Bx6 SBS?

[MysteriousBtrain]

The most recent pick for SBS in the Bronx.

Honestly I believe the Bx6 should get LTD service before there is even thought about an SBS conversion for that route.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

The most recent pick for SBS in the Bronx.

Honestly I believe the Bx6 should get LTD service before there is even thought about an SBS conversion for that route.

I think it should get SBS ASAP.  The line is SLOW, bunches horribly, and the buses are always packed.  Throw artics on the line and call it a day.  Aside from that farebeating is rampant anyway so why make everyone else who uses the line and actually pays suffer?  I almost outwalked TWO Bx6 buses from the BxM4 along the Grand Concourse as I walked to my session.  I saw two buses heading towards Hunts Point.  One was packed and the other followed close behind totally empty.

[B22viaAtlanticAv]

The most recent pick for SBS in the Bronx.

Honestly I believe the Bx6 should get LTD service before there is even thought about an SBS conversion for that route.

News to me and thanks for sharing but, it's safe to say some kind of artic whether it be diesel or cng will be on this route in the future however long it takes for them to decide on this SBS proposal. 

[BronxBombers]

SBS on this route would be interesting. But from what someone here told me, artics can't run on the Bx6 because of the bridge. Which sucks because this route needs artics. So if this route gets SBS, I wonder if it would short turn at Yankee Stadium.

[MysteriousBtrain]

I think it should get SBS ASAP. The line is SLOW, bunches horribly, and the buses are always packed. Throw artics on the line and call it a day. Aside from that farebeating is rampant anyway so why make everyone else who uses the line and actually pays suffer? I almost outwalked TWO Bx6 buses from the BxM4 along the Grand Concourse as I walked to my session. I saw two buses heading towards Hunts Point. One was packed and the other followed close behind totally empty.

I would agree with you on immediately getting SBS for the Bx6, but what really is going on in my head is the need for artics on that line. The LTD part I can understand, but if the route can get well with artics, there might not be a need for SBS.

SBS on this route would be interesting. But from what someone here told me, artics can't run on the Bx6 because of the bridge. Which sucks because this route needs artics. So if this route gets SBS, I wonder if it would short turn at Yankee Stadium.

I think that artics could work on the route if the eastbound Bx6 would not head towards Odgen Av and instead go immediately to Yankees stadium.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I would agree with you on immediately getting SBS for the Bx6, but what really is going on in my head is the need for artics on that line. The LTD part I can understand, but if the route can get well with artics, there might not be a need for SBS.

I think that artics could work on the route if the eastbound Bx6 would not head towards Odgen Av and instead go immediately to Yankees stadium.

Disagree.  SBS is needed because of the ridiculously long waits at each stop for people to pay. Then you have the elderly people that take FOREVER to sit down and the people that don't pay waiting around to get on and the process is endless.  For that reason I avoid using the line as much as possible and just walk from the BxM4 or take Metro-North and walk.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

I dont think the Bx6 needs SBS. I mean, you have a lot of people farebeating. From what I've seen, it seems to concentrate at Southern Blvd, coming off the subway, where there's a lot of farebeaters. There will be increased costs just to benefit a portion of riders. However, the numbers are high even with farebeating, and the the same can be said for the Bx41. Although, I dont really believe that will improve the Bx6. There needs to be more buses on the Bx6. You could possibly implement a limited/ local pattern, I guess. This would be a good time to extend the Bx46 to Yankee Stadium.

[MysteriousBtrain]

I dont think the Bx6 needs SBS. I mean, you have a lot of people farebeating. From what I've seen, it seems to concentrate at Southern Blvd, coming off the subway, where there's a lot of farebeaters. There will be increased costs just to benefit a portion of riders. However, the numbers are high even with farebeating, and the the same can be said for the Bx41. Although, I dont really believe that will improve the Bx6. There needs to be more buses on the Bx6. You could possibly implement a limited/ local pattern, I guess. This would be a good time to extend the Bx46 to Yankee Stadium.

