Bus Service on Burke Ave. in the Bronx

[hoodciti]

I have been living in the general area of Burke Avenue in the Bronx for sometimeand as a commuter I've noticed the amount of pedestrians that transverse Burke Avenue to and from the  subway station. So the question or topic I wanted to discuss is if it would make sense for bus service to run along Burke Avenue or possibly a van route similar that connects to the at 233rd Street/ White Pains Rd.?

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I have been living in the general area of Burke Avenue in the Bronx for sometimeand as a commuter I've noticed the amount of pedestrians that transverse Burke Avenue to and from the  subway station. So the question or topic I wanted to discuss is if it would make sense for bus service to run along Burke Avenue or possibly a van route similar that connects to the at 233rd Street/ White Pains Rd.?

Well I don't think that the would run a separate service for Burke Avenue, and re-routing either the Bx28 or Bx38 from Gunhill Road is probably unlikely as well, as it appears as if both lines get good usage from my personal observations.  If there were such a bus service, what portion of Burke Avenue would it use, and where would it run to and from?

[JubaionBx12+SBS]

Burke is too close to either GunHill or Allerton to warrant it's own route plus Burke Av isn't the busiest station in the world so a feeder route to it would generate very little ridership especially when you have the vast number of routes that meet up with the on other east/west streets. The thing that would make more sense for Burke Av residents is a MTA operated route that runs along Boston Road from Fordham to city limits that way that way the Burke Av station can cease to exit due to low ridership and the Boston Rd bus can feed folks to the busier Pelham Parkway station. There's also the Bx28/38 to get folks to Gun Hill Road station and the Bx39 if boarding at Allerton is more convenient. 

[Q43 Floral Park]

I have been living in the general area of Burke Avenue in the Bronx for sometimeand as a commuter I've noticed the amount of pedestrians that transverse Burke Avenue to and from the  subway station. So the question or topic I wanted to discuss is if it would make sense for bus service to run along Burke Avenue or possibly a van route similar that connects to the at 233rd Street/ White Pains Rd.?

 

Burke Avenue and East 222 St are both missing bus routes and those blocks aren't short... I don't think either street has a enough ridership to sustain a solo route but if you ran one route Burke/Bronx Park E- 219 St/Bronx Bl via Baychester on headways like the Bx18 you would have a decent subway feeder and fix the only gap in NE bus service. It's doable but I doubt they'll try. Makes you wish they extended the along Burke when they had the chance.

 

 

Well I don't think that the would run a separate service for Burke Avenue, and re-routing either the Bx28 or Bx38 from Gunhill Road is probably unlikely as well, as it appears as if both lines get good usage from my personal observations.  If there were such a bus service, what portion of Burke Avenue would it use, and where would it run to and from?

 

They can't touch the Bx28/38 but it'd be relatively easy to move the Bx30 onto Burke. 

 

 

Burke is too close to either GunHill or Allerton to warrant it's own route plus Burke Av isn't the busiest station in the world so a feeder route to it would generate very little ridership especially when you have the vast number of routes that meet up with the on other east/west streets. The thing that would make more sense for Burke Av residents is a MTA operated route that runs along Boston Road from Fordham to city limits that way that way the Burke Av station can cease to exit due to low ridership and the Boston Rd bus can feed folks to the busier Pelham Parkway station. There's also the Bx28/38 to get folks to Gun Hill Road station and the Bx39 if boarding at Allerton is more convenient. 

 

2 questions:

Do you think Burke's lower ridership due to there being a lack of sizable generators in close proximity or a lack of bus connections to the major generators eastward?

Would Gun Hill have as much ridership if Allerton had a stop?

A Boston Rd route benefits a small portion of Burke and overlaps the Bx16/30 and BL buses. It took decades for that area of the Bronx to get decent subway service and the is still a joke. The community outrage over closing Burke would be nuts. 

[Via Garibaldi 8]

They can't touch the Bx28/38 but it'd be relatively easy to move the Bx30 onto Burke. 

 

 

 

2 questions:

Do you think Burke's lower ridership due to there being a lack of sizable generators in close proximity or a lack of bus connections to the major generators eastward?

Would Gun Hill have as much ridership if Allerton had a stop?

A Boston Rd route benefits a small portion of Burke and overlaps the Bx16/30 and BL buses. It took decades for that area of the Bronx to get decent subway service and the is still a joke. The community outrage over closing Burke would be nuts. 

