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[Lance]

Unless you boost the amount of local trains, you're going to have a whole lot more passengers at Jamaica line stations west of Broadway Junction. Remember that one of the main functions of the / skip-stop is better passenger distribution.

[TheSubwayStation]

I don't know if I really like this whole Myrtle - Bwy Jct express thing. Let's say we made the the express. Wouldn't it just create overcrowding on the , because Jamaica riders would not want to take the anymore?

The beauty of skip-stop service is that you don't have one line that is significantly faster than the other. Whereas if most riders are traveling peak-direction, and you have a faster "express" service, everyone is going to get on the express because it takes them to/from Manhattan quickest.

With skip-stop, just about every other station is a only or a only. It evens out the ridership. But if you look at the map, the Myrtle - Bwy Jct express would leave just 4 -only stations. The rest would give a lot of people the opportunity to get on the faster . This supports my point that the would be packed, and the more empty.

Moreover, let's just agree that this proposed exp/local setup wouldn't give ANYONE a faster ride. The Myrtle - Bwy Jct express saves fewer stops than the current skip-stop setup.

Edited by TheSubwayStation, 29 May 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Roadcruiser1]

It's just easier to create something like the <R> or just wait for the .

[Brighton Express]

The <R> bullet is available, but your best bet is the ( W ) if anything.

So you are tellin me that tey should run the ( W ) or <R> altogether? I am lost with your idea.

[Roadcruiser1]

The <R> bullet is available, but your best bet is the ( W ) if anything.

So you are tellin me that tey should run the ( W ) or <R> altogether? I am lost with your idea.

I think it should just be a brown . The might come back as a Broadway Local to help the . The brown could run from Chambers Street to Bay Parkway.

[m7zanr160s]

Local service is not that slow. Barring delays, the train gets in and out of it's stations fairly quickly. Skip-stop is faster, but not that much faster. I say eliminate skip-stop and make the an express from the Junction to Marcy Av., peak-direction, terminating at Broad St.

[NX Express]

Wait...

Just because somebody sees '8 car R160' spray-painted onto a wall, they decide the is going to Brooklyn? That makes no sense, even neglecting the fact that that 'sign' has been there for a while.

[CDTA]

Wait, now why was the extension killed again?

[Brighton Express]

I think it should just be a brown . The might come back as a Broadway Local to help the . The brown could run from Chambers Street to Bay Parkway.

Why do you want to run from Chambers St? That holds up traffic to Broad St, but trains terminating at Chambers St can be easily solved by putting them on the middle track. Why not just do what many have said, extend the rush hours down to 9 Av.

The Nassau Line does what one of the few lines does; Gives service to every line in Manhattan. Plus it would be easing the load on the during rush hours. Problem solved? I think yes.

Side note for everyone else, try to keep this in tact.

[TheSubwayStation]

Local service is not that slow. Barring delays, the train gets in and out of it's stations fairly quickly. Skip-stop is faster, but not that much faster. I say eliminate skip-stop and make the an express from the Junction to Marcy Av., peak-direction, terminating at Broad St.

Maybe not, but people who don't understand that will think, "oh, it's an express. It must be a lot faster."

I still really don't get the point of the Myrtle-Bwy Jct express idea. Can someone please explain why a route that is actually slower than the existing skip-stop will improve anything?

[tvega961]

I think it should just be a brown . The might come back as a Broadway Local to help the . The brown could run from Chambers Street to Bay Parkway.

The doesn't need any help. It's fine the way it is. we are talking about the . Also bringing back a train line is basically pointless at this point. Especially a retired one with just a different color. If you do that, the only trains you would have to run on the so called Brown would be R160's.

[Roadcruiser1]

The doesn't need any help. It's fine the way it is. we are talking about the . Also bringing back a train line is basically pointless at this point. Especially a retired one with just a different color. If you do that, the only trains you would have to run on the so called Brown would be R160's.

The West End Line Bay Parkway Station...

[Brighton Express]

The West End Line Bay Parkway Station...

But wouldn't this essentially be bringing back the <M>?

[Roadcruiser1]

But wouldn't this essentially be bringing back the <M>?

Yes but with a different letter, or we could just wait for the . Have a line run from Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard to Bay Parkway all local during weekdays only..

[Grand Concourse]

Maybe not, but people who don't understand that will think, "oh, it's an express. It must be a lot faster."

I still really don't get the point of the Myrtle-Bwy Jct express idea. Can someone please explain why a route that is actually slower than the existing skip-stop will improve anything?

It's part of that 'there's an express track there, why not use them?' mentality. Like I said before, I don't think that segment will see use because of it adding another merging issue for the at Myrtle. If both directions of the didn't have a level crossing, (think Broadway Junction where the can switch to the ), then maybe an express service thru that area could happen.

[TheSubwayStation]

It's part of that 'there's an express track there, why not use them?' mentality. Like I said before, I don't think that segment will see use because of it adding another merging issue for the at Myrtle. If both directions of the didn't have a level crossing, (think Broadway Junction where the can switch to the ), then maybe an express service thru that area could happen.

Yeah, we railfans (myself included) just seem to love finding every single possibility for a new express service. It's quite fun, actually, to come up with new route ideas, and it certainly doesn't make you a foamer or whatever. But there comes a time when you just have to sit back and think, "will this really improve the system?" Often, the answer is no.

[NY1635]

It's just easier to create something like the <R> or just wait for the .

It just doesn't have the same appeal as the J extension to 4th Avenue: A Jamaica line that goes to Downtown Brooklyn.

[Brighton Express]

And yet again;

A extension would give help to the 4 Av, and give the 4 Av customers service to EVERY LINE. Except the Shuttles.

[Roadcruiser1]

The problem is there is a risk in which it will kill / skip stop service.

[Amtrak7]

Later in that Subchat thread, there is a T/O or C/R who says the spray painted sign wasn't there two weeks ago.