This seems like a good idea. With a Bx46 extension, it could be possible to make nearly every Bx6 an LTD, and making others use the Bx46 "local".

Disagree. SBS is needed because of the ridiculously long waits at each stop for people to pay. Then you have the elderly people that take FOREVER to sit down and the people that don't pay waiting around to get on and the process is endless. For that reason I avoid using the line as much as possible and just walk from the BxM4 or take Metro-North and walk.

SBS or not, farebeaters are going to find their way on the Bx6. I'd rather start off with a Bx6 LTD first and take it from there.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I dont think the Bx6 needs SBS. I mean, you have a lot of people farebeating. From what I've seen, it seems to concentrate at Southern Blvd, coming off the subway, where there's a lot of farebeaters. There will be increased costs just to benefit a portion of riders. However, the numbers are high even with farebeating, and the the same can be said for the Bx41. Although, I dont really believe that will improve the Bx6. There needs to be more buses on the Bx6. You could possibly implement a limited/ local pattern, I guess. This would be a good time to extend the Bx46 to Yankee Stadium.

How could you say that the Bx6 doesn't need SBS?  Stand at River and 161st, Gerard, Concourse Village West and East during the rush or other times when the Bx6 is packed on weekends or during the week and see how long those buses sit there.  I am amazed at times because so many people have to get on, there's no room to go anywhere and not enough entrances.  Despite the farebeating problem, you have a lot of people that DO pay mixed in with those that don't and sometimes it can vary as to how many people don't pay.  At times an argument could be made that there's no choice but to NOT pay because of the overcrowding.  I actually was going to dip my card a few weekends ago, and the driver just waived for me to get on through the back because it was just too crowded up front. I would also eliminate a few stops here and there where possible.  I don't think there needs to be TWO stops right by the train.  Those two stops alone hold up the bus for an incredible amount of time because as soon the driver closes the door, three more people come running to get on, and it is an endless cycle.  With off board payment those people can just wait for the next bus because you'll have passengers on and off of the bus quicker with artics and the driver won't be waiting around as long, as he'll be able to just pick up and take off.

 

 

SBS or not, farebeaters are going to find their way on the Bx6. I'd rather start off with a Bx6 LTD first and take it from there.

A limited would be useless.  What exactly would be the advantage of it when it wouldn't have off board payment?  That is one of the main reasons why the Bx6 is so slow to begin with in addition to the traffic lights and too many stops.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

 

How could you say that the Bx6 doesn't need SBS?  Stand at River and 161st, Gerard, Concourse Village West and East during the rush or other times when the Bx6 is packed on weekends or during the week and see how long those buses sit there.  I am amazed at times because so many people have to get on, there's no room to go anywhere and not enough entrances.  Despite the farebeating problem, you have a lot of people that DO pay mixed in with those that don't and sometimes it can vary as to how many people don't pay.  At times an argument could be made that there's no choice but to NOT pay because of the overcrowding.  I actually was going to dip my card a few weekends ago, and the driver just waived for me to get on through the back because it was just too crowded up front. I would also eliminate a few stops here and there where possible.  I don't think there needs to be TWO stops right by the train.  Those two stops alone hold up the bus for an incredible amount of time because as soon the driver closes the door, three more people come running to get on, and it is an endless cycle.  With off board payment those people can just wait for the next bus because you'll have passengers on and off of the bus quicker with artics and the driver won't be waiting around as long, as he'll be able to just pick up and take off.

 

 

A limited would be useless.  What exactly would be the advantage of it when it wouldn't have off board payment?  That is one of the main reasons why the Bx6 is so slow to begin with in addition to the traffic lights and too many stops.

 

What you're describing is primarily an overcrowding issue. Here's what I would do:

 

 

 

Weekday Daytime:

Bx46: Every 30 minutes, from Yankee Stadium to the Hunts Point Food Market. (5 AM- 8 PM)

Bx6 Local: Every 10 minutes rush hours, Every 15 minutes middays, using artics, from Yankee Stadium to Hunts Point Avenue

Bx6 Limited: Every 10 minutes rush hours, every 15 minutes middays, using standards

 

Evenings/ Late Nights:

Bx46: Every 30 minutes as is

Bx6 Local: Every 12 minutes from 8 PM to 10 PM to Hunts Point Avenue . After 10 PM, service on the entire route is local, as is, every 15 minutes, using standards.