The problem with the Bx30 is where would it end, and how would it get back onto Gun Hill Road? I imagine you think that a short detour along Burke Avenue would suffice, but I could see it being delayed on White Plains Road.  It may not be such a bad idea to have it take Burke over to Broxwood Avenue and go back over to Gun Hill from there.

 

I agree.  When I use the BxM11, it seems like that stop is a big one, so I have a hard time believing that there wouldn't be a bus that could be used there, in some capacity. It's not the most important street in Pelham Parkway, but it's important enough.

[Q43 Floral Park]

The problem with the Bx30 is where would it end, and how would it get back onto Gun Hill Road? I imagine you think that a short detour along Burke Avenue would suffice, but I could see it being delayed on White Plains Road.  It may not be such a bad idea to have it take Burke over to Broxwood Avenue and go back over to Gun Hill from there.

 

I agree.  When I use the BxM11, it seems like that stop is a big one, so I have a hard time believing that there wouldn't be a bus that could be used there, in some capacity. It's not the most important street in Pelham Parkway, but it's important enough.

 

Boston-Burke-Bronx Bl-E211 St-Olinville-Gun Hill. Gives all of Burke service, doesn't get caught in WPR/Gun Hill traffic and doesn't lose any connections. The Eastbound stop at Olinville Av would have to be moved closer to the Bronx River so the Bx30 can make the left though.

 

Burke Avenue is in Olinville, Laconia or Allerton depending on who you ask but it's well north of the Pelham Pkwy boundary.

[hoodciti]

Burke ave has gotten very busy and populated in the past 5 years i see droves of commuters walking down burke avenue after a train has pulled in as far as boston rd. Bx 30 would be a great solution. Also burke ave at one point did have a bus running on it the Bx8 terminated at burke ave station. Popuation growth caused itss extention north to 228th.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Burke ave has gotten very busy and populated in the past 5 years i see droves of commuters walking down burke avenue after a train has pulled in as far as boston rd. Bx 30 would be a great solution. Also burke ave at one point did have a bus running on it the Bx8 terminated at burke ave station. Popuation growth caused itss extention north to 228th.

Well the Bx8 must run down Bronxwood Avenue for a reason.   That whole area is rather spread out and hilly and remote in parts so re-routing buses here and there could help, but you also have a lot of people who drive so you have to take that into consideration, but that area of Burke Avenue I suppose could use something since it is dense in parts and people rely more on public transit.

[JubaionBx12+SBS]

Ridership at Burke Av is not that strong. For 2014 3,672 average weekday boardings is 346th in the system so we're taking the bottom 20% of stations. It also only grew by 305 boardings over the past five years so we're not talking about unsustainable growth. Dyre Av, Baychester Av and Gun Hill Road on the all have higher ridership and get far less peak hour service than Burke Av . Burke Av is pretty short too. Burke Av also extends from Bronx Blvd to Eastchester Rd which is only 2 miles in length and during those 2 miles it is crossed by 4 corridors with decent bus service. Access to transit along Burke is not a problem in the slightest.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Ridership at Burke Av is not that strong. For 2014 3,672 average weekday boardings is 346th in the system so we're taking the bottom 20% of stations. It also only grew by 305 boardings over the past five years so we're not talking about unsustainable growth. Dyre Av, Baychester Av and Gun Hill Road on the all have higher ridership and get far less peak hour service than Burke Av . Burke Av is pretty short too. Burke Av also extends from Bronx Blvd to Eastchester Rd which is only 2 miles in length and during those 2 miles it is crossed by 4 corridors with decent bus service. Access to transit along Burke is not a problem in the slightest.

lol... Why do you keep looking at subway usage to determine whether or not a bus route along Burke Avenue makes sense? Since when is that used as "the" benchmark?

[JubaionBx12+SBS]

lol... Why do you keep looking at subway usage to determine whether or not a bus route along Burke Avenue makes sense? Since when is that used as "the" benchmark?

Since the OP referred to pedestrian activity around the subway station as the 'cue' that Burke might be able to sustain a bus route. Nearly all residents along Burke are within walking distance of the Bx 8, 28/38, 30, 31, and 39 buses. All of these routes run at least once every 8 minutes during the AM peak and 10 minutes PM peak. A route along Burke itself just is not helpful with the way the NE Bronx is currently served unless the route serves some other streets poorly served by the above routes. 

