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Should We Abandon 138/GC? YES!


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Ive Always Felt This Stop Along The 4/5 Is just A waste of space and TIME! But Now As Normal Rider Of The 5 Line Ive really come to see what an annoyance it is...

 

1. Serves a rather desolate area above it

 

2. Bad Location...Under an Expressway

 

3. You can barely Find it from street level

 

4. The 4 Already Skips it in the peak rush

 

5. The Train Delays at rush hour are Rediculous

 

6. Has To Have the LOWEST ridership in the entire system easily... Especially weekends!

 

So With All This said I say ABANDON IT!

As for the residents who use it...They can use the VERY nearby 6 & <6>Which also is An Express stop! Now I realize This wont Totally eliminate delays but I do see a Significant drop! The issue seems to be my line...The 5.

Switchin over from 2/4 And Vice Versa.. and Not to mention ALL those F@$"$$" Timers! There in the station it self! I lose 15 minutes Easy on a daily basis from Jackson ave thru 125/Lex

 

So Should I Holla At The MTA About This or Nah? As if they wud really do it????????????????

 

 

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Ive Always Felt This Stop Along The 4/5 Is just A waste of space and TIME! But Now As Normal Rider Of The 5 Line Ive really come to see what an annoyance it is...

 

1. Serves a rather desolate area above it

 

2. Bad Location...Under an Expressway

 

3. You can barely Find it from street level

 

4. The 4 Already Skips it in the peak rush

 

5. The Train Delays at rush hour are Rediculous

 

6. Has To Have the LOWEST ridership in the entire system easily... Especially weekends!

 

So With All This said I say ABANDON IT!

As for the residents who use it...They can use the VERY nearby 6 & <6>Which also is An Express stop! Now I realize This wont Totally eliminate delays but I do see a Significant drop! The issue seems to be my line...The 5.

Switchin over from 2/4 And Vice Versa.. and Not to mention ALL those F@$"$$" Timers! There in the station it self! I lose 15 minutes Easy on a daily basis from Jackson ave thru 125/Lex

 

So Should I Holla At The MTA About This or Nah? As if they wud really do it

 

 

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Look, I understand what you mean, but you can't always get what you want. Whether you like it or not, 138 street- GC will stay.

 

The (4) skips it during the peak direction because the (5) is already there, and it's to give a faster ride towards the Jerome Avenue riders into Manhattan (in which there is far more demand than from White Plains Road).

 

138 doesn't have the lowest  ridership

 

It beats Bushwick Avenue (L) , Central Avenue (M) , Livonia Avenue (L) , and 101 other stations.

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I bet NIMBY want to shutdown 138 Street Grand Concourse station... I know it wont happened... If it were to shutdown ... I bet it will effect the Pelham Bay Riders on (6).... When sometimes for nor reason in Late Night or Weekend G.O . when (6) run in 2 section that (6) run between Pelham Bay Park to 125 Street & 125 Street to Brooklyn Bridge....

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It'll stay open because IF that part of the South Bronx revitalizes itself (and that's a big if LOL) I could see that stop becoming popular, but for now there is nothing there but run down car repair shots and car washes, not to mention the ghetto types hanging around the station.  I pass by there on the BxM4 express bus on weekends on my way to tutoring sessions and have noticed the same thing...

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It'll stay open because IF that part of the South Bronx revitalizes itself (and that's a big if LOL) I could see that stop becoming popular, but for now there is nothing there but run down car repair shots and car washes, not to mention the ghetto types hanging around the station.  I pass by there on the BxM4 express bus on weekends on my way to tutoring sessions and have noticed the same thing...

 

I mean, it's beating out some of the stations on the (L), and it even has its own realty nickname now.

 

Any person who seriously says "SoBro" to refer to the South Bronx is no friend of mine...

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I mean, it's beating out some of the stations on the (L), and it even has its own realty nickname now.

