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Mayor Bloomberg wants to impose 16-ounce limit on sugar drinks


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#1 mark1447

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:10 AM

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"No more super-sized Cokes. Forget about 64-ounce stomach-busting sodas at KFC. Even 20-ounce Snapples are on Mayor Bloomberg’s latest heath-conscious hit list.

In a dramatic move to reduce obesity, the city is going to become the first in the nation to impose a 16-ounce limit on the size of sweetened beverages sold in food establishments that receive letter grades from the Health Department, as well as mobile food carts.

The list includes more than 20,000 restaurants, as well as movie theaters, stadiums and arenas.

Bloomberg posed for a photo-op yesterday where he used sugar cubes as props to highlight how sugary the drinks are.

The big-drink ban would take effect in March 2013 after public hearings. It would apply to bottled drinks as well as fountain sodas.

There would be no restrictions placed on diet sodas or beverages with less than 25 calories per 8 ounces.

But stores that allow customers to draw their own fountain drinks wouldn’t be allowed to stock cups larger than 16 ounces, to prevent switches from diet to non-diet beverages.

Stores that don’t downsize would face fines of $200. Supermarkets, grocery stores and other food sellers would not be affected.

Bloomberg said he had no qualms about supporting the 16-ounce limit when it was presented to him by a multi-agency task force formed last December to find ways of reducing obesity.

“All across the country, everybody recognizes obesity as a growing, serious problem,” the mayor said in an interview. “But everybody’s just sitting around wringing their hands, not doing anything about it . . . I think it’s fair to say that while everyone else is sitting around complaining, New York City is acting.”

He said he didn’t expect the soda industry, which is gearing up for battle, to come up with legal ammunition to undo what would be a Health Department regulation similar to those requiring the posting of calorie counts and the banning of trans fats.

“I don’t know how in court you would challenge it,” said the mayor. “We’re not taking away any rights.”

Not all soda-drinkers were on board with Bloomberg’s plan.

“Just because he doesn’t like soda doesn’t mean others don’t, too,” Arthur Abermov, 22, said at a Midtown McDonald’s.

And James Estrada, a truck driver from Forest Hills, Queens, said Bloomberg shouldn’t impose a one-size-fits-all ban.

“I’m 6-2, 230 pounds so . . . serving sizes don’t really apply to me,” said Estrada, 41.

“I just know that’s not enough for me. I usually get a large because it’s a good deal and I take long trips.

“I don’t want to stop every hour for another drink.”

Stefan Friedman, a spokesman for the New York City Beverage Association, called the city’s proposal misguided.

“There they go again,” he said. “The New York City Health Department’s obsession with attacking soft drinks is again pushing them over the top.”

Friedman said obesity rates have continued to rise even as the consumption of sugared drinks has dropped, evidence that the city was going after the wrong culprit in the weight-gain crisis.He rejected the 16-ounce limit as a distraction from “hard work that needs to be done” to combat obesity."

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#2 DanTheTransitMan

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:46 AM

He is infringing my god given right to be obese. Screw these liberals they know nothing about health. Back in 1976 soda was proven, by those scientist fellows, to be healthy. This isn't the America I know.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:25 AM

*facepalm*
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:47 AM

He is infringing my god given right to be obese. Screw these liberals they know nothing about health. Back in 1976 soda was proven, by those scientist fellows, to be healthy. This isn't the America I know.


Funny thing, before he became "mayor for life", he ran as a conservative.

Regardless, how about you stop worrying about banning everything that's quote-unquote unhealthy and actually concern yourself with the things the citizens of New York put you in office for Mr. Mayor? I'm getting really tired of hearing about the next initiative that tries to control what people do. If people want to be gluttonous pigs and eat 25 meals a day or something containing 18000 calories, that's their problem, not yours. It's not an issue that should be dealt with by any public official. That should be dealt with by the individual and their doctors. If they have a massive heart attack because they can't be bothered to actually give a damn about what they eat, that's on them. Why should everyone suffer because of the actions of people who probably don't even care enough to actually try to get into shape in the first place?

And you know what, even if by some sheer luck, this actually gets passed, does anyone here really think that people would actually buy just that one 16oz soda, coffee, etc? They'll probably just buy two and we'll be right back at square one, just with everyone pissed off because of more nanny-state nonsense.
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#5 MTARegional Bus

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:59 AM

I don't even buy super-sized drinks but this is ridiculous. people should be responsible for what they eat, if they want to be obese let them. it will only hurt them in the long run.

Edited by MTARegional Bus, 31 May 2012 - 08:12 AM.

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#6 Shortline Bus

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:25 AM

Well said Lance. Better idea which is maybe the four letter word in NYC and american politics over the last 30 years "taxes" is overlooked. What about a "sin tax" Mr. Mayor for Life?

You know a 8-10-cent plus extra charge on so called sin products from beer/booze to gambling and fast food? That would be much fairer than banning these products imo.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:40 AM

If Bloomberg gave half as much attention to the neighborhoods that are still rundown as he does about crap like how big a drink is, this city would be a heck of a lot better than it is now.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:48 AM

He is infringing my god given right to be obese. Screw these liberals they know nothing about health. Back in 1976 soda was proven, by those scientist fellows, to be healthy. This isn't the America I know.

Funny thing, before he became "mayor for life", he ran as a conservative.

Regardless, how about you stop worrying about banning everything that's quote-unquote unhealthy and actually concern yourself with the things the citizens of New York put you in office for Mr. Mayor? I'm getting really tired of hearing about the next initiative that tries to control what people do. If people want to be gluttonous pigs and eat 25 meals a day or something containing 18000 calories, that's their problem, not yours. It's not an issue that should be dealt with by any public official. That should be dealt with by the individual and their doctors. If they have a massive heart attack because they can't be bothered to actually give a damn about what they eat, that's on them. Why should everyone suffer because of the actions of people who probably don't even care enough to actually try to get into shape in the first place?

