Why are their no mta buses or trains that travel across the Brooklyn Bridge

[Gotham Bus Co.]

I believe there is a weight limit on the Bridge that prohibits vehicles over a certain weight to use the roadway.

 

 

That was established in 1950, after the trolley cars and the BMT elevated trains were gone from the bridge.

[qjtransitmaster]

 

 

Makes sense for RTSs then since they are 10' 6". I wonder what the height limit on the bridge is then

 

actually RTS diesels are 9'10" tall basically physically you can't use express MCIs or prevosts over the bridge. Besides unless the downtown brooklyn route is going to yorkville or an area by fdr not near subway it will fail anyway. Ohh 2nd ave subway will make that bus route look redundant. Besides noone really cares if a bus doesn't use the brooklyn bridge subway has us covered.

[Eric B]

I think a quicker, direct route (the B51 went out of the way to Chinatown) might draw more riders.

[Fresh Pond]

actually RTS diesels are 9'10" tall basically physically you can't use express MCIs or prevosts over the bridge. Besides unless the downtown brooklyn route is going to yorkville or an area by fdr not near subway it will fail anyway. Ohh 2nd ave subway will make that bus route look redundant. Besides noone really cares if a bus doesn't use the brooklyn bridge subway has us covered.

 

 

All I posted was about the height of an RTS, where the hell you get all this other irrelevant crap from.

[AndrewJC]

I think a quicker, direct route (the B51 went out of the way to Chinatown) might draw more riders.

 

 

How many riders? Remember that a single IRT subway train carries 1,100 people at the rush hour guideline.

[qjtransitmaster]

 

 

All I posted was about the height of an RTS, where the hell you get all this other irrelevant crap from.

 

The height is actually 9"10'

[Eric B]

How many riders? Remember that a single IRT subway train carries 1,100 people at the rush hour guideline.

 

I meant more riders than the B51 or however little riders people fear such a route would draw. There are a lot of people would rather take a bus than the train, especially if it's not as crowded. (I used to work with one older lady, who could only use the B51. Good thing she retired before they cut it!)

[Fresh Pond]

The height is actually 9"10'

 

 

You completely avoided what was trying to say...all I stated was the height (which is in fact 10' 6") and you go on with this...

 

actually RTS diesels are 9'10" tall basically physically you can't use express MCIs or prevosts over the bridge. Besides unless the downtown brooklyn route is going to yorkville or an area by fdr not near subway it will fail anyway. Ohh 2nd ave subway will make that bus route look redundant. Besides noone really cares if a bus doesn't use the brooklyn bridge subway has us covered.

 

 

I did not ask for that crap...

[AndrewJC]

I meant more riders than the B51 or however little riders people fear such a route would draw. There are a lot of people would rather take a bus than the train, especially if it's not as crowded. (I used to work with one older lady, who could only use the B51. Good thing she retired before they cut it!)

 

 

The B51 carried 900 passengers per weekday (it didn't run weekends) before it was canceled. If reducing the travel time would generate a 20% ridership boost, the B51 would still carry less than one IRT trainload over the course of an entire day.

 

To put that number in perspective, I downloaded the 2007 cordon counts (the most recent that seem to be available, due to an outage of the NYMTC website). Open Appendix III and look at the bus and subway data. Over 24 hours, 516 passengers rode buses into Manhattan over the Manhattan Bridge. During that same time period, 177,959 passengers rode trains into Manhattan over the Manhattan Bridge, 114,317 entered via the Cranberry Tunnel, 67,423 entered via the Clark Tunnel, 31,471 entered via the Montague Tunnel, and 95,328 entered via the Joralemon Tunnel.

 

I would suggest that providing duplicative bus service to a relatively tiny number of riders is not a worthwhile expenditure of limited transit funds.

[Ivoblack84]

No commercial traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge!

[East New York]

The B51 carried 900 passengers per weekday (it didn't run weekends) before it was canceled. If reducing the travel time would generate a 20% ridership boost, the B51 would still carry less than one IRT trainload over the course of an entire day.