[Q43 Floral Park]

Since the OP referred to pedestrian activity around the subway station as the 'cue' that Burke might be able to sustain a bus route. Nearly all residents along Burke are within walking distance of the Bx 8, 28/38, 30, 31, and 39 buses. All of these routes run at least once every 8 minutes during the AM peak and 10 minutes PM peak. A route along Burke itself just is not helpful with the way the NE Bronx is currently served unless the route serves some other streets poorly served by the above routes. 

 

 The 5 stops with the lowest ridership north of E 180 all have one thing in common: bad bus connections. Bronx Park E/Baychester Av/Burke/219 only have connections to routes that run parallel the train; Morris Park has no bus connections; the walk from the bus to Bronx Park and Baychester isn't the most aesthetically appealing. The Bx8/31/39 don't really help anyone around Burke get to the train conveniently and going to up to Gun Hill can take longer than walking. 

 

I tried to screenshot the map and failed so hopefully this link works https://goo.gl/maps/r4vmNbT7RFK2. The idea is that a direct bus route (Bx25) will make 3 of those stations more attractive, allow for W/E travel without having to go to Gun Hill or 233 St, provide service to the area south of Baychester and lessen crowding on the Bx28/30/38 between Burke/Gun Hill and Gun Hill/WPR. You can extend the Bx8 to 233/WPR at that point so all of Bronxwood has service.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

 The 5 stops with the lowest ridership north of E 180 all have one thing in common: bad bus connections. Bronx Park E/Baychester Av/Burke/219 only have connections to routes that run parallel the train; Morris Park has no bus connections; the walk from the bus to Bronx Park and Baychester isn't the most aesthetically appealing. The Bx8/31/39 don't really help anyone around Burke get to the train conveniently and going to up to Gun Hill can take longer than walking. 

 

I tried to screenshot the map and failed so hopefully this link works https://goo.gl/maps/r4vmNbT7RFK2. The idea is that a direct bus route (Bx25) will make 3 of those stations more attractive, allow for W/E travel without having to go to Gun Hill or 233 St, provide service to the area south of Baychester and lessen crowding on the Bx28/30/38 between Burke/Gun Hill and Gun Hill/WPR. You can extend the Bx8 to 233/WPR at that point so all of Bronxwood has service.

Forget about the bad connections.  Who in the hell wants to take a shuttle bus to and from 180th street?  It's already a long commute as it is.  I remember last year I had to tutor not to far from the Morris Park/Pelham Gardens area.  I missed the first BxM10 that I planned on taking and notified the person I was meeting with that I would be late.  They said well can you take the subway up here? I said there is no subway (the subway was knocked out or they had that stupid shuttle bus running from 180th on).  I just waited for the next BxM10 and I was only 20 minutes or so late.

[Q43 Floral Park]

Forget about the bad connections.  Who in the hell wants to take a shuttle bus to and from 180th street?  It's already a long commute as it is.  I remember last year I had to tutor not to far from the Morris Park/Pelham Gardens area.  I missed the first BxM10 that I planned on taking and notified the person I was meeting with that I would be late.  They said well can you take the subway up here? I said there is no subway (the subway was knocked out or they had that stupid shuttle bus running from 180th on).  I just waited for the next BxM10 and I was only 20 minutes or so late.

 

The piss poor service on the Dyre Av Line has been a thing since it was connected to E180. I'm not sure how the people up by Dyre and Baychester put up with inconvenience of the never running and not having an express bus with the BxM10 only going up to Boston Rd. 

[hoodciti]

Service in this general area needs improvement.the seems to operate better than the especially during the peak hours. Ive stopped working in Manhattan on a daily basis simply because the commute. And when i go to the city i drive or take the bxm11. Never the subway. Never the .

 

Getting back to Burke Ave. I cant believe there isnt the possibility of a bus route being successful along burke av. I didnt even consider the bx30 but that is a pretty good idea. Or maybe the bx38. And either the route can transverse bronx park like the 26 or rejoin the 28 on gun hill heading west.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Service in this general area needs improvement.the seems to operate better than the especially during the peak hours. Ive stopped working in Manhattan on a daily basis simply because the commute. And when i go to the city i drive or take the bxm11. Never the subway. Never the .

