Official MNRR/LIRR Short & Long Term Plans and Proposals-now & 2050

[Amtrak7]

Which stations would the third track bypass? Would it stop only at Jamaica, Mineola, and Hicksville?

 

Correct.

 

Is the Babylon Branch supposed to get any additional capacity added to it?

 

No plans for that that I am aware of. The only other multi-tracking plan actually considered seriously is Ronkonkoma, and Port Jefferson is being considered when the economy gets better.

 

Remember, the number of trains you can handle on a stretch of railroad in relation to the number of tracks is not linear. A 4-track railroad can handle a lot more than 4 times as much as a single-track railroad.

[Nexis4Jersey]

That is certainly true. But you also know what electrification costs? A LOT. Or to put it better: A LOT that the DOESN"T have. So unless you win the jackpot a couple of times and donate that to the for this, it's not gonna happen.

 

Its 3rd Rail which is pretty cheap compared to Catenary.

[Amtrak7]

Its 3rd Rail which is pretty cheap compared to Catenary.

 

More substations than catenary.

[Nexis4Jersey]

More substations than catenary.

 

Smaller Substations , also maintaining the 3rd Rail is cheaper the Catenary.

[Vistausss]

True. But we're talking about Babylon--->Montauk here. Do you know how much miles that is? Look, if the wasn't broke, then it'd be worth it. But with the current economy, do you think they really gonna electrificate that long, long portion to Montauk?

[Nexis4Jersey]

True. But we're talking about Babylon--->Montauk here. Do you know how much miles that is? Look, if the wasn't broke, then it'd be worth it. But with the current economy, do you think they really gonna electrificate that long, long portion to Montauk?

 

The Economy is improving , and the MTA always seems to have the $$$ for alot of things..

[checkmatechamp13]

True. But we're talking about Babylon--->Montauk here. Do you know how much miles that is? Look, if the wasn't broke, then it'd be worth it. But with the current economy, do you think they really gonna electrificate that long, long portion to Montauk?

 

Especially considering the fact that they were planning to eliminate all non-summer service to that branch.

[Amtrak7]

Especially considering the fact that they were planning to eliminate all non-summer service to that branch.

 

You're talking about Greenport.

 

Electrification to Speonk, Port Jeff, and Oyster Bay is the best choice. Montauk, no.

[TheKorean]

At least build mmore tracks to Speonk. If they electrify it I assume thats going to be the new terminus for most of the trains that currently terminate at babylon.

[Vistausss]

Port Jeff would be hard and costly to electrify 'cause of the grades and curves. See: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=376018&postcount=9

Better would be to first start off with double-tracking to PJ and maybe restorate it back to Wading River (it is possible). But double-tracking at least. That's really needed first.

But to Speonk and Oyster Bay is possible.

[Amtrak7]

Port Jeff would be hard and costly to electrify 'cause of the grades and curves. See: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=376018&postcount=9

Better would be to first start off with double-tracking to PJ and maybe restorate it back to Wading River (it is possible). But double-tracking at least. That's really needed first.

But to Speonk and Oyster Bay is possible.

 

Oyster Bay is my idea, the MTA is actually thinking about disconnecting the OB from the main line and running shuttle service on it in the long term. It's already the lowest ridership branch in the system that runs every day.

 

Electrics handle grades and curves better. Double-tracking PJ will be hard because of the clearance restrictions, and high tension poles will need to be moved. Extending to Wading River will face an enormous public opposition as development there grows. The ROW is mostly intact, with a few businesses/farms in the way. No houses to demolish.

[checkmatechamp13]

I had this idea for the LIRR: Since the West Hempstead and Oyster Bay branches both have low ridership, how about combining them and running them as a shuttle from Valley Stream to Oyster Bay? It would provide a good crosstown link in the system.

 

The West Hempstead Branch used to run all the way to Mineola, and I checked on Google Maps, and the tracks (or at least the ROW) are still there. If a platform could be built and connected to the Main Line platform, there could be an easy transfer, and the tracks could run over the Main Line tracks.

[Vistausss]

"It's already the lowest ridership branch in the system that runs every day."

I thought that was Montauk and Greenport? Hence the reason why they suspended Greenport-service during the winter.

 

But indeed, Wading River is developing so what would be better than to use the ROW again? It would definetly be profitable.

 

@checkmate: That would be a good idea.

[Amtrak7]

"It's already the lowest ridership branch in the system that runs every day."

I thought that was Montauk and Greenport? Hence the reason why they suspended Greenport-service during the winter.

 

"Every day". West Hempstead and Greenport are lower, but there is no weekend service there.

