Javier Posted November 23, 2014 Share #1 Posted November 23, 2014 Okay, as a Yonkers commuter, I always take the Bee-Line bus to Woodlawn and 242 Street. The thing is, there is NO express service. The always runs local, why was there never a express service for the ? Bronx residents would love to catch a express train to Manhattan. And the ? Why is there no (8) express train for it? The middle track isnt being used for anything unless theres a G.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted November 23, 2014 Share #2 Posted November 23, 2014 if i am not mistaken didn't the have limited express service to manhattan in the AM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted November 23, 2014 Share #3 Posted November 23, 2014 There was the that used to run Skip-stop service with the until May 2005 and it's been brought up several times why the former was eliminated. @Bre: That was a pilot program or something like that, but it didn't work due to many important stops being skipped. You guys need to understand that express service just won't work in certain areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted November 23, 2014 There was a ? Why was it eliminated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted November 23, 2014 Share #5 Posted November 23, 2014 There was a ? Why was it eliminated? it was a useless skip stop service that operated from 6:30 AM on Monday, August 21, 1989 to May 27, 2005. Midday skip-stop service was discontinued in 1994, but remained during peak hours. Skip-stop service operate north of 137th Street. By this time, skip-stop service assigned the following stations to the 1 train only: 238th Street 215th Street Dyckman Street 157th Street and the following stations to the 9 train only: Marble Hill – 225th Street 207th Street 145th Street Okay, as a Yonkers commuter, I always take the Bee-Line bus to Woodlawn and 242 Street. The thing is, there is NO express service. The always runs local, why was there never a express service for the ? Bronx residents would love to catch a express train to Manhattan. And the ? Why is there no (8) express train for it? The middle track isnt being used for anything unless theres a G.O. That service would run empty as the only station with a middle platform is 242 St and therefore would be useless. Okay, as a Yonkers commuter, I always take the Bee-Line bus to Woodlawn and 242 Street. The thing is, there is NO express service. The always runs local, why was there never a express service for the ? Bronx residents would love to catch a express train to Manhattan. And the ? Why is there no (8) express train for it? The middle track isnt being used for anything unless theres a G.O. the 8 designation would be saved for the Pelham Express Additional numbers have been added to R-62A signs in case of additional routings or redesignations of certain lines. = through express = express #2 to New Lots #3 to Flatbush There have also been reports of a #14 and #15. One of these might be a #4 to Flatbush. Also, they tested the Jerome Ave Express during 2009 it the test didn't work. There was the that used to run Skip-stop service with the until May 2005 and it's been brought up several times why the former was eliminated. @Bre: That was a pilot program or something like that, but it didn't work due to many important stops being skipped. You guys need to understand that express service just won't work in certain areas. Precisely if i am not mistaken didn't the have limited express service to manhattan in the AM? There are several trains in the PM rush hour that short turn at Burnside Ave. These trains operate via the express track between 167th Street and Burnside Ave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 23, 2014 Share #6 Posted November 23, 2014 There was a ? Why was it eliminated? Because the / skip-stop was almost entirely local - both of which only skipped 3 stops (6 stops total) respectively. It saved no time at all, and the local stations have pretty heavy ridership on the upper Bway-7 Av line compared to the ones on the lower Bway-7 Av line. Mind you, the , like the , have never been considered a seperate line from their identical variants by the , nor will they ever anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 23, 2014 Share #7 Posted November 23, 2014 Middle tracks don't exist solely for express service. How many times does that have to be said? I swear, it's like someone sees an unused track and decides it must be used, regardless of any negative impact or complete uselessness. In regards to the lack of express service on the Upper Broadway line, that's because there simply isn't any demand for it. Besides, even if there was, the track layout (the mergers to two tracks) put a limit to any potential express service since the express trains would have to merge with the locals. if i am not mistaken didn't the have limited express service to manhattan in the AM? Yeah. There were two pilot programs back in 2009 where four 4 trains ran express in the Bronx, making stops at Mosholu Pkwy, Bedford Park*, Burnside Av and 149 St. They both failed because, while the trains were less crowded upon entering Manhattan, that's mainly because the trains skipped the busier stops like Fordham Rd and 161 St. *added in second pilot program There was a ? Why was it eliminated? Low ridership and a changing ridership patterns. Unlike