R10 2952 Posted February 13, 2016 Share #1 Posted February 13, 2016 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/us/antonin-scalia-death.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news Not going to miss him at all. He was a stubborn ideologue, he was callous in making personal attacks on his peers for disagreeing with him, and generally unprofessional in how he handled himself as a judge on the Supreme Court. And this ain't even a conservative-liberal thing on my part, either. His predecessor, Chief Justice Warren Burger, was also a conservative, but knew how to conduct himself properly and was at least willing to work with people of opposing viewpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted February 14, 2016 Share #2 Posted February 14, 2016 This is a HUGE event for both sides of the aisle, and a chance for someone more moderate (perhaps even liberal) to be appointed to the court. Big victory for civil rights / gay rights / progressive groups, as they can now hope to begin chipping away at the backwards, racist, biased precedent that has been the handiwork of this guy for the last two and a half decades. I could not have wished for a more wonderful birthday present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 14, 2016 Share #3 Posted February 14, 2016 Funny how these "law-abiding" Republicans now want to wait for the next president to swear in the new judge and not follow the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 14, 2016 Share #4 Posted February 14, 2016 Funny how these "law-abiding" Republicans now want to wait for the next president to swear in the new judge and not follow the Constitution. If the Democrats can change things at will, certainly the Republicans should have a chance to do the same. Osama care is the perfect example of the Democrats basically disregarding the law and the opinion of the American people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 14, 2016 Share #5 Posted February 14, 2016 And what in the Constitution did he change? I don't exactly recall the 1st or 2nd Amendment being repealed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 14, 2016 Share #6 Posted February 14, 2016 And what in the Constitution did he change? I don't exactly recall the 1st or 2nd Amendment being repealed... I don't recall him giving the Republicans a chance to have their say on the bill. Osama care was rammed through despite opposition from numerous parties. You sing the same rhetoric when it comes to anyone who isn't a Democrat or a liberal (for the record I am an Independent). God forbid anyone has an opposing view because that just isn't right. Only liberal views are acceptable. You and MVH should form your own party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted February 15, 2016 Share #7 Posted February 15, 2016 If the Democrats can change things at will, certainly the Republicans should have a chance to do the same. Osama care is the perfect example of the Democrats basically disregarding the law and the opinion of the American people. Cool I agree lets repeal this dreaded Osama Care.. What about the millions of people that will go on uninsured? What's your solution for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 15, 2016 Share #8 Posted February 15, 2016 Cool I agree lets repeal this dreaded Osama Care.. What about the millions of people that will go on uninsured? What's your solution for that? "Oh please, that's their own damn fault." We all know VG8 can't come up with a better "solution" than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted February 15, 2016 Share #9 Posted February 15, 2016 "Oh please, that's their own damn fault." We all know VG8 can't come up with a better "solution" than that. Well from someone that is a employer.. And has to shell out to Oxford for employee healthcare.. What validates him to even comment?.. Or would he rather people flood emergency rooms and cause us more costs in taxes in the long run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 15, 2016 Share #10 Posted February 15, 2016 "Oh please, that's their own damn fault." We all know VG8 can't come up with a better "solution" than that. I support a Western European model when it comes to healthcare... Well from someone that is a employer.. And has to shell out to Oxford for employee healthcare.. What validates him to even comment?.. Or would he rather people flood emergency rooms and cause us more costs in taxes in the long run? I happen to work for myself as an consultant/independent contractor on the side, so I can see Osama care from two perspectives... As an employee and someone with his own little side business... There's a lot of Obama supporters out there that are not thrilled with this plan at all. One of my co-workers voted for him and she absolutely hates the plan because her premiums shot up, as she is older. I'm young so I'm not in the same situation. Osama care depends on young people like myself that are healthy to enroll in order for the program to be successful to compensate for those who are older and suffer from various illnesses, and so far the turnout hasn't been all that great. Additionally, Obama promised that with this plan, healthcare would be more affordable. Many argue that under his plan, the prices have risen, so what exactly is so great about this plan? For what it's worth, I had the same Oxford plan years ago and that same plan has gone up considerably under Obama. That was the whole reason Americans didn't have coverage to begin with because it was too expensive for them.... Cool I agree lets repeal this dreaded Osama Care.. What about the millions of people that will go on uninsured? What's your solution for that? It should be repealed, at this point it's unlikely. What about the millions of people that are struggling to pay their premiums? What's your solution for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted February 15, 2016 Share #11 Posted February 15, 2016 The premiums in New York aren't that bad what like +1.8%?. I know it varies from state to state. The avg increase in premiums increased by 5.8% since 2009 I love to know you're source on that and I hope is it not Trump that 35-55% crap! And you know what! blame your government officials for allowing a free market for healthcare. What other civilized country does that? Second stop trying to blame it on the executive branch. If you want America to change the legislative level is where to start some of guys are been in there for decades in seeing multiple commander-in-Chief's come and go. Third egalitarianism,liberty and individualism if this doesn't apply to everybody equally in this country then we need to say that stop being so passive aggressive and stop pushing this hypocritical crap. There's no way forcing people to go to the emergency room for care isn't going to take more tax payer money. 5.8% increase in premiums is nothing in the long run I'd rather prevent it before happens. Healthier people more productive people more tax revenue more money in the economy. VG8 what are you really talking about honestly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted February 15, 2016 Share #12 Posted February 15, 2016 I'm sorry, but it seems you are confusing Obamacare with Osamacare.... The former is a healthcare plan enacted by President Obama with the goal of extending healthcare coverage to more people. The latter involves sending your followers off on missions to fly planes into high value targets like the World Trade Center Towers, killing thousands of innocent people, instilling terror along the way, and hoping to Allah that there are 72 virgins waiting for you in the afterlife. Thanks for playing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 15, 2016 Share #13 Posted February 15, 2016 I'm sorry, but it seems you are confusing Obamacare with Osamacare.... The former is a healthcare plan enacted by President Obama with the goal of extending healthcare coverage to more people. The latter involves sending your followers off on missions to fly planes into high value targets like the World Trade Center Towers, killing thousands of innocent people, instilling terror along the way, and hoping to Allah that there are 72 virgins waiting for you in the afterlife. Thanks for playing though Osamacare=Obamacare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 15, 2016 Share #14 Posted February 15, 2016 The premiums in New York aren't that bad what like +1.8%?. I know it varies from state to state. The avg increase in premiums increased by 5.8% since 2009 I love to know you're source on that and I hope is it not Trump that 35-55% crap! And you know what! blame your government officials for allowing a free market for healthcare. What other civilized country does that? Second stop trying to blame it on the executive branch. If you want America to change the legislative level is where to start some of guys are been in there for decades in seeing multiple commander-in-Chief's come and go. Third egalitarianism,liberty and individualism if this doesn't apply to everybody equally in this country then we need to say that stop being so passive aggressive and stop pushing this hypocritical crap. There's no way forcing people to go to the emergency room for care isn't going to take more tax payer money. 5.8% increase in premiums is nothing in the long run I'd rather prevent it before happens. Healthier people more productive people more tax revenue more money in the economy. VG8 what are you really talking about honestly? It seems as if Trump isn't too far off at all based on various sources: "The bill for the health care expansion is coming due, just as the recipients will be heading to the ballot box to vote in the first primaries for the 2016 election. More than a few are likely to be annoyed. Last week Oregon’s insurance commissioner, Laura Cali, announced that the state had approved a 25 percent premium increase for the largest health insurer on the state’s exchanges. The second largest insurer did even better: It received permission to boost its monthly charge to consumers by 33 percent. Oregon might be the first health insurance exchange equivalent of a penguin getting shoved off an ice floe, but it won’t be alone in the freezing-cold waters for long. For example, BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee requested an average 36 percent price increase for the plans it offers—after receiving a 19 percent bump last year. And that sounds like a relative bargain compared with Minnesota and New Mexico, where the BlueCross BlueShield family is looking for increases of more than 50 percent. Even if the final numbers are lower than the asks, it seems quite likely these states will approve substantive premium increases. Last week Oregon’s insurance commissioner, Laura Cali, announced that the state had approved a 25 percent premium increase for the largest health insurer on the state’s exchanges. The second largest insurer did even better: It received permission to boost its monthly charge to consumers by 33 percent. Oregon might be the first health insurance exchange equivalent of a penguin getting shoved off an ice floe, but it won’t be alone in the freezing-cold waters for long. For example, BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee requested an average 36 percent price increase for the plans it offers—after receiving a 19 percent bump last year. And that sounds like a relative bargain compared with Minnesota and New Mexico, where the BlueCross BlueShield family is looking for increases of more than 50 percent. Even if the final numbers are lower than the asks, it seems quite likely these states will approve substantive premium increases. The problem is simple. As Trudy Lieberman reported this month inHarper’s, the ACA