40MntVrn Posted February 26, 2015 Share #1 Posted February 26, 2015 Out of curiosity, was there ever a time where all cars were to be open during peak periods? I remember reading it somewhere, but can't recall if its an actual rule of thumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted February 27, 2015 Share #2 Posted February 27, 2015 In most cases all cars are open on trains open on peak hour trains. There are few exceptions such as morning outbound trains and some of the pm Hudson Line zippers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 27, 2015 Share #3 Posted February 27, 2015 In most cases all cars are open on trains open on peak hour trains. There are few exceptions such as morning outbound trains and some of the pm Hudson Line zippers. I use some of the direct express trains to Westchester during the week on the Harlem line that supposedly don't make a stop until say Mount Vernon West. However, those trains always stop at Harlem-125th street to pick up, so how would the passengers getting on know which doors will open if they aren't discharging passengers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted February 28, 2015 Share #4 Posted February 28, 2015 The same way a passenger would know on any other train, look for the doors that are open. In most cases red lights on the side of the car indicate open doors. A second was is listen to announcements. Yes, the passenger waiting may have to pay attention to their surroundings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 28, 2015 Share #5 Posted February 28, 2015 The same way a passenger would know on any other train, look for the doors that are open. In most cases red lights on the side of the car indicate open doors. A second was is listen to announcements. Yes, the passenger waiting may have to pay attention to their surroundings. The point is that these are daily trains. Why would they open different doors every time? That's like me getting off at station with a short platform. I know I need to be near say the first two cars to board... Get my point now? There has to be a rhyme or reason at 125th as well. Quite frankly why wouldn't all doors open since it's a popular station? Also, what is the boarding procedure at Yankees-East 153rd street? Boarded there one night recently to head home to Riverdale and apparently was too far up as those doors didn't open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tun Posted February 28, 2015 Share #6 Posted February 28, 2015 All cars are open on peak trains on the LIRR. We don't have pick-up only stops like Metro North, but if all of the passengers at Harlem 125th Street were towards the front of the train, what would be the point in opening the rear cars? Anyone in the back of the train isn't supposed to be getting off at Harlem 125th Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted March 2, 2015 Share #7 Posted March 2, 2015 All cars are open on peak trains on the LIRR. We don't have pick-up only stops like Metro North, but if all of the passengers at Harlem 125th Street were towards the front of the train, what would be the point in opening the rear cars? Anyone in the back of the train isn't supposed to be getting off at Harlem 125th Street. That's what I'm trying to establish.... How would passengers know which doors open so they can get on during situations where they only pick up? I ride the Hudson Line and it can be a bit confusing for someone who isn't a daily rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tun Posted March 2, 2015 Share #8 Posted March 2, 2015 That's what I'm trying to establish.... How would passengers know which doors open so they can get on during situations where they only pick up? I ride the Hudson Line and it can be a bit confusing for someone who isn't a daily rider. If I saw people waiting on the entire length of the platform, I would open up all doors. The previously mentioned scenario would be to decrease station dwell time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted March 3, 2015 Share #9 Posted March 3, 2015 If I saw people waiting on the entire length of the platform, I would open up all doors. The previously mentioned scenario would be to decrease station dwell time. No you wouldn't. If you had an 8 car train and only need 4 cars open, dwell time is the least of the problems. Its a lot harder accounting for 100 people spread out in 8 cars than it is in 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tun Posted March 3, 2015 Share #10 Posted March 3, 2015 No you wouldn't. If you had an 8 car train and only need 4 cars open, dwell time is the least of the problems. Its a lot harder accounting for 100 people spread out in 8 cars than it is in 4. My post was under the assumption that all cars were open leaving the initial station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40MntVrn Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share #11 Posted March 4, 2015 The reason I ask is because lately I've noticed some rather strange door cut-offs. I've seen peak trains, packed, with closed cars. I assumed in those instances that it was easier for the conductors to sweep the cars. Then I've seen off-peak and weekend off-peak with all door open with lighter ridership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted March 6, 2015 Share #12 Posted March 6, 2015 The only time a train should not be opening all doors after the initial terminal is when a train is longer than the platform and at receive only stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted March 7, 2015 Share #13 Posted March 7, 2015 The only time a train should not be opening all doors after the initial terminal is when a train is longer than the platform and at receive only stations. So you're saying there is no rhyme or reason as to which doors open at receive only stations with normal length platforms (i.e. the Harlem-125th street station)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted March 9, 2015 Share #14 Posted March 9, 2015 So you're saying there is no rhyme or reason as to which doors open at receive only stations with normal length platforms (i.e. the Harlem-125th street station)? Pretty much. There's plenty of times I will not open the rear two cars at 125 to make collection easier with trains that are not required to be seat checked. Another example is the PM peak through train from GCT to Wassaic that is receive only @ White Plains (10 car platform). One two individual doors open so passengers tickets can be collected prior to boarding the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted March 9, 2015 Share #15 Posted March 9, 2015 Pretty much. There's plenty of times I will not open the rear two cars at 125 to make collection easier with trains that are not required to be seat checked. Another example is the PM peak through train from GCT to Wassaic that is receive only @ White Plains (10 car platform). One two individual doors open so passengers tickets can be collected prior to boarding the train. What's the deal with the Yankees-East 153rd street stop? Why don't they open all doors there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted March 10, 2015 Share #16 Posted March 10, 2015 What's the deal with the Yankees-East 153rd street stop? Why don't they open all doors there? No idea, the trains I'm on, which average 2 day, all doors open on all open cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted March 11, 2015 Share #17 Posted March 11, 2015 No idea, the trains I'm on, which average 2 day, all doors open on all open cars. That's funny. With the traffic in the morning, I've resumed using Metro-North to work at least 3-4 times a week until traffic improves a bit, as March through April can be a total mess. I see quite a few people getting off at that stop, far more than what gets on at night, but then again, at night I rarely use Metro-North during the rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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