Why no bus service over the Brooklyn Bridge?

[1995 Orion V CNG]

Is there a reason why no bus line go over the Brooklyn bridge? I always wondered this. Personally, I could see the B103 getting extended to city hall over the bridge. 

[Fresh Pond]

Height and weight restrictions...

[MysteriousBtrain]

It's likely because there is no need for a bus to go on the Brooklyn Bridge. There is a subway for people who would use City Hall service. The B51 was a route using the Manhattan Bridge that ran between City Hall and Downtown Brooklyn, but discontinued due to budget cuts and low ridership.

[B35 via Church]

Height and weight restrictions...

/thread

 

It is that simple.

[1995 Orion V CNG]

Height and weight restrictions...

Can a C40LF fit on the bridge?

[FamousNYLover]

I don't think city or school buses not allowed but I remember from one of youtube video, school bus drivers violating weight restriction, including white school bus with front door open.

[1995 Orion V CNG]

I don't think city or school buses not allowed but I remember from one of youtube video, school bus drivers violating weight restriction, including white school bus with front door open.

Not true, they drove some RTS's on the bridge back in 2011 for OWS. 

[NYSubwayBuff]

I remember when the Orion CNGS were in SC the battery tunnel was closed one weekend and the buses used brooklyn bridge

[1995 Orion V CNG]

I remember when the Orion CNGS were in SC the battery tunnel was closed one weekend and the buses used brooklyn bridge

Really? 

[NYSubwayBuff]

Yeah I remember cause i was driving with my dad behind one and my dad saw the CNG sticker and said we gotta stay away from this bus it might explode and me being younger at that time, that scared the living shit out of me

[1995 Orion V CNG]

Yeah I remember cause i was driving with my dad behind one and my dad saw the CNG sticker and said we gotta stay away from this bus it might explode and me being younger at that time, that scared the living shit out of me

Was this like 10 years ago or something? 

[Fresh Pond]

Can a C40LF fit on the bridge?

There's an 8,000 lb weight restriction, and a 10' height restriction on the bridge. The C40 is 11' 4" and is well over 8,000 lbs.

 

We had a thread about this ages ago that turned into multiple pages of nonsense and it got locked.

 

You're not gonna see a bus on the bridge, end of discussion

[YankeesPwnMets]

It's likely because there is no need for a bus to go on the Brooklyn Bridge. There is a subway for people who would use City Hall service. The B51 was a route using the Manhattan Bridge that ran between City Hall and Downtown Brooklyn, but discontinued due to budget cuts and low ridership.

Is there a reason why they brought back the B39 but not the B51?

[Quill Depot]

Is there a reason why they brought back the B39 but not the B51?

 

This might be because Delancey-Essex is not ADA accessible, however the stops the B51 ran in the vicinity of are, such as Canal St, Jay St-Metro Tech, and Boro Hall, 

[Eric B]

I always said they should use mini-buses then.

It is a more direct route to City Hall, and so would probably do better that the B51.

 

And also, they actually did consider adding regular buses to the bridge in the old East River Crossings Manhattan Bridge [train] Alternatives study, but it would require modification of “certain ramps”, and it was dropped in favor of the cheaper alternative of a bus-only lane on the Manhattan Bridge.

[1995 Orion V CNG]

I always said they should use mini-buses then.

It is a more direct route to City Hall, and so would probably do better that the B51.

 

And also, they actually did consider adding regular buses to the bridge in the old East River Crossings Manhattan Bridge [train] Alternatives study, but it would require modification of “certain ramps”, and it was dropped in favor of the cheaper alternative of a bus-only lane on the Manhattan Bridge.

What, like New Flyer MIDIs?

[Eric B]

If that passes the weight and any height restrictions, then sure; though I was assuming cutaways more. (If didn't want to run those, then I would see something like maybe even contracting Access-A-ride to run the route with some of their vans).

Or something like a Brevia, which is about the size of a cutaway, but looks just like an RTS, to fit in with more of the fleet.