 

Saturday Daytime (9 AM to 8 PM): 

Bx46: Every 30 minutes, from Yankee Stadium to Hunts Point Food Market

Bx6 Local: Every 12 minutes, from Yankee Stadium to Hunts Point Avenue , with Artics. 

Bx6 Limited: Every 10 minutes  using standards

 

 

Evening/LATE Nights:

Bx46: Every 30 minutes, as is

Bx6 Local: As is, with standards

 

Sunday Morning, up to 1 PM

Bx6 as currently set-up, along with Bx46 service to/from Yankee Stadium

 

Sunday Afternoon (1 PM-7 PM)

Bx46: Every 30 minutes to/from Yankee Stadium

Bx6 Local: Every 12 minutes from Yankee Stadium to Hunts Point Avenue

Bx6 Limited: Every 10 minutes  using standards

 

 

 

Since you said that there's two stops at the , there's also a solution to that. In the eastbound direction, one stop would now be used by the Bx6 Limited, while the other would be used by the Bx6 Local, Bx13 and the Bx46. Westbound, the Bx6 Limited and Bx13 would share one stop, while the Bx6 Local and Bx46 stop on the other. This allows for buses on layover and running OOS to not interfere with buses running in service.

 

Overall, with this plan, there are more buses on the road, allowing for more space, and a portion of them will be articulated, allowing for even more space compared to if they were all standard-sized buses. 

 

If the Bx13 didn't run to 149 Street, I would've ran that to Hunts Point Avenue , and make the Bx6 Limited between Yankee Stadium and Hunts Point Avenue .

[Gotham Bus Co.]

I think it should get SBS ASAP.  The line is SLOW, bunches horribly, and the buses are always packed.  

 

SBS won't help it at all. On game days, nothing will help it.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

What you're describing is primarily an overcrowding issue. Here's what I would do:

 

 

 

Weekday Daytime:

Bx46: Every 30 minutes, from Yankee Stadium to the Hunts Point Food Market. (5 AM- 8 PM)

Bx6 Local: Every 10 minutes rush hours, Every 15 minutes middays, using artics, from Yankee Stadium to Hunts Point Avenue

Bx6 Limited: Every 10 minutes rush hours, every 15 minutes middays, using standards

 

Evenings/ Late Nights:

Bx46: Every 30 minutes as is

Bx6 Local: Every 12 minutes from 8 PM to 10 PM to Hunts Point Avenue . After 10 PM, service on the entire route is local, as is, every 15 minutes, using standards.

 

Saturday Daytime (9 AM to 8 PM): 

Bx46: Every 30 minutes, from Yankee Stadium to Hunts Point Food Market

Bx6 Local: Every 12 minutes, from Yankee Stadium to Hunts Point Avenue , with Artics. 

Bx6 Limited: Every 10 minutes  using standards

 

 

Evening/LATE Nights:

Bx46: Every 30 minutes, as is

Bx6 Local: As is, with standards

 

Sunday Morning, up to 1 PM

Bx6 as currently set-up, along with Bx46 service to/from Yankee Stadium

 

Sunday Afternoon (1 PM-7 PM)

Bx46: Every 30 minutes to/from Yankee Stadium

Bx6 Local: Every 12 minutes from Yankee Stadium to Hunts Point Avenue

Bx6 Limited: Every 10 minutes  using standards

 

 

 

Since you said that there's two stops at the , there's also a solution to that. In the eastbound direction, one stop would now be used by the Bx6 Limited, while the other would be used by the Bx6 Local, Bx13 and the Bx46. Westbound, the Bx6 Limited and Bx13 would share one stop, while the Bx6 Local and Bx46 stop on the other. This allows for buses on layover and running OOS to not interfere with buses running in service.

