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[Q23 Central Terminal]

Can you explain it please Q23? The link wont open.

59 is retained with no cuts
61: New Route, from Spring Valley to New City
91: Extended to Sparekill and Shortened to terminate at Haverstraw. Service to New City Discontinued, use the new 61 for service there
92: Discontinued with sections from Sparekill to Spring Valley taken over by the 91, and the section along NY 303 being replaced by the 97
93 is retained but extended to Nyack serving the Palisades Mall to relieve the 59 along the shared section
95 is retained
97 would operate current route rush hours, and have midday service run between Tompkins Cove and Sparkill, and weekend service between West Haverstraw

In response to the 59 being the only bus serving the mall, the 97 and 93 will serve the mall as well.

Edited by Q23 Central Term, 04 July 2012 - 09:54 AM.

[B35 via Church]

In response to the 59 being the only bus serving the mall, the 97 and 93 will serve the mall as well.

You edited your map sometime after I made that reply....

Because you DID have the 59 as the only local route serving palisades & nyack on your map.....

[Q23 Central Terminal]

You edited your map sometime after I made that reply....

Because you DID have the 59 as the only local route serving palisades & nyack on your map.....

I admit, yes, after you replied I changed it ( unlike some people, I won't name people), and the 59 was the only local route serving the area on the map at the time, but made my new 97 serve it as well as my new 93 serve it. The 94 is not on the map but I will put it, don't think I discontinued it. BTW the 94 would terminate at Helen Hayes Hospital All times. The 97 would serve Tompkins Cove

[qjtransitmaster]

I admit, yes, after you replied I changed it ( unlike some people, I won't name people), and the 59 was the only local route serving the area on the map at the time, but made my new 97 serve it as well as my new 93 serve it. The 94 is not on the map but I will put it, don't think I discontinued it. BTW the 94 would terminate at Helen Hayes Hospital All times. The 97 would serve Tompkins Cove

problem RT 9 Goes there. and thas redundant

[qjtransitmaster]

lets be honest all TOR needs is better marketing and splitting up 91 into 2 or 3 but preferably 2 routes U shaped lines are ugly and unsightly. The rest are fine TZX needs LESS STOPS!!!! at all times. and another route for tarrytown at off peak times via extension of 91 eastern part. Rt should absorb some duplicate lines killing redundancy. Restructuring of 92 is doable. The RT 20 needs to be restructured along with 84 which needs life. You can't make a proper rockland proposal without considering R&T and surrounding counties. Heck Northern bergen also is part of the CUSA service area. So a change in rockland effects parts of orange there are gaps in connectivity.

[Shortline Bus]

lets be honest all TOR needs is better marketing and splitting up 91 into 2 or 3 but preferably 2 routes U shaped lines are ugly and unsightly. The rest are fine TZX needs LESS STOPS!!!! at all times. and another route for tarrytown at off peak times via extension of 91 eastern part. Rt should absorb some duplicate lines killing redundancy. Restructuring of 92 is doable. The RT 20 needs to be restructured along with 84 which needs life. You can't make a proper rockland proposal without considering R&T and surrounding counties. Heck Northern bergen also is part of the CUSA service area. So a change in rockland effects parts of orange there are gaps in connectivity.

Good points. I admit i dont know TOR that well (i only been on the TZX #59 92/97 when i attended classes at LIU-Rockland last fall)
With that said, the TZX "regular service" between Tarrytown/WP and Spring Valley makes way too many stops. The #59 is supposed to be the Local Version of the TZX. Overall the TZX should be run as a NYC style "Limited Stop" bus route.
Not to mention the only time the TZX should be hourly service is late evening and most of Saturday.
And more weekday "express" service between Suffern and Tarrytown as well.

In other words my proposal in which Nyack service is restuctred and limited.

Weekday Rush Hours.
TZX renamed the "Z" route runs between Spring Valley and White Plains via Palsides and Nyack. No stops in Tarrytown.
30-minute headways
TZX rebnamed the "X" runs between Suffern and Tarrytown via Palasides. "Express" via NY Thruway.
TZX renamed the "Y" which includes part of the #91 extension via Local to/from Tarrytown via Nyack and Palsides. Rush Hour only.
Replaces TZX "short turn" Palsides-Tarrytown service via Nyack.


Weekday Middays (appx. 930am-3pm)and Early Evening (appx. 7pm-10pm)
"Z" aka current TZX route. Existing service between Spring Valley and White Plains via Tarrytown. Limited stops and restucture of Nyack. Every 60 minutes.
"X" runs between Suffern and Tarrytown via Palasides(replaces the Shortline/Coach USA runs). No Nyack. Every 60 minutes.
Tarrytown station now gets Rockland bus service every half hour weekday middays and evenings until around 9pm.