[Nexis4Jersey]

I came up with an Interesting City Terminal idea...i know , some of the lines are incorrectly labeled. LIRR needs to think about restoring some off the stations its closed over the past few years and adding stations in Eastern Queens. A LGA Airtrain is needed aswell , although i rather see the Airport close...

 

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=215312482559953359515.0004a2386e779cd69ef2e&ll=40.725405,-73.962021&spn=0.275275,0.878906&z=11

[Vistausss]

That looks really good, Nexis Will look into it more closely tomorrow as I have to go to sleep now.

[qjtransitmaster]

I had this idea for the LIRR: Since the West Hempstead and Oyster Bay branches both have low ridership, how about combining them and running them as a shuttle from Valley Stream to Oyster Bay? It would provide a good crosstown link in the system.

 

The West Hempstead Branch used to run all the way to Mineola, and I checked on Google Maps, and the tracks (or at least the ROW) are still there. If a platform could be built and connected to the Main Line platform, there could be an easy transfer, and the tracks could run over the Main Line tracks.

 

NICE!!! In order for this to work they need to electrify OB and greenport so trains on west wempstead can go to OB or green port.

[Vistausss]

Let me add one more thing to the LIRR Long Term Plans: getting high platforms at the only low level-station left: Belmont Park.

[Nexis4Jersey]

Let me add one more thing to the LIRR Long Term Plans: getting high platforms at the only low level-station left: Belmont Park.

 

Given the history of the LIRR and upgrading things that aren't used by alot of people i doubt that will happen.

[Vistausss]

Given the history of the LIRR and upgrading things that aren't used by alot of people i doubt that will happen.

 

There are so many more stations that aren't used by alot of people, so that doesn't matter in this case. And they could get some money from Belmont to upgrade the platforms.

[Nexis4Jersey]

Long Island Railroad

Current , Proposed or Under Construction stations

 

Main Line

New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2017)

Sunnyside JCT

Woodside

Forest Hills

Kew Gardens

Jamaica

Hollis

Francis Lewis Boulevard

Queens Village

Floral Park

New Hyde Park

Merillon Avenue

Mineola

Carle Place

Westbury

Hicksville

Bethpage

Farmingdale

Pinelawn

Wyandanch

Deer Park

Brentwood

Central Islip

Ronkonkoma

Medford

Yaphank

Riverhead

Mattituck

Southold

Greenport

 

Atlantic Branch

Atlantic Terminal

Nostrand Avenue

East New York

Woodhaven Junction

Jamaica

110 Ave

Foch Boulevard

Locust Manor

Laurelton

Rosedale

Valley Stream

 

Long Beach Branch

New York Penn Station

Sunnyside JCT

Jamaica

Lynbrook

Centre Avenue

East Rockaway

Oceanside

Island Park

Long Beach

 

Babylon Branch

New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2017)

Sunnyside JCT

Woodside

Forest Hills

Kew Gardens

Jamaica

Saint Albans

Farmers Boulevard

Valley Stream

Lynbrook

Rockville Centre

Baldwin

Freeport

Merrick

Bellmore

Wantagh

Seaford

Massapequa

Massapequa Park

Amityville

Copiague

Lindenhurst

Babylon

 

Montauk Branch

Long Island City

Penny Bridge

Haberman

Fresh Pond

Glendale

Richmond Hill

Jamaica

Saint Albans

Farmers Boulevard

Valley Stream

Lynbrook

Rockville Centre

Baldwin

Freeport

Merrick

Bellmore

Wantagh

Seaford

Massapequa

Massapequa Park

Amityville

Copiague

Lindenhurst

Babylon

Bay Shore

Islip

Great River

Oakdale

Sayville

Patchogue

Bellport

Mastic – Shirley

Speonk

Westhampton

Hampton Bays

Southampton

Bridgehampton

East Hampton

Amagansett

Montauk

 

West Hempstead Branch

New York Penn Station

Sunnyside JCT

Woodside

Forest Hills

Kew Gardens

Jamaica

Saint Albans

Farmers Boulevard

Valley Stream

Westwood

Malverne

Lakeview

Hempstead Gardens

West Hempstead

 

Far Rockaway Branch

Atlantic Terminal

Nostrand Avenue

East New York

Woodhaven Junction

Jamaica

110 Ave

Foch Boulevard

Locust Manor

Laurelton

Rosedale

Valley Stream

Gibson

Hewlett

Woodmere

Cedarhurst

Lawrence

Inwood

Far Rockaway

 

