46Dover Posted January 5, 2016 Share #1 Posted January 5, 2016 http://www.mta.info/news-lirr-long-island-rail-road-hicksville-floral-park/2016/01/05/third-track-wiill-ease-commuting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted January 5, 2016 Share #2 Posted January 5, 2016 "His agenda" Lol. Anyway, this is pretty good, although I am curious to see how construction will go on about. I'm guessing it's an extra track on either the north track or the south track, making the side platforms into island platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted January 5, 2016 Share #3 Posted January 5, 2016 Additionally, the LIRR will conduct a comprehensive safety analysis to address and ensure all aspects of safety at the seven remaining street crossings. Taking this at face-value, does this mean the project won't involve any grade-crossing eliminations? Right now, there are seven grade crossings left between Floral Park and Hicksville: three in New Hyde Park, two in Mineola, and two near Westbury. The options the MTA studied in the 2000s would have gotten rid of two to four of the grade crossings (depending on the option picked). I guess this is part of how the MTA was able to reduce the amount of land acquisition needed so drastically. If dropping the grade crossing elimination work is needed to drag this out of NIMBY hell, I can understand, but really it's best to do it all at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 5, 2016 Share #4 Posted January 5, 2016 I'm wondering where they managed to chop off 1.7 miles from the length of the project. I mean, the PJ & Ronkonkoma branches diverge east of Hicksville, and the Hempstead branch gives you the extra 2 tracks at Floral Park. It has to run between those two points or you're going to end up with a bottleneck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted January 5, 2016 Share #5 Posted January 5, 2016 I'm wondering where they managed to chop off 1.7 miles from the length of the project. I mean, the PJ & Ronkonkoma branches diverge east of Hicksville, and the Hempstead branch gives you the extra 2 tracks at Floral Park. It has to run between those two points or you're going to end up with a bottleneck. Queens Village to Hicksville is ~11.5 miles; Floral Park to Hicksville is ~9.8 miles. That's where the difference is coming from. So it looks like there were some improvements planned between Queens Village and Floral Park, but those were dropped? We really need more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted January 5, 2016 Share #6 Posted January 5, 2016 If they do it right, they could build an elevated viaduct like the Babylon line--oops, I mean branch. But that depends on how much Father Maadio is willing to spend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Orion Bus Posted January 6, 2016 Share #7 Posted January 6, 2016 From what I heard, this has actually been proposed many times but the residents of Floral Park and New Hyde Park keep fighting it because it would be a noise nightmare and supposedly requires elevating the tracks. Granted, yes, much of the LIRR main line could use a third track, but there are so many space issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 6, 2016 Share #8 Posted January 6, 2016 From what I heard, this has actually been proposed many times but the residents of Floral Park and New Hyde Park keep fighting it because it would be a noise nightmare and supposedly requires elevating the tracks. Granted, yes, much of the LIRR main line could use a third track, but there are so many space issues. Two tiny towns should not be able to dictate transportation policy for the rest of the Island. Grade separation is not necessary, but it would be in the towns' best interest to do so since the gates are already down for most of the rush hour. The current version with no grade crossing eliminations that Cuomo is currently proposing only requires 50 takings, with an average of five square feet per taking. That's not a lot of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 10, 2016 Share #9 Posted January 10, 2016 So what would the track map look like after the project is done and done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted January 25, 2016 Share #10 Posted January 25, 2016 If Cuomo really wants to be like Robert Moses then he would ignore their complaints, and build it anyways. . If they still complain then bulldoze their living areas. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted January 27, 2016 If Cuomo really wants to be like Robert Moses then he would ignore their complaints, and build it anyways. . If they still complain then bulldoze their living areas. . Excellent point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted January 27, 2016 Share #12 Posted January 27, 2016 and we need a transit robert moses, that would have gotten the 2nd ave subway done, restored the rockaway beach branch with subway or whatever and gotten all LIRR projects done along time ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted January 28, 2016 Share #13 Posted January 28, 2016 If they do it right, they could build an elevated viaduct like the Babylon line--oops, I mean branch. But that depends on how much Father Maadio is willing to spend... Just realised my mistake.... I should've said Andy, not Mario... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordsaitamaboss Posted January 30, 2016 Share #14 Posted January 30, 2016 Excellent point What is stopping him from ignoring their complaints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted March 11, 2016 Share #15 Posted March 11, 2016 wow now no homes are in trouble?!http://nypost.com/2016/03/08/lirr-expansion-wont-put-homes-at-risk-says-cuomo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 11, 2016 Share #16 Posted March 11, 2016 wow now no homes are in trouble?! http://nypost.com/2016/03/08/lirr-expansion-wont-put-homes-at-risk-says-cuomo/ It would be great if that were true. After this, reactivate the LIRR Central Branch, but there would be NIMBY opposition as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted March 21, 2016 Share #17 Posted March 21, 2016 It would be great if that were true. After this, reactivate the LIRR Central Branch, but there would be NIMBY opposition as well. What's the Central Branch LIRR? Is it those abandoned tracks on back of Nassau Community College? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted March 21, 2016 Share #18 Posted March 21, 2016 What's the Central Branch LIRR? Is it those abandoned tracks on back of Nassau Community College? Yes. They go through Levittown, East Meadow, etc and connect Farmingdale to Country Life Press. (I don't think there were any old stations on that line) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted March 21, 2016 Share #19 Posted March 21, 2016 The Central Branch isn't abandoned, but there were two stations on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted March 22, 2016 Share #20 Posted March 22, 2016 Yes. They go through Levittown, East Meadow, etc and connect Farmingdale to Country Life Press. (I don't think there were any old stations on that line) Levittown and East Meadow would oppose the reactivation of the Central Branch, even if the MTA presented a reasonable option. The Central Branch isn't abandoned, but there were two stations on the line. Right, the circus uses the tracks whenever they have a show over at Nassau Coliseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted March 22, 2016 Share #21 Posted March 22, 2016 LIRR trains use it as well. It's the same color as the Ronkonkoma Branch on maps and allows diesel trains access the Main Line. Funnily enough though, you'll only find the schedules for these trains on Babylon and Montauk Branch timetables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak41 Posted May 22, 2016 Share #22 Posted May 22, 2016 Both Garden City and New Hyde Park villages are officially opposed to the project. I hope LIRR demonstrates more backbone than they have in the past. Look at how they kept chickening out over the decades with various proposals for MU yards at Northport, Kings Park, and Smithtown, and electrifying to Port Jeff. As it is now, they have scaled back the 3-track project from Queens interlocking to Floral Park. What do they plan to do with that bottleneck ? Perhaps they should tweak the schedules by 1 and 2 minutes so as to keep the gates down continually at NHP for a whole hour during each rush period. Or maybe there are too many trains stopping at the various Garden City and NHP stations. It would be a relatively simple matter to run non-stop between Jamaica and Mineola, and non-stop between Bellerose and Hempstead, perhaps stop at the skipped stations every 3 or 4 hours. That could teach them a lesson in their keeping the LIRR from progressing out of the 19th Century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 4, 2016 Share #23 Posted June 4, 2016 we have a design-build contract in place as announced by the most benevolent prince andrew (im being sarcastic) https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-award-key-contracts-lirr-double-track-project-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 5, 2016 Share #24 Posted June 5, 2016 Both Garden City and New Hyde Park villages are officially opposed to the project. I hope LIRR demonstrates more backbone than they have in the past. Look at how they kept chickening out over the decades with various proposals for MU yards at Northport, Kings Park, and Smithtown, and electrifying to Port Jeff. As it is now, they have scaled back the 3-track project from Queens interlocking to Floral Park. What do they plan to do with that bottleneck ? Perhaps they should tweak the schedules by 1 and 2 minutes so as to keep the gates down continually at NHP for a whole hour during each rush period. Or maybe there are too many trains stopping at the various Garden City and NHP stations. It would be a relatively simple matter to run non-stop between Jamaica and Mineola, and non-stop between Bellerose and Hempstead, perhaps stop at the skipped stations every 3 or 4 hours. That could teach them a lesson in their keeping the LIRR from progressing out of the 19th Century. The problem becomes that you screw the wrong people in those areas: The people working long hours who don't have time to come to the meetings, who would love the increased, more reliable service that the third track would bring. A lot of these people protesting are people with too much time on their hands: Seniors and stay-at-home moms who worry about "the children, the children playing in the streets" (they're playing on busy streets like New Hyde Park Road? And near railroad crossings to boot? But anyway....) Keeping the gates down, you screw over people who just need to pass through, not to mention NICE bus riders (e.g. n25). I do agree that I would love to "teach them a lesson", but if they're stupid enough to be making these types of arguments, are they going to be smart enough to learn the lesson we're trying to teach them. The fact that "the town" is against the proposal doesn't mean that the majority of the residents within that town are against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share #25 Posted June 22, 2016 I rode the Main line today and some tracks were being laid between NHP and Merillon Av. I'm intrigued to see how LIRR is gonna pull this third track thing off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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