Weekday late evenings and Most of Saturday(except for 4-8pm)
"Z" aka current TZX route. Existing service between Spring Valley and White Plains via Tarrytown. Limited stops and restucture of Nyack. Every 60 minutes


Saturdays evening (4-930pm)only

Additional short turn service on the "Z" via Local to/from Tarrytown and Spring Valley. via Nyack and Palsides. Gives Tarrytown riders
30 minute service Saturdays during busiest hours of the malls along Route 59.


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[Q23 Central Terminal]

problem RT 9 Goes there. and thas redundant

Palisades needs at least 2 services other than the 59

Anyone think the 59 should get limited stop service at least rush hours

[Q43LTD]

If the money was there, I'd give certain routes hawks

[Q23 Central Terminal]

If the money was there, I'd give certain routes hawks

I'd give the 1, 20, and 60 Hourly night service to begin with.

[Shortline Bus]

I'd give the 1, 20, and 60 Hourly night service to begin with.

Q23 I agree with the the 1/2 only between Downtown Yonkers and 242 St and the #20 getting owl service. However the #60 does not need overnight service. If anything the #7 crosstown between New Rochelle and Dowtown Yonkers needs it much more.

As i stated before Q23 and guys in earlier posts only the #1/2 between Yonkers and 242 St. 7, 20 and maybe the #42 New Rochelle/Mt. Vernon-242 St station needs 24/7 service.

[checkmatechamp13]

Since the Bx9 isn't too delay-prone overnights, why not just extend that to Yonkers? It would be cheaper for Westchester to reimburse NYCT for the extra distance than it would be to run a seperate service. (Then again, it's a fairly short distance that they'd overlap, but still)

[Q23 Central Terminal]

Does bee Line run late nights at all

[Shortline Bus]

Does bee Line run late nights at all

Nope. Plus no service all day on Thanksgiving and Christmas Days either.(union contract)
Bee line is semi private bus company i.e similar to amtrak in the county.

[Orion VII 4 Life]

Nope. Plus no service all day on Thanksgiving and Christmas Days either.(union contract)
Bee line is semi private bus company i.e similar to amtrak in the county.

It's not really a bus company, it's a county-owned-and-financed bus system but operated by a private company like NICE, except Westchester is smart and doesn't hire a multinational conglomerate to operate it.

[GreatOne2k]

Q23 I agree with the the 1/2 only between Downtown Yonkers and 242 St and the #20 getting owl service. However the #60 does not need overnight service. If anything the #7 crosstown between New Rochelle and Dowtown Yonkers needs it much more.

As i stated before Q23 and guys in earlier posts only the #1/2 between Yonkers and 242 St. 7, 20 and maybe the #42 New Rochelle/Mt. Vernon-242 St station needs 24/7 service.

60 can run overnight between The Bronx and New Rochelle

Edited by GreatOne2k, 12 July 2012 - 08:16 PM.

[alejr88]

60 can run overnight between The Bronx and New Rochelle

That I can agree with, just hourly until the first 5:20 bus goes to White Plains but I just don't think the 60 needs overnight service. The 20 certainly does though I don't know if its because of the Cross County Mall and Macy's.

Edited by alejr88, 16 August 2012 - 10:35 PM.

[Shortline Bus]

That I can agree with, just hourly until the first 5:20 bus goes to White Plains but I just don't think the 60 needs overnight service. The 20 certainly does though I don't know if its because of the Cross County Mall and Macy's.

Not to mention Empire City/Formely Yonkers Raceway now having close to 24/7 hours. Just run the #20 at least between Bedford Park and Tuchahoe Rd(alot of motels in that area) overnights. Cross County is closed overnights and really not a great place for a terminal.

Also as much as around the holidays no one wants to work but at least the #20 (along with the #1/2, 4, 7, 13, 25, 42 and 60) should run Thanksgiving and X-Mas at least for few hours between 8am-6pm for instance.

[mark1447]

Since this thread is mostly becoming discussion on Late Night improvment, maybe a new thread or title change should occur?

Does bee Line run late nights at all

Bee-Line is not 24/7. The ONLY bus route that operates late is the 20 Bus till about 2AM (Being in the Bx by 2AM)

That I can agree with, just hourly until the first 5:20 bus goes to White Plains but I just don't think the 60 needs overnight service. The 20 certainly does though I don't know if its because of the Cross County Mall and Macy's.

I disagree with that. I think the 60 could use late night service. When ever I come out of White Plains on the LAST bus to the Bronx on a Weekday, that bus gets full at Martine & Mamaroneck Ave. It does lighting up a bit at North Ave/US1 in New Roch, but then gets some more load at Post Road Plaza in Pelham. That Last bus ending at New Rochelle would still have passengers but forcing them to take a 42 to head to the Bx. The last 60 becomes a 7 to Yonkers as I've witness many times.