Oyster Bay Branch

Penn Station

Jamaica

Mineola

East Williston

Albertson

Roslyn

Greenvale

Glen Head

Sea Cliff

Glen Street

Glen Cove

Locust Valley

Oyster Bay

 

Port Jefferson Branch

New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2017)

Sunnyside JCT

Woodside

Forest Hills

Kew Gardens

Jamaica

Hollis

Francis Lewis Boulevard

Queens Village

Floral Park

New Hyde Park

Merillon Avenue

Mineola

Carle Place

Westbury

Hicksville

Syosset

Cold Spring Harbor

Huntington

Greenlawn

Northport

Kings Park

Smithtown

St. James

Stony Brook

Port Jefferson

Mount Sinai

Miller Place

Rocky Point

Shoreham

Wading River

 

Hempstead Branch

New York Penn Station

Sunnyside JCT

Woodside

Forest Hills

Kew Gardens

Jamaica

Hollis

Francis Lewis Boulevard

Queens Village

Floral Park

Stewart Manor

Nassau Boulevard

Garden City

Country Life Press

Hempstead

 

Port Washington Branch

New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2017)

Sunnyside JCT

Woodside

Elmhurst

Corona

Mets–Willets Point

Flushing Main Street

Murray Hill

Broadway

Auburndale

Bayside

Douglaston

Little Neck

Great Neck

Manhasset

Plandome

Port Washington

 

JFK Airtrain - Trunk line

Jamaica

Liberty Ave

Linden Boulevard

Rockaway Boulevard

Federal Circle

Terminal 1

Terminal 2 & 3

Terminal 4

Terminal 5

Terminal 7

Terminal 8

 

JFK Airtrain - Howard Beach Branch

Howard Beach

Lefferts Boulevard

Federal Circle

Terminal 1

Terminal 2 & 3

Terminal 4

Terminal 5

Terminal 7

Terminal 8

 

Proposed or Planned Lines

JFK Airtrain - Howard Beach - Jamaica line

Howard Beach

Lefferts Boulevard

Rockaway Boulevard

Linden Boulevard

Liberty Ave

Jamaica

 

Central Branch

New York Penn Station

Sunnyside JCT

Woodside

Forest Hills

Kew Gardens

Jamaica

Hollis

Francis Lewis Boulevard

Queens Village

Floral Park

Stewart Manor

Nassau Boulevard

Garden City

Country Life Press

East Garden City

Nassau University Medical Center - Carman Ave

Levittown

Stewart Ave

Farmingdale - Main Street

North Lindenhurst

Babylon

 

Sag Harbor Branch

Long Island City

Penny Bridge

Haberman

Fresh Pond

Glendale

Richmond Hill

Jamaica

Saint Albans

Farmers Boulevard

Valley Stream

Lynbrook

Rockville Centre

Baldwin

Freeport

Merrick

Bellmore

Wantagh

Seaford

Massapequa

Massapequa Park

Amityville

Copiague

Lindenhurst

Babylon

Bay Shore

Islip

Great River

Oakdale

Sayville

Patchogue

Bellport

Mastic – Shirley

Speonk

Westhampton

Hampton Bays

Southampton

Bridgehampton

Sag Harbor

 

Sunset Park Branch

Sunset Park

Bay Ridge

Ocean Parkway

Flatbush Ave

New Lots Road

Woodhaven Junction

Jamaica

 

HarborLink

Grand Central Terminal

Sunnyside JCT

Woodside

Middle Village

Wilson Ave

East New York

New Lots Road

Flatbush Ave

Ocean Parkway

Bay Ridge

St. George Ferry Terminal

Bayonne

Elizabethport

Midtown Elizabeth

Roselle

Cranford

[VWM]

Long Island Railroad

 

Current , Proposed or Under Construction stations

 

Montauk Branch

Long Island City

Penny Bridge

Haberman

Fresh Pond

Glendale

Richmond Hill

 

You do know these stations were closed b/c they had only 1 or 2 passengers daily and if they were reopened they would need high-level platforms. Also, some stations had no signage whatsoever and no idea they were there even by residents... It would be nice to see them open again... Here's thier locations:Map

[VWM]

Here is My input to this..

MAP

[checkmatechamp13]

LOL. New Lots Road hasn't existed for a long time. It's New Lots Avenue. How old is that map you're using?

[Brighton Express]

I think that the LIRR should get some of those SICK NJT Bi-levels.

 

 

Also, they need to add some P32AC-DMs/P40-DCs

 

 

Maybe look into getting some Comet Vs

 

 

I know some of these are unfamiliar, but ALL of them have electrified versions.