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By VERENA DOBNIK

— Jul. 27, 2014 11:48 AM EDT

NEW YORK (AP) — At the nation's busiest bus station, winding lines of riders wait amid cracked floors, crumbling ceiling tiles and a wheezing air-conditioning system helped along by old-fashioned floor fans.

Dark corridors of Manhattan's aging Port Authority Bus Terminal are populated by homeless men and women, and the sweet smell of warm pretzels from rows of food stalls mixes with an occasional whiff of urine.

After a recent test ride from the New Jersey suburbs, the Port Authority's new chairman, John Degnan, offered a one-word review: "Unacceptable."

While public attention and money is finally turning to improving LaGuardia Airport and the Penn Station rail hub — two other rundown, overcrowded New York transportation centers — the 64-year-old bus terminal has lurked under the radar for decades, seemingly stuck in a sad time warp.

A statue out front of a grinning Ralph Kramden, Jackie Gleason's bus driver character in "The Honeymooners" sitcom from the 1950s, only serves to underscore the impression.

"It's the neglected stepchild of New York's transportation system, allowed to decline for decades," says Mitchell Moss, a New York University professor of urban policy and planning.

Port Authority commissioners have acknowledged for years that the terminal needs to be replaced, but that project — estimated to cost at least $1 billion — could be as far as a decade away for the behemoth agency that already faces financial and political woes.

Until then, commissioners this past week approved an extra $90 million for an improvement plan that will include fixes to floors and ceilings, better cellphone service, cleaner restrooms and more street-level bus gates — a patchwork that Port Authority Vice Chairman Scott Rechler acknowledged is "sort of like putting lipstick on a pig."

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By VERENA DOBNIK

 

— Jul. 27, 2014 11:48 AM EDT

 

NEW YORK (AP) — At the nation's busiest bus station, winding lines of riders wait amid cracked floors, crumbling ceiling tiles and a wheezing air-conditioning system helped along by old-fashioned floor fans.

 

Dark corridors of Manhattan's aging Port Authority Bus Terminal are populated by homeless men and women, and the sweet smell of warm pretzels from rows of food stalls mixes with an occasional whiff of urine.

 

After a recent test ride from the New Jersey suburbs, the Port Authority's new chairman, John Degnan, offered a one-word review: "Unacceptable."

 

While public attention and money is finally turning to improving LaGuardia Airport and the Penn Station rail hub — two other rundown, overcrowded New York transportation centers — the 64-year-old bus terminal has lurked under the radar for decades, seemingly stuck in a sad time warp.

 

A statue out front of a grinning Ralph Kramden, Jackie Gleason's bus driver character in "The Honeymooners" sitcom from the 1950s, only serves to underscore the impression.

 

"It's the neglected stepchild of New York's transportation system, allowed to decline for decades," says Mitchell Moss, a New York University professor of urban policy and planning.

 

Port Authority commissioners have acknowledged for years that the terminal needs to be replaced, but that project — estimated to cost at least $1 billion — could be as far as a decade away for the behemoth agency that already faces financial and political woes.

 

Until then, commissioners this past week approved an extra $90 million for an improvement plan that will include fixes to floors and ceilings, better cellphone service, cleaner restrooms and more street-level bus gates — a patchwork that Port Authority Vice Chairman Scott Rechler acknowledged is "sort of like putting lipstick on a pig."

 

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Question where would they put a new terminal? They can't close down the the old one to rebuild where would the buses go in the mean time?

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Question where would they put a new terminal? They can't close down the the old one to rebuild where would the buses go in the mean time?

 

Researching this further now. From what I understand so far, a transit environmental study dubbed 'The Master Plan' is in the works to determine if this is feasible. Factored in are issues having to do with the growth of interstate travel, impacts on traffic patterns such as with idling buses on local streets, and ways to secure finding to ensure the completion of the PABT replacement if this is feasible. The study will cost $5.5 million to fund and approximately 18 months to complete and submit.

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Researching this further now. From what I understand so far, a transit environmental study dubbed 'The Master Plan' is in the works to determine if this is feasible. Factored in are issues having to do with the growth of interstate travel, impacts on traffic patterns such as with idling buses on local streets, and ways to secure finding to ensure the completion of the PABT replacement if this is feasible. The study will cost $5.5 million to fund and approximately 18 months to complete and submit.

By the time they actually have a new terminal, I'll have one foot in the grave....

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LOL... If they're going to spend $90 million dollars to spruce up the place, they may want to deal with the homeless problem in there first, otherwise it will be a waste of money.  I have avoided their bathrooms for years because it's so filthy in there with men washing up and so on that the hygiene situation is just unbearable.  I can't imagine what it's like now... They also should consider redoing the layout of that place.... It's like an obstacle course to get the express buses to go to the Garden State Plaza or anywhere else in New Jersey. Certainly must deter folks from shopping... I know I don't go as often now....

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LOL... If they're going to spend $90 million dollars to spruce up the place, they may want to deal with the homeless problem in there first, otherwise it will be a waste of money.  I have avoided their bathrooms for years because it's so filthy in there with men washing up and so on that the hygiene situation is just unbearable.  I can't imagine what it's like now... They also should consider redoing the layout of that place.... It's like an obstacle course to get the express buses to go to the Garden State Plaza or anywhere else in New Jersey. Certainly must deter folks from shopping... I know I don't go as often now....

you got to get used to it.

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LOL... If they're going to spend $90 million dollars to spruce up the place, they may want to deal with the homeless problem in there first, otherwise it will be a waste of money.  I have avoided their bathrooms for years because it's so filthy in there with men washing up and so on that the hygiene situation is just unbearable.  I can't imagine what it's like now... They also should consider redoing the layout of that place.... It's like an obstacle course to get the express buses to go to the Garden State Plaza or anywhere else in New Jersey. Certainly must deter folks from shopping... I know I don't go as often now....

Thats a tough situation to handle and part of an almost insurmountable problem at this point. The Port Authority should have a initiative in place similar to the MTA to provide the homeless needed services so they will not have to loiter in the terminal.

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Thats a tough situation to handle and part of an almost insurmountable problem at this point. The Port Authority should have a initiative in place similar to the MTA to provide the homeless needed services so they will not have to loiter in the terminal.

They do. PAPD officers walk around with these "homeless outreach" people to offer services. Thing is even the PAPD can't force them to accept them or out of the terminal. What they should do is step up PAPD presence in the bathrooms where shaving/bathing/changing isn't allowed to enforce that.
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