And you know what, even if by some sheer luck, this actually gets passed, does anyone here really think that people would actually buy just that one 16oz soda, coffee, etc? They'll probably just buy two and we'll be right back at square one, just with everyone pissed off because of more nanny-state nonsense.

I don't even buy super-sized drinks but this is ridiculous. people should be responsible for what they eat, if they want to be obese let them. it will only hurt them in the long run.


The fact of the matter is what people don't realize is that obese folks DO affect everyone else and the increase in medical costs for the city affects everyone. Higher premiums for healthcare and higher medical costs often translate to higher taxes for you and I. Now I don't necessarily agree with this, BUT from a cost perspective it's a good plan. I'm sorry but if some fat slob wants to kill himself I say more power to him, but why should my health premiums and taxes go up because of him or her?? <_<

Quite frankly, this isn't really about playing nanny or even that the Mayor cares oh so much about everyone's health. It's an initiative being taken by various cities and various companies. Healthier people mean lower company costs, and lower city and state costs.

The issue is that healthcare costs continue to skyrocket and what folks don't realize is it has to be paid for... If you don't like the nanny state then explain to me what you would suggest then so that our healthcare premiums and taxes don't continue to increase constantly.

For the record, this is also why countries around the world started attacking cigarettes because of the tax burden on tax payers.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:57 AM

Are you *sure* you're a conservative? Because you don't act like one, especially lately.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:07 AM

Are you *sure* you're a conservative? Because you don't act like one, especially lately.


I'm fiscally conservative and I don't like high taxes and high healthcare costs because of some obese slob who can't control himself. Do you??

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:37 AM

Your also rich enough to afford healthcare. A lot of the obese people you speak of are poor. In America its the ultimate irony. The cheapest food is also the worst for you, which leads to health problems. This is the only country in the world where you can be fat and poor at the same time.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:40 AM

Quit telling me what I can and can't eat and drink Mr. Bloomberg, this is America and whatever the people want to do to their health is their problem and not the government's.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:46 AM

Your also rich enough to afford healthcare. A lot of the obese people you speak of are poor. In America its the ultimate irony. The cheapest food is also the worst for you, which leads to health problems. This is the only country in the world where you can be fat and poor at the same time.


That's besides the point... I'll have you know that young single professionals like myself pay some of the highest taxes in the country as it is. Married couples get off easy. These days there is no excuse for being obese. The poor families that you speak of have access to food stamps and many healthy supermarkets accept them. I've certainly seen them in Whole Foods and they do stand out from the rest of us, but the point is that they can shop at one of the healthiest supermarkets around. Drinking 32 oz sodas is an option and is not obligatory.


Quit telling me what I can and can't eat and drink Mr. Bloomberg, this is America and whatever the people want to do to their health is their problem and not the government's.


That's where you're wrong. It most certainly is the government's problem since they have to pay the high healthcare costs for these obese individuals.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:51 AM

That's besides the point... I'll have you know that young single professionals like myself pay some of the highest taxes in the country as it is. Married couples get off easy. These days there is no excuse for being obese. The poor families that you speak of have access to food stamps and many healthy supermarkets accept them. I've certainly seen them in Whole Foods and they do stand out from the rest of us, but the point is that they can shop at one of the healthiest supermarkets around. Drinking 32 oz sodas is an option and is not obligatory.


No you haven't. The people who I'm talking about could never afford to shop at Whole Foods.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:55 AM

No you haven't. The people who I'm talking about could never afford to shop at Whole Foods.


Yes I have... It's called food stamps....

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:30 AM

Yes, not every poor person is a US Citizen mooching off the state. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:50 AM

Yes, not every poor person is a US Citizen mooching off the state. Sorry to burst your bubble.


The point is they have other avenues that they can use. The excuse normally given is that poor folks have no choice but to eat garbage, which is simply not true. As for the soda tax, it should've been enacted.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:03 AM

Not going to use the quotes feature, just commenting on the posts

Look, I don't care about how obesity is affecting medical costs and whatnot. I'm getting sick and tired of politicians using the legal system to dictate what people eat, drink and do. Last time I checked, this is still the United States of America, not some damn communist country on the other side of the world. If these folks want their constituents to be healthier, make healthier food options cheaper. Don't go around banning everything that's alleged unhealthy and say that's going to solve the damn problem because you know just as well as I do that it won't work.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:10 AM

Can somebody PLEASE impeach this corporate big shot!!! Every day he is sitting in Tammany Hall he is destroying the city in every way possible

I wonder how much the organic food industry and the yuppies have "influenced" this decision....
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:12 AM

Not going to use the quotes feature, just commenting on the posts

Look, I don't care about how obesity is affecting medical costs and whatnot. I'm getting sick and tired of politicians using the legal system to dictate what people eat, drink and do. Last time I checked, this is still the United States of America, not some damn communist country on the other side of the world. If these folks want their constituents to be healthier, make healthier food options cheaper. Don't go around banning everything that's alleged unhealthy and say that's going to solve the damn problem because you know just as well as I do that it won't work.


lol... So you have no problem continuing to pay higher taxes and higher medical costs unnecessarily, is that right?? I'm not saying these proposals are the answer, but something has to be done. The state and city simply can't afford these increasing costs. The healthcare costs continue to skyrocket while tax revenues continue to decrease. How are we supposed to pay for these costs? That's my question to you. It's very easy to say that you don't care about increasing healthcare costs but they have to be paid for one way or another.

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