made a decent stab at solving the problem of Americans lacking insurance. Unfortunately, the bargain struck to get the bill to a point where lobbyists for the hospital, insurance, and pharmaceutical industries to sign on, or at least not fight it, did not adequately address the issue of overall medical costs. And that’s where the consumer comes in. Someone is “it,” the party paying the bill. And that “it” is increasingly you, whether you receive insurance on the exchanges or from an employer." Source:http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_bills/2015/07/health_care_premiums_going_up_obamacare_has_been_solidified_but_it_s_failed.html Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/how-affordable-is-the-affordable-care-act-118428 Now I'm sure you're going to argue that ACROSS the board, the premiums won't be 30 - 50% and that only SOME states will see large hikes, but the point is that Osamacare was supposed to be AFFORDABLE to ALL Americans in ALL states. How can you call such a hike "affordable"? Affordable for who? It certainly isn't affordable for working class people or the middle class that's struggling to get by as you like to constantly point out. It's affordable for those who already had insurance. I have the same Oxford plan that I had years ago at a different company, and the cost is quite interesting. It sure as hell hasn't gone down. As for the other folks in here... I doubt any of you (with the exception of Rail Run Rob) actually even pay for your own insurance... Sorry but, having mommy and daddy pay for you doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted February 15, 2016 Share #15 Posted February 15, 2016 It seems as if Trump isn't too far off at all based on various sources: "The bill for the health care expansion is coming due, just as the recipients will be heading to the ballot box to vote in the first primaries for the 2016 election. More than a few are likely to be annoyed. Last week Oregon’s insurance commissioner, Laura Cali, announced that the state had approved a 25 percent premium increase for the largest health insurer on the state’s exchanges. The second largest insurer did even better: It received permission to boost its monthly charge to consumers by 33 percent. Oregon might be the first health insurance exchange equivalent of a penguin getting shoved off an ice floe, but it won’t be alone in the freezing-cold waters for long. For example, BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee requested an average 36 percent price increase for the plans it offers—after receiving a 19 percent bump last year. And that sounds like a relative bargain compared with Minnesota and New Mexico, where the BlueCross BlueShield family is looking for increases of more than 50 percent. Even if the final numbers are lower than the asks, it seems quite likely these states will approve substantive premium increases. Last week Oregon’s insurance commissioner, Laura Cali, announced that the state had approved a 25 percent premium increase for the largest health insurer on the state’s exchanges. The second largest insurer did even better: It received permission to boost its monthly charge to consumers by 33 percent. Oregon might be the first health insurance exchange equivalent of a penguin getting shoved off an ice floe, but it won’t be alone in the freezing-cold waters for long. For example, BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee requested an average 36 percent price increase for the plans it offers—after receiving a 19 percent bump last year. And that sounds like a relative bargain compared with Minnesota and New Mexico, where the BlueCross BlueShield family is looking for increases of more than 50 percent. Even if the final numbers are lower than the asks, it seems quite likely these states will approve substantive premium increases. The problem is simple. As Trudy Lieberman reported this month inHarper’s, the ACA made a decent stab at solving the problem of Americans lacking insurance. Unfortunately, the bargain struck to get the bill to a point where lobbyists for the hospital, insurance, and pharmaceutical industries to sign on, or at least not fight it, did not adequately address the issue of overall medical costs. And that’s where the consumer comes in. Someone is “it,” the party paying the bill. And that “it” is increasingly you, whether you receive insurance on the exchanges or from an employer." Source:http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_bills/2015/07/health_care_premiums_going_up_obamacare_has_been_solidified_but_it_s_failed.html Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/how-affordable-is-the-affordable-care-act-118428 Now I'm sure you're going to argue that ACROSS the board, the premiums won't be 30 - 50% and that only SOME states will see large hikes, but the point is that Osamacare was supposed to be AFFORDABLE to ALL Americans in ALL states. How can you call such a hike "affordable"? Affordable for who? It certainly isn't affordable for working class people or the middle class that's struggling to get by as you like to constantly point out. It's affordable for those who already had insurance. I have the same Oxford plan that I had years ago at a different company, and the cost is quite interesting. It sure as hell hasn't gone down. As for the other folks in here... I doubt any of you (with the exception of Rail Run Rob) actually even pay for your own insurance... Sorry but, having mommy and daddy pay for you doesn't count. So where not going to question why this is happening? Because there less competition in a state the premiums go up 30% while the state next to it had a 1.5% increase? No unification? Why the hell is there a free market for healthcare set up in this way? Why aren't we taking cues from Norway Canada the UK? Having millions of people on uninsured is not an option. People think that there