 

Overall, with this plan, there are more buses on the road, allowing for more space, and a portion of them will be articulated, allowing for even more space compared to if they were all standard-sized buses. 

 

If the Bx13 didn't run to 149 Street, I would've ran that to Hunts Point Avenue , and make the Bx6 Limited between Yankee Stadium and Hunts Point Avenue .

Yeah but the overcrowding issues are due to a few things, one being buses becoming bogged down by people running for it after it has already picked up, forcing it to stay longer at stops than it should, in addition to the traffic.  That's why I don't see what a LTD would do.  I think off-board payment with artics would be a huge step in the right direction, AND I would eliminate a few stops where possible and the community can yell and scream all it wants.  Too damn bad.  I understand that the Bx6 goes through hilly terrain but at least a few stops should be eliminated.  I think SBS would be better in that regard because more people would benefit, whereas a LTD... I mean what stops do you bypass first off given how heavily used most stops are even without transferring to other buses, and second I think it would lead to unbalanced loads even more.  You would need more buses with an LTD as opposed to having SBS service and just eliminating a few stops.

 

 

SBS won't help it at all. On game days, nothing will help it.

Totally disagree... Do you even use the Bx6 to make such a comment??

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Yeah but the overcrowding issues are due to a few things, one being buses becoming bogged down by people running for it after it has already picked up, forcing it to stay longer at stops than it should, in addition to the traffic.  That's why I don't see what a LTD would do.  I think off-board payment with artics would be a huge step in the right direction, AND I would eliminate a few stops where possible and the community can yell and scream all it wants.  Too damn bad.  I understand that the Bx6 goes through hilly terrain but at least a few stops should be eliminated.  I think SBS would be better in that regard because more people would benefit, whereas a LTD... I mean what stops do you bypass first off given how heavily used most stops are even without transferring to other buses, and second I think it would lead to unbalanced loads even more.  You would need more buses with an LTD as opposed to having SBS service and just eliminating a few stops.

While traffic may indeed be a factor, traffic is not as much of a clustef*ck along a big segment of the route, except the portion west of Melrose in the Bronx. Overcrowding isn't also entirely due to people missing the bus, long lines for the bus also play into the issue of delaying the bus, and the fact that buses are at capacity. 

 

I disagree with eliminating stops on the current route, that will just make all the loads cluster at one point, making it more of an inconvenience to get to the bus, to possibly not even get on the bus in the first place. There are more local buses than limited buses, and the amount of local buses on E 163 Street will at times be even better than the amount of local service provided there current, and it will have artics. The limited stops will have limited-stop service as well, during the peak of the rush, the amount of buses at a limited stop would be 14, instead of 15-16. However, the 6 Bx6 Locals per hour have the same capacity as 9 standards, and there's 6 standard limiteds, as well as two extra Bx46 Locals. 1-2 buses per hour would be added along E 163 Street during the rush hour. During Middays, at times, the local runs every 15 minutes as is, and then starts running every 5-6 minutes (10-12 bph). The 4 local artics handle the same capacity as 6 standards, and with the other standards, there's a total of 15 buses. That's an increase of 3-5 buses per hour. Evenings, buses run every 9 minutes, with about 6.67 buses per hour. On the weekends, there would be a similar increase along the route. 

 

Limited buses would stop at Southern Blvd, Westchester, Third Avenue,  Melrose, Grand Concourse, River Avenue, and St Nicholas Avenue, and local stops to Riverside Drive.

[BronxBombers]

 

Yeah but the overcrowding issues are due to a few things, one being buses becoming bogged down by people running for it after it has already picked up, forcing it to stay longer at stops than it should, in addition to the traffic.  That's why I don't see what a LTD would do.  I think off-board payment with artics would be a huge step in the right direction, AND I would eliminate a few stops where possible and the community can yell and scream all it wants.  Too damn bad.  I understand that the Bx6 goes through hilly terrain but at least a few stops should be eliminated.  I think SBS would be better in that regard because more people would benefit, whereas a LTD... I mean what stops do you bypass first off given how heavily used most stops are even without transferring to other buses, and second I think it would lead to unbalanced loads even more.  You would need more buses with an LTD as opposed to having SBS service and just eliminating a few stops.