 

Getting back to Burke Ave. I cant believe there isnt the possibility of a bus route being successful along burke av. I didnt even consider the bx30 but that is a pretty good idea. Or maybe the bx38. And either the route can transverse bronx park like the 26 or rejoin the 28 on gun hill heading west.

If you use the BxM11, why would you even care? 

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

If you use the BxM11, why would you even care?

Because not everyone is able to use the express bus to go from place to place. I rarely take the subway either, but that doesn't mean I don't care about imrpovong subway service.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Because not everyone is able to use the express bus to go from place to place. I rarely take the subway either, but that doesn't mean I don't care about imrpovong subway service.

I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about him personally.  I got the impression that he needs the service more than anyone else, hence why he brought it up. I get the other side of it that others may need it.  That's only normal.

[DS4Ever]

Revive the bx25 and have it detour (going west to east) Bronx Park avenue, Burke Ave, Laconia ave then normal route towards Coopcity (vice versa also applies)

[Q43 Floral Park]

Service in this general area needs improvement.the seems to operate better than the especially during the peak hours. Ive stopped working in Manhattan on a daily basis simply because the commute. And when i go to the city i drive or take the bxm11. Never the subway. Never the .

 

Getting back to Burke Ave. I cant believe there isnt the possibility of a bus route being successful along burke av. I didnt even consider the bx30 but that is a pretty good idea. Or maybe the bx38. And either the route can transverse bronx park like the 26 or rejoin the 28 on gun hill heading west.

 It is doable, see what I posted above.

 

 

Revive the bx25 and have it detour (going west to east) Bronx Park avenue, Burke Ave, Laconia ave then normal route towards Coopcity (vice versa also applies)

The main issue here is do we need another route going into Co-op?

[DS4Ever]

THen have the bx25terminate at the end of Gun Hill Road. ..lets be honest the chuck e cheese over there scarce a bus and one must walk 5 blocks. ..the western terminal is a debate as the Paul-205 terminal can only handle two bus routes

[Q43 Floral Park]

THen have the bx25terminate at the end of Gun Hill Road. ..lets be honest the chuck e cheese over there scarce a bus and one must walk 5 blocks. ..the western terminal is a debate as the Paul-205 terminal can only handle two bus routes

 

Paul-205 can handle up to 4 routes (it had the Bx22/25/26/x32 at one point) but is there room to turn a bus at that Home Depot? 

[DS4Ever]

The x32 ran three buses departing towards Bayside, Glen Oaks and Jamaica at 3:40pm...its boarding area was across the street from the condominium

 

The bx25 ran rush hours but yeah it can handle it to terminate at Paul-205...i was looking at the map and at ely avenue there is no access to get into Gun Hill rd. ..i guess another good terminal would be at jacobi hospital or even better at Hutchinson metro ctr going via east chester rd (from alleerton) and go down all the way to Waters Place thus enter Hutchinson MC as jacobi is a short walk from east chester road

Change of mind...have the bx25 serve all of burke avenue and turn at eastchester road to go to Hutchinson M.C.

[aemoreira81]

The problem with the Bx30 is where would it end, and how would it get back onto Gun Hill Road? I imagine you think that a short detour along Burke Avenue would suffice, but I could see it being delayed on White Plains Road.  It may not be such a bad idea to have it take Burke over to Broxwood Avenue and go back over to Gun Hill from there.

 

I agree.  When I use the BxM11, it seems like that stop is a big one, so I have a hard time believing that there wouldn't be a bus that could be used there, in some capacity. It's not the most important street in Pelham Parkway, but it's important enough.

 

Other questions that need to be asked are:

 

1. How many Bx30 customers originating or terminating along Boston Road need the elevator or escalator at Gun Hill Road who cannot use the stairs at Burke Avenue?

2. How many Bx30 customers originating or terminating along Boston Road need to access Montefiore Hospital or North Bronx Central Hospital? 

 

If the answer is significant, then the Bx30 can be routed up White Plains Road back to the station, If the answer is not many, then perhaps the route can be rerouted down Bronx Park East to Kazimiroff and then Bedford Park Boulevard to end by CUNY Lehman, and perhaps even onward to Kingsbridge Road and 225 Street to end at River Plaza in the Bronx, and it would also give northeast Bronx customers true crosstown service to the western Bronx.