East New York Posted January 30, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 30, 2015 Happy New Year NYC Transit Forums users! With a new year comes many new changes, and It is finally time to flood the forums with all the fun and exiting changes that await all of us. As previously mentioned here and there over the last 6 months, the MTA was said to be shaking things up within the department of buses in major ways. Again I apologize for not posting regular as I normally do, but as I said, I needed to confirm things on all angles. All of the following information is now 100% confirmed by The Department of Buses. All updates, and detailed information will remain in the MTA Bus Ops Fleet & Depots thread as always. Updates have been made as of this evening, and more are coming. First lets take a look at the newly revised bus delivery and procurement plans. All Current & Proposed Orders300 Prevost X3-45 Commuter Coaches (NYCT Delivery in progress)321 New Flyer XD40 "Xcelsior" Buses (NYCT Delivery in progress, MTAB Lead due April) 414 NovaBus LFS Buses (NYCT - Pilots in service and config. testing Delivery to be accelerated) 75 New Flyer XD60 Articulated "Xcelsior" Buses (MTABC - 4 Pilots due June 2015) 231 Low Floor Articulated 60 foot buses (NYCT - To Be Awarded Summer 2015) 772 Low Floor Standard 40 foot bus options (NYCT - To be accelerated & exercised mid 2015) 138 Low Floor Standard CNG powered buses (NYCT) Now we will note several major changes that reflect new 2015 plans for the DOB. 1.) The NovaBus order for a total of 414 buses was originally scheduled to be complete in early 2017. NovaBus has now committed to an increase in bus production that many did not think would be possible. Nova has now assured the MTA that they can deliver the balance of the buses by June. This means the last would come in at nearly the exact same time as the last of the New Flyer buses. This way, MTA can better evaluate and predict delivery slots for the option buses, which will now be increased by a total of 72 buses. 2.) MTA has yet again delayed award of 256 articulated buses, and has now decided to defer 25 of them off the base order. These decisions were made collectively for several reasons. The delay was expected, and it is to give New Flyer time to deliver 75 buses to MTABC depots. The deferral of 25 buses off the base order will be added to the option, for a new total of 300 buses. The main reason MTA finally decided on the deferral was so they can increase the standard 40 foot option from 700 buses, to 772. This way, MTA can re-allocate funds to the low floor procurement, and thus does not have to seek funds from elsewhere for the time being. 3.) The option for 700 buses will now be increased to 772 in order for MTA to expedite retirement of all Orion V buses. It was originally planned, that when all the new buses come in, MTA would keep the best RTS and Orion buses in the fleet. This would have been 375 RTS buses, and 72 Orion V buses. MTA has now decided that they want to move to replace the entire fleet of Orion V's as soon as possible. This means 72 buses need to be added to the standard 40 foot option immediately to make this happen. Sources: New York City Transit, Department of Buses, East New York Headquarters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted January 30, 2015 Share #2 Posted January 30, 2015 i thought i heard something that the 231 artic order was not gonna be awarded till the end of the year? or did they change their minds again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 30, 2015 Share #3 Posted January 30, 2015 More XD40s. It will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 30, 2015 Share #4 Posted January 30, 2015 Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novabus 5000 Posted January 30, 2015 Share #5 Posted January 30, 2015 bruh you got time to post this but cant answer my text smh lol nice work tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q113 LTD Posted January 30, 2015 Share #6 Posted January 30, 2015 Im gonna miss the Orion V/CNG buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 30, 2015 Share #7 Posted January 30, 2015 Damn, the total number predicted for the RTSs was 413, 375 is good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted January 30, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 30, 2015 Good riddance to those remaining Orion 5's. They are really falling apart now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted January 30, 2015 Share #9 Posted January 30, 2015 Damn. Thats the end of the RTS era most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDNQ2345 Posted January 30, 2015 Share #10 Posted January 30, 2015 What about the Orion vii o/ng diesel convert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted January 30, 2015 Share #11 Posted January 30, 2015 So that's 1500 new 40 ft Diesels; I take it, this is replacing the 850 RTS's, 300+ Orion V's, and the 200+ Older Orion VII's? (I take it, when they thought they were going to have 375 RTS's left, this was before the option?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 30, 2015 Share #12 Posted January 30, 2015 I'm happy to see them get rid of these RTS's and Orions, but I just hope that the accelerated orders don't mean buses of poor quality on the roads. That's the last thing that we need. It's also nice that the is shaking things up, but a real shake up would be having the same level of maintenance throughout the system, this way there's a better chance of avoiding shortages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfer2Nowhere Posted January 30, 2015 Share #13 Posted January 30, 2015 I'll miss the Orion Vs, but their time has come. They're overdue. Hopefully the MTA hangs on to one RTS and one Orion at least for the museum fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 30, 2015 Share #14 Posted January 30, 2015 I'll miss the Orion Vs, but their time has come. They're overdue. Hopefully the MTA hangs on to one RTS and one Orion at least for the museum fleet. We have an Orion V in the museum fleet (93001, ex. 191) and plenty of RTSs, be it a PBL one (10001, 295, etc) or TA itself (1201) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 30, 2015 Share #15 Posted January 30, 2015 Someone on this forum will be pissed off that the O5's are going to retire...oh well, life goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted January 30, 2015 Share #16 Posted January 30, 2015 I will really miss these great Orion V's and CNG's. They were New York tradition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 30, 2015 Share #17 Posted January 30, 2015 We have an Orion V in the museum fleet (93001, ex. 191) and plenty of RTSs, be it a PBL one (10001, 295, etc) or TA itself (1201) And the soon-to-be museum addition, 647. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 30, 2015 Share #18 Posted January 30, 2015 Good. I'm glad they're being retired sooner. There were a select few good ones I liked, but they are my least favorite buses in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 30, 2015 Share #19 Posted January 30, 2015 I will really miss these great Orion V's and CNG's. They were New York tradition! I would say the RTS is, been here for almost 30 years, but it's your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 30, 2015 Share #20 Posted January 30, 2015 The RTS is the strongest build bus ever. I get annoyed time to time when I catch them all the time on the Q17 especially the 1996 units. However now they are really starting to show age and hopefully the LFS can last a long time like the RTS has. For the last few years the 1996 RTS has been the only bus older than me and they still are in service running strong. So I pretty much grew up with those buses and it's going to be real different in a RTS less NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted January 31, 2015 Share #21 Posted January 31, 2015 We have an Orion V in the museum fleet (93001, ex. 191) and plenty of RTSs, be it a PBL one (10001, 295, etc) or TA itself (1201) But they don't have Nova RTS, those are the last ones to be built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 31, 2015 Share #22 Posted January 31, 2015 But they don't have Nova RTS, those are the last ones to be built. Ours were nowhere near the last ones built as the last ones were built by NovaBus in 2003-ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mta B43 Posted January 31, 2015 Share #23 Posted January 31, 2015 Ours were nowhere near the last ones built as the last ones were built by NovaBus in 2003-ishI think he's talking about the last RTS's ordered for NYC, not in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted January 31, 2015 Share #24 Posted January 31, 2015 RTSs rule!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 31, 2015 Share #25 Posted January 31, 2015 I hope that some RTS will be replacing the orions when the XD40s and LFS start coming in quickly. It would be awesome to see more Bronx depots other than WF in the Bronx with these buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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