 

 

There is no point in eliminating any stops. Every single stop west of Southern Blvd is heavily used like you said. Also the two eastbound Yankee Stadium stops that you mentioned should just become one stop are actually really convenient. The stop at River Av is the closest stop to the Bx13 and the subway. The stop at Gerard Av is the closest to Grand Concourse. Before the River Av stop was added, people from the subway or the 13 bus would have to walk (or run) an extra block to Gerard Av to catch the bus, which leads to slower boarding time. Now with an extra stop at River Av, it makes it easier to transfer from the subway to the bus and slightly speeds up boarding time since it only has to deal with a smaller crowd than it did before.

 

While traffic may indeed be a factor, traffic is not as much of a clustef*ck along a big segment of the route, except the portion west of Melrose in the Bronx. Overcrowding isn't also entirely due to people missing the bus, long lines for the bus also play into the issue of delaying the bus, and the fact that buses are at capacity. 

 

I disagree with eliminating stops on the current route, that will just make all the loads cluster at one point, making it more of an inconvenience to get to the bus, to possibly not even get on the bus in the first place. There are more local buses than limited buses, and the amount of local buses on E 163 Street will at times be even better than the amount of local service provided there current, and it will have artics. The limited stops will have limited-stop service as well, during the peak of the rush, the amount of buses at a limited stop would be 14, instead of 15-16. However, the 6 Bx6 Locals per hour have the same capacity as 9 standards, and there's 6 standard limiteds, as well as two extra Bx46 Locals. 1-2 buses per hour would be added along E 163 Street during the rush hour. During Middays, at times, the local runs every 15 minutes as is, and then starts running every 5-6 minutes (10-12 bph). The 4 local artics handle the same capacity as 6 standards, and with the other standards, there's a total of 15 buses. That's an increase of 3-5 buses per hour. Evenings, buses run every 9 minutes, with about 6.67 buses per hour. On the weekends, there would be a similar increase along the route. 

 

Limited buses would stop at Southern Blvd, Westchester, Third Avenue,  Melrose, Grand Concourse, River Avenue, and St Nicholas Avenue, and local stops to Riverside Drive.

 

The thing with a Bx6 limited or a SBS is that it would only skip a stop or two since most of the major stops are a short distance away. Like after Westchester Av is Prospect Av, which is a major stop. I don't think Morris or Sherman should be skipped since both are busy because of the Courthouse and the Bx32. Also it doesn't stop at Grand Concourse since it uses the tunnel. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a bus that skips stops if the major stops are not that far from each other.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

There is no point in eliminating any stops. Every single stop west of Southern Blvd is heavily used like you said. Also the two eastbound Yankee Stadium stops that you mentioned should just become one stop are actually really convenient. The stop at River Av is the closest stop to the Bx13 and the subway. The stop at Gerard Av is the closest to Grand Concourse. Before the River Av stop was added, people from the subway or the 13 bus would have to walk (or run) an extra block to Gerard Av to catch the bus, which leads to slower boarding time. Now with an extra stop at River Av, it makes it easier to transfer from the subway to the bus and slightly speeds up boarding time since it only has to deal with a smaller crowd than it did before.

 

 

The thing with a Bx6 limited or a SBS is that it would only skip a stop or two since most of the major stops are a short distance away. Like after Westchester Av is Prospect Av, which is a major stop. I don't think Morris or Sherman should be skipped since both are busy because of the Courthouse and the Bx32. Also it doesn't stop at Grand Concourse since it uses the tunnel. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a bus that skips stops if the major stops are not that far from each other.

