys take note, the M8 exterior was not designed by Kawasaki. They just built them. The exterior was designed by Vergara Studios. Cesar Vergara's work also includes: X2000, the Genesis engine (now known as P40), njt's apl46, those P42(?) diesel engine(he stated he wanted the Baldwin Shark look), their bi-level cars and their current paint scheme(he was their in-house designer during this time) and the M8 and it's color scheme which, btw, was originally supposed to have the mta logo in the black stripe where it meets the red while the MNR name was to be next to it in the red portion of the stripe. I've been following his work since MNR first got their Genesis engines and is a huge inspiration to me. A lot of my designs are similar to his due to our mutual like for Cadillac's design "touch". I hope to meet him one day. But yeah, kawasaki can't be blamed for the look of the M8s. Now back to topic. Lol Correction: when Cesar Vergara's designed the M8s, he worked for Jacobs Engineering at the time. Edited September 21, 2012 by Far Rock Depot 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted September 21, 2012 Share #993 Posted September 21, 2012 How do you show a diamond/circle on the side sign of an R46? Jesus what the hell is it with you people and reading carefully. Ok, I did say it was a bullet. But are you serious? How do they show the and on the R142? Question answered. God DAMN. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted September 21, 2012 Share #994 Posted September 21, 2012 Maybe the C will now become a 10 60ft car line, and the 40 cars that will give us 5 trains, will replace the rust buckets on the J/Z lines. Last time I counted, which was a few months ago, they had between 5 to 6 trains of R42's for the J/Z lines, which I usually only seen two to 3 actually used for service. The others were spares........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted September 22, 2012 Share #995 Posted September 22, 2012 Brighton Express, you do realize that the difference between an R46s side sign and the end and interior signs the NTTs is that the NTTs were designed to show the bullet shapes and the side signs on the 46s weren't right? And why the hostility with your recent posts btw? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 22, 2012 Share #996 Posted September 22, 2012 Jesus what the hell is it with you people and reading carefully. Ok, I did say it was a bullet. But are you serious? How do they show the and on the R142? Question answered. God DAMN. Calm down, Mr. "This community is going to hell because everybody fights with each other." 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depotofrelax Posted September 30, 2012 Share #997 Posted September 30, 2012 Any news as of yet R179 yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 30, 2012 Share #998 Posted September 30, 2012 Any news as of yet R179 yet. No. Why? The trains won't be built until starting from 2014... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted September 30, 2012 Share #999 Posted September 30, 2012 No. Why? The trains won't be built until starting from 2014... Doesn't mean there can't be any leaked designs or something along that lines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 30, 2012 Share #1000 Posted September 30, 2012 Doesn't mean there can't be any leaked designs or something along that lines. You're right...Sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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