 

Any person who seriously says "SoBro" to refer to the South Bronx is no friend of mine...

Seems like plenty of people do it though... "SoBro" that is...  I am curious though... Why did they build a station there anyway? Was there ever any residential areas there or did it ever serve as a busy station?

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If the station were to shut down you'd still have the same delays merging trains there in the morning.

 

The station being there actually helps with commuter anxiety because better for the 5 train to be sitting in the station waiting for the 4 to cross ahead of it than sitting in the middle of a tunnel.

 

And people do use it. To not have it would mean an entire area of the south Bronx would be very hard to reach since you'd have to take the 6 to 138th and 3rd Ave. instead.

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If the station were to shut down you'd still have the same delays merging trains there in the morning.

 

The station being there actually helps with commuter anxiety because better for the 5 train to be sitting in the station waiting for the 4 to cross ahead of it than sitting in the middle of a tunnel.

 

And people do use it. To not have it would mean an entire area of the south Bronx would be very hard to reach since you'd have to take the 6 to 138th and 3rd Ave. instead.

Yes, people do use it, but not heavily though... That's the point... It almost seems like an afterthought, hence my previous question...

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and it's to give a faster ride towards the Jerome Avenue riders into Manhattan (in which there is far more demand than from White Plains Road).

 

Of course not. Skipping one single stop doesn't mean a "faster" ride. It's for the reasons that SubwayGuy previously stated. Anywho, the (5) is slightly less crowded than the (4), because it runs express between E180 and 3 Av-149 in the reverse peak direction. Both the (2) and (4) are more useful because they make every stop in their Bronx branches, the stations with the most ridership.

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Seems like plenty of people do it though... "SoBro" that is...  I am curious though... Why did they build a station there anyway? Was there ever any residential areas there or did it ever serve as a busy station?

The original station name was 138th St-Mott Haven and it was built because of the New York Central railroad station and the Mott Haven railroad yard located nearby. The neighborhood was an upscale place at one time. Doctors, lawyers, and the like.The housing projects and the like came much later from what I've read over the years.

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The station ranks 364th in ridership out of 421 - clearly not one of the busiest, but quite a few stations see less traffic.

 

The 6 train is about a 5 minute walk away but is of no use to anyone headed to the Jerome or White Plains Road line (or to the West Side, via 149th St. to the 2 or 161st St. to the B/D).

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FWIW after re-reading the OP it appears that someone wants to speed up his commute at the expense of the people who actually reside in Mott Haven. Pretty selfish thinking, IMO. IIRC he wanted to halve the (5) service to Dyre Avenue to run more trains on the White Plains Road segment. Sad, just sad. Carry on.

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FWIW after re-reading the OP it appears that someone wants to speed up his commute at the expense of the people who actually reside in Mott Haven. Pretty selfish thinking, IMO. IIRC he wanted to halve the (5) service to Dyre Avenue to run more trains on the White Plains Road segment. Sad, just sad. Carry on.

Reminds me elsewhere of ONE person (on another board) who was angry about the (M) merging with the (V) a number of years back because it eliminated HIS being able to get a seat on the (V) at 2nd Avenue.

 

I suspect 138th-Mott Haven on the (4) and (5) is going to become a much more important station in the future.  As places to build up in Manhattan become more and more scarce and rents continue to rise, I can see where that part of The Bronx (very close to Manhattan) can become much more important and suddenly that area along the Grand Concourse becomes the next area to get built up.

 

So there is no way I see that station closing anytime soon.

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Reminds me elsewhere of ONE person (on another board) who was angry about the (M) merging with the (V) a number of years back because it eliminated HIS being able to get a seat on the (V) at 2nd Avenue.

 

Dead ass? Lmao. Those who refused to ride the new (M) just because it's not a (V) is even far worse.

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The original station name was 138th St-Mott Haven and it was built because of the New York Central railroad station and the Mott Haven railroad yard located nearby. The neighborhood was an upscale place at one time. Doctors, lawyers, and the like.The housing projects and the like came much later from what I've read over the years.