Well then, instead of CG, you can have a stop halfway between Morris and and Sherman, and I had the idea of putting a stop at Prospect, but I forgot to list it (my mistake). The point of the limited bus service isn't much to provide faster service. It's moreso to even out the distribution at the highest stops along the route, despite that almost all are used. There would be an increased amount of service at Limited service, but not all buses are local in order to decrease dwell time and time in which the bus is stopped in traffic, and since the artic can take in a higher capacity (in addition to the extra relief provided by the Bx46 in AM, midday, and PM rush. The higher utilized stops won't be able to deal with the Bx6 Local/Bx46, so that's why the Bx6 Limited is set-up to only make stops at major destinations or transfers. 

[MysteriousBtrain]

Now that I think about it, it MAY be easier to convert the entire Bx6 route into SBS instead of adding a LTD. The Bx46 would be the local supplement between Prospect park and Yankees stadium. The Bx6 SBS would make all stops in Manhattan, then make the following stops:

River Av

Morris Av

Melrose Av

Third Av

Prospect Av

Westchester Av

Fox St

Southern Blvd

Lafayette Av

Spofford-Bryant Av

Randall Av

E bay Av

Then all stops in the market area (except Viele Av)

[DetSMART45]

Once again, all of you seem to think solely about the bus-side of SBS, and not the other rigamarole that goes along with it.

 

One of the core elements of SBS is the DOT slapping bus lanes on the streets, their way of "mitigating" traffic or causing disruption to current traffic/parking issues which they have yet to address.  So take a close look at that angle, and on the surrounding streets which will also be impacted indirectly.

 

As I said on the other thread, SBS is only a Limited-Stop route with prepayment attached as an "attractive" feature.  If some of you say that a Limited won't work, then how does that ensure SBS is going to work?  Just because OF prepayment???  If that's the case, MTA could save all of you those millions and implement touchless instead.  If the whole goal is to shorten dwell-time, touchless would be a better investment than spending those millions tearing up streets, disrupting traffic, spending probably close to $250,000 (if not more) per stop, paying for extra traffic/fare enforcement.  PLUS it would also come along with an auditing system to better track customer patterns, putting the onus on the MTA to adjust routes faster, because they'd have additional data.  (That's something the MTA probably doesn't want happening, much like how they seem to ignore BusTime/Clever customer data currently.)

 

How about someone answer this question:

MTA and DOT had Bx6 on their grand "study" of routes back in 2009.  Has anything been done with those findings since those reports were released?  Road improvements?  Bus frequency adjustments?  Route adjustments, including variants where necessary based upon ridership patterns?

 

Both of these agencies are following a mighty easy to follow pattern here.  They do a study, do nothing in subsequent years, and then at a point when all the factors conveniently align, say, "Welp, we knew it!  Time to put SBS here.  Doesn't that sound so much better?"  And, of course, by this point, everyone thinks, "WOW! Oh yes!  It's terrible and this will be so much better!"

 

Proving that people can be easily manipulated.  It's just like an addict:  Throw a little adversity after hooking them, and they'll do anything you want out of desperation.  But just go ahead and keep playing the game.  Most of you believe everything that comes from the MTA already as undisputable fact.  They're picking your pockets (ummm, remember there are fare increases already in the budget) and telling you to like what they give you.

 

And you're obviously OK with it.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Once again, all of you seem to think solely about the bus-side of SBS, and not the other rigamarole that goes along with it.

 

One of the core elements of SBS is the DOT slapping bus lanes on the streets, their way of "mitigating" traffic or causing disruption to current traffic/parking issues which they have yet to address.  So take a close look at that angle, and on the surrounding streets which will also be impacted indirectly.

 

As I said on the other thread, SBS is only a Limited-Stop route with prepayment attached as an "attractive" feature.  If some of you say that a Limited won't work, then how does that ensure SBS is going to work?  Just because OF prepayment???  If that's the case, MTA could save all of you those millions and implement touchless instead.  If the whole goal is to shorten dwell-time, touchless would be a better investment than spending those millions tearing up streets, disrupting traffic, spending probably close to $250,000 (if not more) per stop, paying for extra traffic/fare enforcement.  PLUS it would also come along with an auditing system to better track customer patterns, putting the onus on the MTA to adjust routes faster, because they'd have additional data.  (That's something the MTA probably doesn't want happening, much like how they seem to ignore BusTime/Clever customer data currently.)

