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[qjtransitmaster]

well since we have nice,beeline and NYC why not NJT.

start Northern:

752/186: eliminate 752 service east of englewood due to many alternatives 186 eliminate teneck rd segment due to duplication. Then merge 752 with 186 186 improves to every 30 mins to compensate west of englewood.

182 extend to montclair university via outwater ln and clifton ave timed with trains at clifton and plauderville if 705 gets axed then 182 can take on those ppl with a boost to 182 service. 191 gets improved to hourly times with 182. with 705 out 191 gets powered up. Not sure with this one.

30 extend to irvington bus terminal and replace 42.

704 extend to cresskill via fairlawn ave then bergen community college and midland ave to riveredge train station to madison ave then all the way to cresskill. 753 is too infrequent for madison so 704 will do it better.

[go25]

If the 30 was extended to irvington terminal does it mimic the 13T?

[qjtransitmaster]

If the 30 was extended to irvington terminal does it mimic the 13T?

It was intended to replace the 42 actually but good point It is a setup to modify the 5

[Mikan Wilhelm]

It was intended to replace the 42 actually but good point It is a setup to modify the 5

That sounds so confusing...

[Transitkid4608]

182 extend to montclair university via outwater ln and clifton ave timed with trains at clifton and plauderville if 705 gets axed then 182 can take on those ppl with a boost to 182 service. 191 gets improved to hourly times with 182. with 705 out 191 gets powered up. Not sure with this one.

30 extend to irvington bus terminal and replace 42.

Red: That's way too much changes just to send the 182 to MSU, furthermore its pointless because trains go to NYC from MSU.
Blue: As go25 stated earlier, there is no reason to extend the 30 to Irvington when the 13,25,GO25,37,39,70 and 96 can already take you to Penn Station from there.

[qjtransitmaster]

I concede with blue BUT red you don't get it. That combines 2 lines and creates a crosstown on outwater ln. PABT & GWB are 2 different places plus 182 serves much more than GWB last I checked it serves northeast hudson via links at ft lee. Also better links to other 700 lines that montclair line doesnt reach. 182 & boonton line serve vastly different areas.

[qjtransitmaster]

NJT beat me to it they want to split the 5 according to a bus study

[qjtransitmaster]

in simple terms cut 1 line extend another then powerup another if mapped you will understand my reasoning. Its not about a lines origin but how can the network link together.

another change reroute 451 to pennsahuken transit center via haddonfield rd north of patco. Duplicating patco is pointless.

[go25]

i also want to comment on some of the proposed cuts:

43: i am wondering how this route is lowly used. This is the only route that serves the Wal-Mart in Kearny and goes to both JC & NWK. the 40 should not be extended to that area but the 30 should on every houry trip *just suggesting*

62: this is the interesting one, since NJT wants branch off its service to better serve the NWK-Elizabeth corridor. Convert to a express route?

[Mikan Wilhelm]

i also want to comment on some of the proposed cuts:

43: i am wondering how this route is lowly used. This is the only route that serves the Wal-Mart in Kearny and goes to both JC & NWK. the 40 should not be extended to that area but the 30 should on every houry trip *just suggesting*

62: this is the interesting one, since NJT wants branch off its service to better serve the NWK-Elizabeth corridor. Convert to a express route?

the 30 doing hourly service to walmart would be good.

then again any service that can serve walmart other than the 43 would be great... well that's just me.

[Q23 Central Terminal]

Several Proposals
316: Seasonal Service discontinued. Several 551 buses however will make up for the loss
551: Service extended to Cape May 4 roundtrips a day during the Summer to replace 316
67: Discontinue
339: Service extended via 67 former routing to Toms River.
317: Extended to Red Bank via 832 routing, then 835 route to Sea Bright

[go25]

Several Proposals
316: Seasonal Service discontinued. Several 551 buses however will make up for the loss
551: Service extended to Cape May 4 roundtrips a day during the Summer to replace 316
67: Discontinue
339: Service extended via 67 former routing to Toms River.
317: Extended to Red Bank via 832 routing, then 835 route to Sea Bright

why on earth would they discontinue the 67??? thats my old alternate to the 62 & go28 to NWK airport. its the only route that serves Newark to go towards Toms River since NJCL trains dont go there