[qjtransitmaster]

Look demand doesn't exist for any Brooklyn bridge bus route end of story drop it guys.

 

Is there a reason why no bus line go over the Brooklyn bridge? I always wondered this. Personally, I could see the B103 getting extended to city hall over the bridge.

 

simple no demand.

[bobtehpanda]

If that passes the weight and any height restrictions, then sure; though I was assuming cutaways more. (If didn't want to run those, then I would see something like maybe even contracting Access-A-ride to run the route with some of their vans).

Or something like a Brevia, which is about the size of a cutaway, but looks just like an RTS, to fit in with more of the fleet.

 

It would be very expensive for the MTA to operate a fleet of mini-buses that would have no use elsewhere and would operate with full-time BOs (and whether or not union contracts allow operating this sort of bus is actually a good question).

 

If there were demand for such a bus, there would probably be one similar to the Downtown Connection buses (since both Lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn have a BID, and the Downtown Connection buses are run by the Lower Manhattan one anyways). There's not really a reason to have one though; it's not a particularly bad walk, both areas are covered in CitiBike stations, and there's not a need for disabled people to use it since nearby subway stations in the respective areas are wheelchair accessible.

 

Isn't the MTA trying to shave costs with Access-a-Ride because it's too expensive to provide, and it's actually cheaper to just pay for taxi vouchers? Using Access-a-Ride would be extremely expensive.

[1995 Orion V CNG]

It would be very expensive for the MTA to operate a fleet of mini-buses that would have no use elsewhere and would operate with full-time BOs (and whether or not union contracts allow operating this sort of bus is actually a good question).

 

If there were demand for such a bus, there would probably be one similar to the Downtown Connection buses (since both Lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn have a BID, and the Downtown Connection buses are run by the Lower Manhattan one anyways). There's not really a reason to have one though; it's not a particularly bad walk, both areas are covered in CitiBike stations, and there's not a need for disabled people to use it since nearby subway stations in the respective areas are wheelchair accessible.

 Yeah, that's what I think too. I mean, the only route that could us them would be like the B39, B42, B74. Lines like those. 

[Cait Sith]

Look demand doesn't exist for any Brooklyn bridge bus route end of story drop it guys.

simple no demand.

 

You clearly missed the point of the thread, however. It had nothing to do with demand.

[Express Bus Operator]

Yeah, that's what I think too. I mean, the only route that could us them would be like the B39, B42, B74. Lines like those.

The B42 doesn't reach no where near the other side of Brooklyn. It runs as a shuttle transfer from the Rockaway L train station to The Canarsie Pier as its last stop. The B39 cross the Williamsburg Bridge to downtown Manhattan.

[Express Bus Operator]

The only two Bridge that are access for Bus to cross on from Brooklyn to Manhattan are Manhattan Bridge and Williamsburg Bridge. Brooklyn Bridge is out of the question due to weight and height restriction.

 

Me personally, I hardly ever take the Bklyn Bridge just to get into Manhattan. Both Williamsburg and Manhattan Bridge feels faster when theres no traffic.

[Eric B]

It would be very expensive for the MTA to operate a fleet of mini-buses that would have no use elsewhere and would operate with full-time BOs (and whether or not union contracts allow operating this sort of bus is actually a good question).

 

If there were demand for such a bus, there would probably be one similar to the Downtown Connection buses (since both Lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn have a BID, and the Downtown Connection buses are run by the Lower Manhattan one anyways). There's not really a reason to have one though; it's not a particularly bad walk, both areas are covered in CitiBike stations, and there's not a need for disabled people to use it since nearby subway stations in the respective areas are wheelchair accessible.

 

Isn't the MTA trying to shave costs with Access-a-Ride because it's too expensive to provide, and it's actually cheaper to just pay for taxi vouchers? Using Access-a-Ride would be extremely expensive.

Well, then, maybe a new private company.

[ConcourseExp]

The B51 should have gotten another route over the Brooklyn Bridge, not the Manhattan Bridge.