 

How about someone answer this question:

MTA and DOT had Bx6 on their grand "study" of routes back in 2009.  Has anything been done with those findings since those reports were released?  Road improvements?  Bus frequency adjustments?  Route adjustments, including variants where necessary based upon ridership patterns?

 

Both of these agencies are following a mighty easy to follow pattern here.  They do a study, do nothing in subsequent years, and then at a point when all the factors conveniently align, say, "Welp, we knew it!  Time to put SBS here.  Doesn't that sound so much better?"  And, of course, by this point, everyone thinks, "WOW! Oh yes!  It's terrible and this will be so much better!"

 

Proving that people can be easily manipulated.  It's just like an addict:  Throw a little adversity after hooking them, and they'll do anything you want out of desperation.  But just go ahead and keep playing the game.  Most of you believe everything that comes from the MTA already as undisputable fact.  They're picking your pockets (ummm, remember there are fare increases already in the budget) and telling you to like what they give you.

 

And you're obviously OK with it.

Listen, everyone knows that the NEEDS a 21st century form of payment, but until they get that then yes, SBS is the best that we're going to get to reduce dwell times, which are indeed a BIG problem along several lines.

 

Now that I think about it, it MAY be easier to convert the entire Bx6 route into SBS instead of adding a LTD. The Bx46 would be the local supplement between Prospect park and Yankees stadium. The Bx6 SBS would make all stops in Manhattan, then make the following stops:

River Av

Morris Av

Melrose Av

Third Av

Prospect Av

Westchester Av

Fox St

Southern Blvd

Lafayette Av

Spofford-Bryant Av

Randall Av

E bay Av

Then all stops in the market area (except Viele Av)

You're trying to skip stops that simply can't be skipped because of the reasons I mentioned below to Bronx Bombers.  You can't possibly think that skipping all of the Courthouses and that big shopping plaza would sit well with the community down there. lol

 

There is no point in eliminating any stops. Every single stop west of Southern Blvd is heavily used like you said. Also the two eastbound Yankee Stadium stops that you mentioned should just become one stop are actually really convenient. The stop at River Av is the closest stop to the Bx13 and the subway. The stop at Gerard Av is the closest to Grand Concourse. Before the River Av stop was added, people from the subway or the 13 bus would have to walk (or run) an extra block to Gerard Av to catch the bus, which leads to slower boarding time. Now with an extra stop at River Av, it makes it easier to transfer from the subway to the bus and slightly speeds up boarding time since it only has to deal with a smaller crowd than it did before.

Listen, walking one extra short block over to River Avenue isn't going to kill those people.  I would keep the stop at River Avenue heading towards Hunts Point because it benefits those folks coming from Metro-North, which is a long walk, plus you have the subway right above.  Folks coming from the Concourse can simply walk to that stop OR walk to the very next one (Concourse Village West).  There aren't that many stops that can be eliminated anyway because of the hilly terrain, along with the fact that 161st is a main corridor which many streets lead to, along with the businesses, the Courthouses, Boricua College and all of the housing there, so that means that you don't have many other "crosstown" buses nearby along most of the route.  With off board payment and artics, having one stop eliminated would be fine.

[MysteriousBtrain]

You're trying to skip stops that simply can't be skipped because of the reasons I mentioned below to Bronx Bombers.  You can't possibly think that skipping all of the Courthouses and that big shopping plaza would sit well with the community down there. lol

 

If that's the case then I would put the Morris avenue stop on the side that is closest to the mall and the courthouse. There won't really be any "missed" stops otherwise. And In this plan, the Bx6 local is the Bx46 between Hunts Point and Yankees Stadium.