[Q23 Central Terminal]

why on earth would they discontinue the 67??? thats my old alternate to the 62 & go28 to NWK airport. its the only route that serves Newark to go towards Toms River since NJCL trains dont go there

I stated the 139 would replace it the whole way (except for part-time service)

[go25]

also on the 78: that route has been losing as time went by after the Secaucus Junction opened. how good was the service in Secaucus?

a new suggestion: change the go25 from rush hours service only to a almost 24 hour service to improve traffic and late buses on Springfield Ave

[go25]

I stated the 139 would replace it the whole way (except for part-time service)

it doesnt seem to work, in my opinion

[Shortline Bus]

I stated the 139 would replace it the whole way (except for part-time service)

You missing the point Q23. Since it seems you never been on it, the #67 provides the only 1-seat transit ride between Downtown Newark/Newark Airport and Old Bridge/Rt.9 coordior and Toms River. Why should those going between Newark and NJ shore have to backtrack to NYC and go to the PABT? Not to mention the #67 provides coverage on Rt.9 as a 2nd route when 139 is delayed on Manhattan trips.

It not the same to make proposals for bus ideas from a map or computer if you never been on it. Not meant to be rude but Q23 I think you should stick to NYC bus ideas.

[go25]

Anyone from Southern NJ care to chip in on proposals that NJT has thought of?

[B35 via Church]

- 551 to cape may ?? yeah right.... NJT is on the money with a commuter route b/w AC & Philly...... 551 & 553 are NJT's "money" routes out of AC.....
You're severely underestimating the 551's usage out of Avandale p&r.... Your idea would force NJT to dwindle service on the 552 for the sake of getting rid of a seasonal route..... No way would NJT extend a few 551's to cape may from AC AND have 552's running ~ every hour to cape may out of AC....

- discontinue the 67? what the hell..... How in the world would Newark (and EWR) riders get to/from route 9?
the 139 does NOTHING for those heading to/from Newark..... the 137 & the 319 out of PABT already go to toms river.... it's asinine to send another route out of PABT (139) to toms river in lieu of getting rid of the 67..... 139 got enough service patterns as it is.....

- 317 to sea bright via red bank? clearly you've never rode/drove along route 35 towards red bank.... and then you want to send another route to sea bright; for what..... You are adding another 60-75 mins to an already 4 hour long route.....

Edited by B35 via Church, 15 June 2012 - 04:16 PM.

[Shortline Bus]

- 551 to cape may ?? yeah right.... NJT is on the money with a commuter route b/w AC & Philly...... 551 & 553 are NJT's "money" routes out of AC.....
You're severely underestimating the 551's usage out of Avandale p&r.... Your idea would force NJT to dwindle service on the 552 for the sake of getting rid of a seasonal route..... No way would NJT extend a few 551's to cape may from AC AND have 552's running ~ every hour to cape may out of AC....

- discontinue the 67? what the hell..... How in the world would Newark (and EWR) riders get to/from route 9?
the 139 does NOTHING for those heading to/from Newark..... the 137 & the 319 out of PABT already go to toms river.... it's asinine to send another route out of PABT (139) to toms river in lieu of getting rid of the 67..... 139 got enough service patterns as it is.....

- 317 to sea bright via red bank? clearly you've never rode/drove along route 35 towards red bank.... and then you want to send another route to sea bright; for what..... You are adding another 60-75 mins to an already 4 hour long route.....

Bro(B35) and i thought i was tough on Q23 on replying to the #67. Q23 is a teen from Queens and seems to making all of these suggestions from reading a map from his computer lol.
And likely never been of any of the lines he proposing.


At least a good poster checkmate will ask questions while making route proposals even if never been on it.

[B35 via Church]

Speaking of the 139, can someone break down all the service patterns/ "short turns" that route has....
(I'm not talking about the separate 130, 132, 136, or 138 routes)