 

To put that number in perspective, I downloaded the 2007 cordon counts (the most recent that seem to be available, due to an outage of the NYMTC website). Open Appendix III and look at the bus and subway data. Over 24 hours, 516 passengers rode buses into Manhattan over the Manhattan Bridge. During that same time period, 177,959 passengers rode trains into Manhattan over the Manhattan Bridge, 114,317 entered via the Cranberry Tunnel, 67,423 entered via the Clark Tunnel, 31,471 entered via the Montague Tunnel, and 95,328 entered via the Joralemon Tunnel.

 

I would suggest that providing duplicative bus service to a relatively tiny number of riders is not a worthwhile expenditure of limited transit funds.

 

 

It really doesn't cost that much to send one or two buses back and forth over a bridge though. That's why they are bringing the B39 back.

[AndrewJC]

It really doesn't cost that much to send one or two buses back and forth over a bridge though. That's why they are bringing the B39 back.

 

 

The MTA saved $0.8 million annually by cutting the B51. That's a substantial chunk of change.

[kingal11234]

The MTA saved $0.8 million annually by cutting the B51. That's a substantial chunk of change.

 

The MTA saved $0.8 million annually by cutting the B51. That's a substantial chunk of change.

 

The MTA should have just combined the B51 with the B75. That would have been better than cutting the service

[FamousNYLover]

I would also think city officials will opposite rebuilt of historical landmark, Brooklyn Bridge and it will properly might join National Historic of Register Places to save the bridge.

[StevenFrancis]

Most likely because the Brooklyn Bridge is the oldest bridge in New York, and it isnt structurally fit for the weight of buses to be continually running across thats probably why the city stopped letting trains across the bridge and alsobecause the buses are too large for the buses to pass through and the roadway is full of potholes

[qjtransitmaster]

and guess what noone cares they use trains anyway.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

and guess what noone cares they use trains anyway.

 

lolwut.

 

There are still people who go out of the way to use cabs and taxis. Not everyone in Manhattan uses mass transit, maybe at least once.

[qjtransitmaster]

 

lolwut.

 

There are still people who go out of the way to use cabs and taxis. Not everyone in Manhattan uses mass transit, maybe at least once.

 

thats why I laugh at em when cabbie turns em down saying I ain't doing brooklyn. Again even if a bus used brooklyn bridge nobody would use it anyway. Especially since there are too many options.

[StevenFrancis]

Remember the Brooklyn Bridge is almost 130 years old, I'm still surprised that its still taking cars, plus there are bars over the roadways that set a height limit, so buses and trucks definitely cannot pass through, and either way they are too heavy for the structure, that could also be on the of the reasons why trains dont run there anymore either

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Remember the Brooklyn Bridge is almost 130 years old, I'm still surprised that its still taking cars, plus there are bars over the roadways that set a height limit, so buses and trucks definitely cannot pass through, and either way they are too heavy for the structure, that could also be on the of the reasons why trains dont run there anymore either

 

TRAINS would bring the wholestructure down

[qjtransitmaster]

kill this topic please. Again buses can't and do not need to use the brooklyn bridge period case closed.

[jgood6195]

Didn't they use RTS's on the bridge to round up OWS protesters?

[qjtransitmaster]

those buses are unique and are 9" 10 BUT those are the ONLY buses MTA has that can use brooklyn bridge. Others designline rest are too tall and make up the majority of their fleet.

[jgood6195]

those buses are unique and are 9" 10 BUT those are the ONLY buses MTA has that can use brooklyn bridge. Others designline rest are too tall and make up the majority of their fleet.

 

Can't they use Orion V diesels?

[qjtransitmaster]

Can't they use Orion V diesels?

 

don't know if those are short enough I think they are 10"5 or something besides no one will use a bus that uses the brooklyn bridge anyway so it is meaningless you remember B51 it was an absolute failure and is not missed. But I am not sure nor do I give a damn.