[Hound]

I dont think the Bx6 needs SBS. I mean, you have a lot of people farebeating. From what I've seen, it seems to concentrate at Southern Blvd, coming off the subway, where there's a lot of farebeaters. There will be increased costs just to benefit a portion of riders. However, the numbers are high even with farebeating, and the the same can be said for the Bx41. Although, I dont really believe that will improve the Bx6. There needs to be more buses on the Bx6. You could possibly implement a limited/ local pattern, I guess. This would be a good time to extend the Bx46 to Yankee Stadium.

Since the farebeating problem is so rampant & openly exposed on this forum,why isn't something being done about it? I'm sure that the powers that be at the MTA as well as local politicians read this forum & are aware of this.

[Gotham Bus Co.]

 

Totally disagree... Do you even use the Bx6 to make such a comment??

 

I've been at the Stadium on game days and watched lots of Bx6 buses not move. 

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I've been at the Stadium on game days and watched lots of Bx6 buses not move. 

Yeah and?  That can be said for the Deegan as well, and I go by that area daily either on my way home to Riverdale, or when I'm commuting from Riverdale down there to the Bronx (South Bronx) and have seen times when traffic is just fine.  No one said that SBS would be a miracle worker.  The Yankees only play for part of the season anyway, so I don't see what that has to do with bus service that runs 365 days a year.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

If that's the case then I would put the Morris avenue stop on the side that is closest to the mall and the courthouse. There won't really be any "missed" stops otherwise. And In this plan, the Bx6 local is the Bx46 between Hunts Point and Yankees Stadium.

lol... Don't you travel around that area?  That stop is big enough in terms of people getting on and off that I don't see it being removed for the SBS Bx6.

 

Since the farebeating problem is so rampant & openly exposed on this forum,why isn't something being done about it? I'm sure that the powers that be at the MTA as well as local politicians read this forum & are aware of this.

LOL... Is that a serious question?  I was having a discussion about the South Bronx with a B/O when I was heading back to the city on the BxM4 the other day, and we were talking about the area and how poor it is down there and how I dress in jeans in such so as not to stand out because this guy picks me up during the week when I get the express bus from work heading back to Riverdale, and he wasn't sure if I was the same person because I'm dressed up quite elegantly in suede drivers and such, dress shirts, pants, etc.  lol The point that I made to him was that it's a poor area down there and most of the people can barely afford to pay the rent and other necessities, let alone pay for the local bus, so in short, I'm sure a lot of politicians look the other way.  What irritates me is that God forbid the announced service cuts to a line like the Bx6.  Those folks down there would be up in arms, but meanwhile you have TONS of them stealing services daily because they think they're entitled to them.  When I see these people not paying, I just shake my head to myself in disbelief, because there's a sense of entitlement there that's just amazing.  The B/O's on that line aren't even fazed.  It seems as if the F5 button is hit at almost every stop when I use that bus and it's only for a few stops when I don't feel like walking back to the BxM4.

[MysteriousBtrain]

lol... Don't you travel around that area?  That stop is big enough in terms of people getting on and off that I don't see it being removed for the SBS Bx6.

Yeah, I know that area pretty well. The same way that the River Av stops can be merged for faster service, it can be done with the Courthouse and Mall area. Morris Avenue isn't that far from the mall and courthouse, so there won't really be any complaints if their are any if the Morris and Courthouse stops are merged. The stops between the Concourse and Melrose, and Third Av and Prospect Av aren't imo high enough in ridership to need an SBS. 

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Yeah, I know that area pretty well. The same way that the River Av stops can be merged for faster service, it can be done with the Courthouse and Mall area. Morris Avenue isn't that far from the mall and courthouse, so there won't really be any complaints if their are any if the Morris and Courthouse stops are merged. The stops between the Concourse and Melrose, and Third Av and Prospect Av aren't imo high enough in ridership to need an SBS. 

Yeah well that used to be the case.  They're building some sort of residential housing over there now and that stop before Melrose seems to get a lot more action now.  Seems like they're cleaning up a lot around there just from over the summer, though it still the ghetto, but they even opened a Starbucks down there (lol) so there is definitely things happening down there, though I wouldn't dare say it's gentrification.