Brown (M), (V) and (W) making a comeback...

[Priincenene]

In an R143 Strip Map

 

UPDATED: Btw, saw this set twice! One day, and then the next day.

 

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[Priincenene]

Also caught this at Metropolitan Ave on

[realizm]

Looking at this closely it looks like vandalism. I mean the MTA just do not usually makes mistakes like this. I mean look at the stickers on the illuminated signs. One can see people are peeling off stickers to mislead. Not saying you queenspapi btw, you just happened to make the catch. But as of late many are either doing that or posting mock service advisories and its becoming a problem, so much that the MTA announced an initiate to stop this.

[MTA Bus]

Looking at this closely it looks like vandalism. I mean the MTA just do not usually makes mistakes like this. I mean look at the stickers on the illuminated signs. One can see people are peeling off stickers to mislead. Not saying you queenspapi btw, you just happened to make the catch. But as of late many are either doing that or posting mock service advisories and its becoming a problem, so much that the MTA announced an initiate to stop this.

Actually, about half of the R143s still have the pre June 2010 routes. I see at least one car with it everyday.

[realizm]

Actually, about half of the R143s still have the pre June 2010 routes. I see at least one car with it everyday.

 

I see that's a good point to bring out.

 

But yeah in general vandals are known to mess with the signs in and out of the cars in many cases. Maybe what we see here is an exception to the rule as far as the R143 stock. I believe some of the R142's have outdated stickers as well.

[Lance]

All of the line maps on the NTTs (the strip maps on the 142s and 143s, the FINDs on the 160s) are covered by a layer of clear plastic. The maps that show old transfers are only that way because the people who were supposed to update them missed them. It's nothing new considering all the times the MTA missed updating something. The older rollsigns on certain trains and long-since outdated announcements on the new techs are just a couple of examples.

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[realizm]

All of the line maps on the NTTs (the strip maps on the 142s and 143s, the FINDs on the 160s) are covered by a layer of clear plastic. The maps that show old transfers are only that way because the people who were supposed to update them missed them. It's nothing new considering all the times the MTA missed updating something. The older rollsigns on certain trains and long-since outdated announcements on the new techs are just a couple of examples.

 

Yes that's true, definitely. Some of the stripmaps are outdated, in many cases because of innocent oversight. But what I have observed is people who peel the stickers off and deliberately put it in other places. Same with the overhead signs in the station platforms and mezzanines. Really some who even mess with the rollsigns. On the rollsigns this is not good because this can get the train crews in hot water, those who operate the SMEE's.

 

I know that some even tried this on the R188's trying to peel away stickers on the stripmaps to reveal the 34th Street marking (Unsuccessfully). That's why I am suspicious over this. In the light of what has been happening within the last couple of years it makes one wonder sometimes.

[Minato ku]

All of the line maps on the NTTs (the strip maps on the 142s and 143s, the FINDs on the 160s) are covered by a layer of clear plastic. The maps that show old transfers are only that way because the people who were supposed to update them missed them. It's nothing new considering all the times the MTA missed updating something. The older rollsigns on certain trains and long-since outdated announcements on the new techs are just a couple of examples.

We have similar issue in Paris metro.

Instead of changing all the maps, they put stickers on it. It is not uncommon to find outdated maps in trains.

 

 

[Priincenene]

All true. I guess it's 50/50 that some vandalize and some crew don't update them. Another issue on an R142A Strip Map

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the (6!

[MHV9218]

Yes that's true, definitely. Some of the stripmaps are outdated, in many cases because of innocent oversight. But what I have observed is people who peel the stickers off and deliberately put it in other places. Same with the overhead signs in the station platforms and mezzanines. Really some who even mess with the rollsigns. On the rollsigns this is not good because this can get the train crews in hot water, those who operate the SMEE's.

 

I know that some even tried this on the R188's trying to peel away stickers on the stripmaps to reveal the 34th Street marking (Unsuccessfully). That's why I am suspicious over this. In the light of what has been happening within the last couple of years it makes one wonder sometimes.