the J/Z skip-stop, where most riders are taking the trains directly to Manhattan (or at least an all-trains stop where riders can transfer to other lines), riders were taking 1 trains to 9 stops and vice versa. More so in the 9's later years. To minimize these kinds of transfers, the 9 was eliminated in favor or more frequent local service. Besides, the 9's service hours were reduced significantly over the years. From being a line that ran during the normal weekday hours when it began in 1989, it was reduced to a rush hours only line at the end of its life. @Union Tpke: While those were the plans for the double numbered routes, there's nothing preventing them from being used for other routes, especially in the age of digital signage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 23, 2014 Share #8 Posted November 23, 2014 Damn you Union Tpke beating me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted November 23, 2014 Share #9 Posted November 23, 2014 I would like to nominate Lance for post of the year. You hit the nail on the head; people see under used tracks and demand they be put into service. What the OP is doing can be seen as selfish. He's demanding that some passengers get less service so he can have a quicker ride. "As a Yonkers commuter" suddenly entitles you to express NYC Subway service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted November 23, 2014 I got the part, the was totally useless, but the is the main problem. Someone explain to me what are pilot programs? @Karmen Im not trying to get in anyones way its just that I work in Manhattan and It would be nice to have a Express to Manhattan. Its not like Im demanding for a random train to skip popular stops. I aint trying to be selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxBombers Posted November 23, 2014 Share #11 Posted November 23, 2014 I got the part, the was totally useless, but the is the main problem. Someone explain to me what are pilot programs? @Karmen Im not trying to get in anyones way its just that I work in Manhattan and It would be nice to have a Express to Manhattan. Its not like Im demanding for a random train to skip popular stops. I aint trying to be selfish. Well the is pretty quick into Manhattan. It's just a 15-20 minute ride into Manhattan from Woodlawn. Same goes for the . Even though it may seem like a lot of stops north of 96th Street it's really fast. If you really want to get to Manhattan quicker take an express bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted November 23, 2014 What is the express bus called? BXM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted November 23, 2014 Share #13 Posted November 23, 2014 What is the express bus called? BXM? out of Getty Sq? yeah, the BxM3.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 23, 2014 Share #14 Posted November 23, 2014 I got the part, the was totally useless, but the is the main problem. Someone explain to me what are pilot programs? @Karmen Im not trying to get in anyones way its just that I work in Manhattan and It would be nice to have a Express to Manhattan. Its not like Im demanding for a random train to skip popular stops. I aint trying to be selfish. A pilot program is basically a test run, usually about six months long, to test how service changes will actually perform over a period of time. The express was tried out and failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted November 23, 2014 Share #15 Posted November 23, 2014 Or you can take Metro North for express service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 23, 2014 Share #16 Posted November 23, 2014 I got the part, the was totally useless, but the is the main problem. Someone explain to me what are pilot programs? @Karmen Im not trying to get in anyones way its just that I work in Manhattan and It would be nice to have a Express to Manhattan. Its not like Im demanding for a random train to skip popular stops. I aint trying to be selfish. You live in Westchester... Use Metro-North! People who live outside of NYC aren't entitled to improved city services. Surely you must have access to either the Harlem line or the Hudson line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share #17 Posted November 23, 2014 I use Metro North all the Time, but then theres express service THERE that gets on my nerves. I sit at Yonkers station waiting for my train as 5 express trains pass me every 15 Minutes. And another thing is the fare, which is $8.50 to Grand Sqaure. I always get off at Marble Hill since Metro North connects there. Which is more faster? Bee-Line bus to Woodlawn/242 Street then use Subway to Grand Central? MetroNorth to Grand Central? BXM3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted November 23, 2014 Share #18 Posted November 23, 2014 I got the part, the was totally useless, but the is the main problem. Someone explain to me what are pilot programs? @Karmen Im not trying to get in anyones way its just that I work in Manhattan and It would be nice to have a Express to Manhattan. Its not like Im demanding for a random train to skip popular stops. I aint trying to be selfish. Actually, you kind of are. On the and in the Bronx, the busiest stops are local stops, and that's why express service doesn't really work out. Let's look at the ridership statistics: Average weekday ridership for 4 line stops in the Bronx