If late night service is a must, I'd have the following run late:

1 and/or 2. Make the 1 head up Ardsley Square as the 1C does.
4, 7, 40, 42, 45, 55 All night (40 only up to White Plains or if not Eastchester)
13 from Tarrytown to Port Chester
20 All night to/from White Plains and Bedford Park. I've been on the last 20 to Bedford Park, and by the time it hit Yonkers Ave and the Empire area, that bus was full to the end, I remember few were unable to get on, forced to walk.
60- Mamaroneck RR to/from Fordham Plaza OR Pelham Parkway / US Route 1

Question on late nights:

5 and/or 6. (But you could use the 1/2 and 7 as alternative. 7 via Neppherhan Ave)
25
14 (At least to Ossining, but via Pleasentville, as replacement for the 15), every 2 hours or so.

Since the Bx9 isn't too delay-prone overnights, why not just extend that to Yonkers? It would be cheaper for Westchester to reimburse NYCT for the extra distance than it would be to run a seperate service. (Then again, it's a fairly short distance that they'd overlap, but still)

People from Lower Yonkers would use the Bx9, because there is no 1 or 2 buses running after Midnight. You could extend the Bx9, it only adds like 10-15min to its current 30-45min late night service. Now if the 1/2 were late birds, then the Bx9 should stick to where it is.

[Shortline Bus]

Mark this is not NYC. Westchester is car country. I use beeline on a semi regular basis(to avoid paying high MNRR Hudson Line train fares lol). Only a handful of Bronx-south county(Yonkers, New Rochelle and Mt. ernon) lines need 24/7. You ever been on the #14 before? Just wondering.

[Shortline Bus]

Let me reply as i occasional use Bee Line. There is no need for all night service for any northern county routes i.e #14, 15, 16, etc. There a reason they run usually every hour-two daily. Replies in red. Mark if you been on the #14 you realize you made a incorrect comment. Where the monies to pay for this? Sorry if i sound rude guys but it sounds like you (Mark)only been on the bronx-lower westchester lines.Only a handful need 24/7 service.

Since this thread is mostly becoming discussion on Late Night improvment, maybe a new thread or title change should occur?



Bee-Line is not 24/7. The ONLY bus route that operates late is the 20 Bus till about 2AM (Being in the Bx by 2AM)




I disagree with that. I think the 60 could use late night service. When ever I come out of White Plains on the LAST bus to the Bronx on a Weekday, that bus gets full at Martine & Mamaroneck Ave. It does lighting up a bit at North Ave/US1 in New Roch, but then gets some more load at Post Road Plaza in Pelham. That Last bus ending at New Rochelle would still have passengers but forcing them to take a 42 to head to the Bx. The last 60 becomes a 7 to Yonkers as I've witness many times.

Maybe run until 1230am for the #60. There the New Haven line between New Rochelle and Fordham. Make that run all night.


If late night service is a must, I'd have the following run late:

1 and/or 2. Make the 1 head up Ardsley Square as the 1C does.
To Downtown Yonkers yes. That it.
4, 7, 40, 42, 45, 55 All night (40 only up to White Plains or if not Eastchester)
Of that group only the #7 and maybe the #42 could use all night service. For the #40 let them use the Harlem line between Mount Vernon and White Plains.
13 from Tarrytown to Port Chester
Maybe run it until 1am monday-Saturdays and Midnight sundays. Not enough ridership for overnight service.
20 All night to/from White Plains and Bedford Park. I've been on the last 20 to Bedford Park, and by the time it hit Yonkers Ave and the Empire area, that bus was full to the end, I remember few were unable to get on, forced to walk.
Only one i agree 100%. However in near future i can see Bee Line officals running only between Tuchahoe Rd and Bedford Park though for all night service.

60- Mamaroneck RR to/from Fordham Plaza OR Pelham Parkway / US Route 1
You got the New Haven/Stamford MNRR nearby for a reason. You think Beeline has a unlimited budget? Again run it till 1230am-1am. For all night service between Fordham-New Rochelle tell MTA to create owl MNRR service.

Question on late nights:

5 and/or 6. (But you could use the 1/2 and 7 as alternative. 7 via Neppherhan Ave)
Not enough ridership. North of Yonkers, this is NIMBY country for the #5/6. I do agree they need later service at least until Midnight 6 days a week & 11pm Sundays. (Last bus leaving White Plains)
25 It should run a little later until at latest 1am (weekdays last bus leaving 238th St station)and 1230am weekends. No needed service after that.
14 (At least to Ossining, but via Pleasentville, as replacement for the 15), every 2 hours or so.
You kidding me right Mark (No offense but being honest)? Yes the #14 could run little later until 11pm(last bus leaving white plains weekdays and saturdays)but this is the north county car country. No need for service past that time. I will agree the last few Northbound trips which are short turns to Ossining should be extended to Croton Harmon station though. And Sunday service (last trip from White Plains) runs until 9pm.



People from Lower Yonkers would use the Bx9, because there is no 1 or 2 buses running after Midnight. You could extend the Bx9, it only adds like 10-15min to its current 30-45min late night service. Now if the 1/2 were late birds, then the Bx9 should stick to where it is.

Just have the #1/2 run every hour between Getty Sq between 1-5am and call it a night lol.