 

While there is vandalism all around the system, I don't think vandalism is the reason for any of the strip map 'throwbacks' at all. You would have to physically remove the piece of plastic, stand up to the map, use a knife or something sharp to peel the sticker off, put the plastic back on, get off the bench you were standing on, and then return to your trip. I don't think anybody's doing that, even the most committed vandal. No, it's almost always just a mistake on the maintenance crew's part, as strip maps are low priority and there are thousands of them to maintain and replace the stickers of. In stations, that's a different picture, as signage is not nearly as well-protected. 

[Union Tpke]

Nice catches queenspapi!

[Priincenene]

Nice catches queenspapi!

Thanks!

One more thing.....

[Priincenene]

All of the line maps on the NTTs (the strip maps on the 142s and 143s, the FINDs on the 160s) are covered by a layer of clear plastic. The maps that show old transfers are only that way because the people who were supposed to update them missed them. It's nothing new considering all the times the MTA missed updating something. The older rollsigns on certain trains and long-since outdated announcements on the new techs are just a couple of examples.

 

 

I meant to put +1 not -1

[realizm]

While there is vandalism all around the system, I don't think vandalism is the reason for any of the strip map 'throwbacks' at all. You would have to physically remove the piece of plastic, stand up to the map, use a knife or something sharp to peel the sticker off, put the plastic back on, get off the bench you were standing on, and then return to your trip. I don't think anybody's doing that, even the most committed vandal. No, it's almost always just a mistake on the maintenance crew's part, as strip maps are low priority and there are thousands of them to maintain and replace the stickers of. In stations, that's a different picture, as signage is not nearly as well-protected. 

 

Well maybe we are both right then as I can see your point too. But in all seriousness I have seen vandals with the damage done completely ripping the strip maps on the IRT 142/142A's right off the overhhead face itself. 

Revealing only rows of leds.

[ACEVE14]

In an R143 Strip Map UPDATED: Btw, saw this set twice! One day, and then the next day. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

 

All true. I guess it's 50/50 that some vandalize and some crew don't update them. Another issue on an R142A Strip Map On the (6!

 

If only that were true man, if only that were true.

[Priincenene]

If only that were true man, if only that were true.

Yea same here! Thank you! I miss the old routes, I want the brown and the to comeback. The should of brought back the during Superstorm Sandy because the is only running until Whitehall like the old IN MANHATTAN. In Brooklyn, it only runs from Court St to Bay Ridge. All until Fall of this year.

 

The Brown should run its old route on Weekends and Late Nights (Bay Pkwy) because all the does is runs it's shuttle to Myrtle Av-Broadway. It could/will also help recover the by replacing it in Brooklyn (Sea Beach) to Bay Parkway (recovery route due to Superstorm Sandy!)

[JFK Depot]

I realize that they categorize line colors based on where they run in Manhattan...

That's why they changed the Brown M to Orange.. If the M went back to Bay Parkway then we can argue that they should change the color back to brown...

I think they could've revived the W and ran it on Queens Blvd... 71st Continental to Whitehall

The R could've been cut for the time being

[Priincenene]

I realize that they categorize line colors based on where they run in Manhattan...

That's why they changed the Brown M to Orange.. If the M went back to Bay Parkway then we can argue that they should change the color back to brown...

I think they could've revived the W and ran it on Queens Blvd... 71st Continental to Whitehall

The R could've been cut for the time being

That is correct. They should at least bring back the old BROWN route on wkends cuz the only runs to Myrtle Av on wkends/late nights that way the can run faster

[YankeesPwnMets]

Well maybe we are both right then as I can see your point too. But in all seriousness I have seen vandals with the damage done completely ripping the strip maps on the IRT 142/142A's right off the overhhead face itself. 

 

Revealing only rows of leds.

I actually saw that on a R142A train this past week. I thought it was just the getting rid of the maps for the impending R188 conversion but a vandal destroying the map could also make sense.