in 2013, in order: 161 St - 26,972* (local stop; some of the people getting on the stop are getting on the , but the ridership is still very high) 149 St - 14,380* (express stop, but, keep in mind the and also stop here, so ridership is a lot lower than 14,000. If we're just talking about the , it should be lower down on the list) Fordham Rd - 12, 558 - local stop Burnside Av - 11,560 - express stop Kingsbridge Rd - 10,431- local stop 167 St - 9,904 - local stop Mosholu Pkwy - 9,588 - local stop, but could be an express stop 170 St - 9,525 - local stop Woodlawn - 7,776 - express stop Notice how the busiest stops are generally all local stops? A full-blown express would deprive those local stops of service. It's really unfortunate that the express track doesn't serve the busiest stops but the line was built almost 100 years ago, and demographics change over time. The is the same deal. I won't list the figures for brevity, but the busiest stops are generally local stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 23, 2014 Share #19 Posted November 23, 2014 I use Metro North all the Time, but then theres express service THERE that gets on my nerves. I sit at Yonkers station waiting for my train as 5 express trains pass me every 15 Minutes. And another thing is the fare, which is $8.50 to Grand Sqaure. I always get off at Marble Hill since Metro North connects there. Which is more faster? Bee-Line bus to Woodlawn/242 Street then use Subway to Grand Central? MetroNorth to Grand Central? BXM3? So, because you get inconvenienced by express trains on Metro-North, you want to save money and shaft people who live in the city and use the by having express trains skip their local stops, despite the fact that you should have no say in the matter since, you know, you don't actually live there. Sometimes the cognitive dissonance on this forum is mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConcourseExp Posted November 23, 2014 Share #20 Posted November 23, 2014 Actually, you kind of are. On the and in the Bronx, the busiest stops are local stops, and that's why express service doesn't really work out. Let's look at the ridership statistics: Average weekday ridership for 4 line stops in the Bronx in 2013, in order: 161 St - 26,972* (local stop; some of the people getting on the stop are getting on the , but the ridership is still very high) 149 St - 14,380* (express stop, but, keep in mind the and also stop here, so ridership is a lot lower than 14,000. If we're just talking about the , it should be lower down on the list) Fordham Rd - 12, 558 - local stop Burnside Av - 11,560 - express stop Kingsbridge Rd - 10,431- local stop 167 St - 9,904 - local stop Mosholu Pkwy - 9,588 - local stop, but could be an express stop 170 St - 9,525 - local stop Woodlawn - 7,776 - express stop Notice how the busiest stops are generally all local stops? A full-blown express would deprive those local stops of service. It's really unfortunate that the express track doesn't serve the busiest stops but the line was built almost 100 years ago, and demographics change over time. The is the same deal. I won't list the figures for brevity, but the busiest stops are generally local stops. What happened to Mount Eden Avenue and Bedford Park Blvd? So, because you get inconvenienced by express trains on Metro-North, you want to save money and shaft people who live in the city and use the by having express trains skip their local stops, despite the fact that you should have no say in the matter since, you know, you don't actually live there. Sometimes the cognitive dissonance on this forum is mind boggling. Out of curiosity, does anyone think that if the line had some work or construction going on, could the BXM3 or the be able to take all these people to where they need to go? I usually just take the BX9 from Kingsbridge Road to Marble Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted November 23, 2014 Share #21 Posted November 23, 2014 if i am not mistaken didn't the have limited express service to manhattan in the AM? It skips 138 St-CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted November 23, 2014 Share #22 Posted November 23, 2014 What happened to Mount Eden Avenue and Bedford Park Blvd? I didn't include Mount Eden Av, Bedford Park Bl, 176 St and 183 St because those stations have the lowest ridership on the line (5,000-6,000 people per weekday). My point is, as long as the busiest stations on the line are mostly local stations, express service won't be beneficial to the line as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted November 23, 2014 Share #23 Posted November 23, 2014 I got the part, the was totally useless, but the is the main problem. Someone explain to me what are pilot programs? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pilot+programs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 23, 2014 Share #24 Posted November 23, 2014 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pilot+programs LOL! Nice one! Man, some people just don't do research nowdays. Instead, they gotta ask such stupid questions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted November 23, 2014 Share #25 Posted November 23, 2014 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pilot+programs LMFAO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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