LMAO... That is some serious flight then... To go from upscale to what it is now... There doesn't seem to be any housing construction in the immediate vicinity in the works either, so I expect that set up to remain the same.

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Dead ass? Lmao. Those who refused to ride the new (M) just because it's not a (V) is even far worse.

There was one on this site too (might be the same person, went by the name of 33rd St I here). It got to the point where he blocked me on Facebook years ago because I supported the new (M)

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LMAO... That is some serious flight then... To go from upscale to what it is now... There doesn't seem to be any housing construction in the immediate vicinity in the works either, so I expect that set up to remain the same.

 

There was a lot of flight out of the Bronx creating the "bad neighborhoods" of today. Same goes for many neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

 

Eastchester/Wakefield/Edenwald/South Bronx were once desired areas, as was Norwood and even Inwood in Manhattan. You are starting to see some of these areas begin to improve as people are priced out of other areas.

 

Housing projects, drug addiction, and crime were major threats that created flight. After flight, the neighborhood left is a shallow of itself and that's when the homeless and deadbeats come in and take over, because the people left either don't take care of their things, or are unwilling to raise the fuss needed with public officials to keep it cleaned up.

 

However, skyrocketing Manhattan rents are ultimately unsustainable, and it will be quite interesting to see what happens when people finally wise up and realize paying $2500 to live in a closet with a gym that you share with 500 other people in a not-very-fire-safe glass skyscraper is not actually worth it, and begin moving to and improving some of these areas in the outer boroughs that promise much more living space at a fraction of the cost, and actually are pretty safe.

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Yeah, how about no? 138 St-Grand Concourse gets its fair share of riders and closing this station would force them over to the much busier 3 Av Pelham station.

Seems like plenty of people do it though... "SoBro" that is...  I am curious though... Why did they build a station there anyway? Was there ever any residential areas there or did it ever serve as a busy station?

There used to be a railroad station at 138th Street on the New York Central Railroad (the predecessor to Metro-North) that was closed sometime in the mid-20th century.

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Yeah, how about no? 138 St-Grand Concourse gets its fair share of riders and closing this station would force them over to the much busier 3 Av Pelham station.

There used to be a railroad station at 138th Street on the New York Central Railroad (the predecessor to Metro-North) that was closed sometime in the mid-20th century.

 

 

There was a lot of flight out of the Bronx creating the "bad neighborhoods" of today. Same goes for many neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

 

Eastchester/Wakefield/Edenwald/South Bronx were once desired areas, as was Norwood and even Inwood in Manhattan. You are starting to see some of these areas begin to improve as people are priced out of other areas.

 

Housing projects, drug addiction, and crime were major threats that created flight. After flight, the neighborhood left is a shallow of itself and that's when the homeless and deadbeats come in and take over, because the people left either don't take care of their things, or are unwilling to raise the fuss needed with public officials to keep it cleaned up.

 

However, skyrocketing Manhattan rents are ultimately unsustainable, and it will be quite interesting to see what happens when people finally wise up and realize paying $2500 to live in a closet with a gym that you share with 500 other people in a not-very-fire-safe glass skyscraper is not actually worth it, and begin moving to and improving some of these areas in the outer boroughs that promise much more living space at a fraction of the cost, and actually are pretty safe.

Do either of you know if there was housing in the immediate area of the station though or was housing always closer to a bus that serves the area? It seems like there is nothing there but auto shops and vacant lots for the most part.  Just seems strange for that reason to have a station there.

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Nah, the area's mostly industrial like you reported. The nearest housing projects are closer to the 3 Av station than the Grand Concourse one. Like I said, this station was built as a connection to the Metro-North predecessor, NY Central Railroad, which had a station there. As to why the subway station outlasted the now-defunct railroad one, I'm not sure.

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