are minorities and immigrants mostly in this number totally untrue. Working class white's take up a big chunk of his numbers as well as the elderly.. Why is healthcare such a big issue and a moneymaker in this country where's that's not the case in other parts the world? You're not answering that question and what would you do with the people that are not sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 15, 2016 Share #16 Posted February 15, 2016 So where not going to question why this is happening? Because there less competition in a state the premiums go up 30% while the state next to it had a 1.5% increase? No unification? Why the hell is there a free market for healthcare set up in this way? Why aren't we taking cues from Norway Canada the UK? Having millions of people on uninsured is not an option. People think that there are minorities and immigrants mostly in this number totally untrue. Working class white's take up a big chunk of his numbers as well as the elderly.. Why is healthcare such a big issue and a moneymaker in this country where's that's not the case in other parts the world? You're not answering that question and what would you do with the people that are not sure? I already answered it earlier. I stated that I favor an European healthcare model. Seems like you're avoiding the facts about Osamacare and it not lowering costs as it was supposed to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted February 15, 2016 Share #17 Posted February 15, 2016 I already answered it earlier. I stated that I favor an European healthcare model. Seems like you're avoiding the facts about Osamacare and it not lowering costs as it was supposed to do... Im not avoiding facts you can't dismantle something until have something to replace it. That's just counterproductive it's a democracy better ideas and solutions should prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted February 16, 2016 Share #18 Posted February 16, 2016 I'm sorry, but it seems you are confusing Obamacare with Osamacare.... The former is a healthcare plan enacted by President Obama with the goal of extending healthcare coverage to more people. The latter involves sending your followers off on missions to fly planes into high value targets like the World Trade Center Towers, killing thousands of innocent people, instilling terror along the way, and hoping to Allah that there are 72 virgins waiting for you in the afterlife. Thanks for playing though Hey...that last sentence is my line (VG8 face) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 16, 2016 Share #19 Posted February 16, 2016 I support a Western European model when it comes to healthcare... I happen to work for myself as an consultant/independent contractor on the side, so I can see Osama care from two perspectives... As an employee and someone with his own little side business... There's a lot of Obama supporters out there that are not thrilled with this plan at all. One of my co-workers voted for him and she absolutely hates the plan because her premiums shot up, as she is older. I'm young so I'm not in the same situation. Osama care depends on young people like myself that are healthy to enroll in order for the program to be successful to compensate for those who are older and suffer from various illnesses, and so far the turnout hasn't been all that great. Additionally, Obama promised that with this plan, healthcare would be more affordable. Many argue that under his plan, the prices have risen, so what exactly is so great about this plan? For what it's worth, I had the same Oxford plan years ago and that same plan has gone up considerably under Obama. That was the whole reason Americans didn't have coverage to begin with because it was too expensive for them.... It should be repealed, at this point it's unlikely. What about the millions of people that are struggling to pay their premiums? What's your solution for that? This is one of the few times I will ever completely agree with you... Obamacare is an unconstitutional mess...Shillary supporting it on the campaign trail is all you need to know about how bad a Hillary presidency would be. I'm beginning to be more worried about a Hillary presidency than a Trump presidency and that's saying something... (FTR I'm voting for Bernie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 16, 2016 Share #20 Posted February 16, 2016 This is one of the few times I will ever completely agree with you... Obamacare is an unconstitutional mess...Shillary supporting it on the campaign trail is all you need to know about how bad a Hillary presidency would be. I'm beginning to be more worried about a Hillary presidency than a Trump presidency and that's saying something... (FTR I'm voting for Bernie) LMAO... You're old enough to vote now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 16, 2016 Share #21 Posted February 16, 2016 LMAO... You're old enough to vote now? 18 in September! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 16, 2016 Share #22 Posted February 16, 2016 18 in September! In September... Even scarier... I won't say why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted February 16, 2016 Share #23 Posted February 16, 2016 I support Bernie and this is a great opportunity to overturn the mess of the Citizens United decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 16, 2016 Share #24 Posted February 16, 2016 What's so scary about it VG8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted February 17, 2016 Share #25 Posted February 17, 2016 I support Bernie and this is a great opportunity to overturn the mess of the Citizens United decision. Bernie, and Hillary have a slim chance of winning. I just don't see how the Democrats are going to surpass the expectations of the first Black President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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