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http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/160418_1000_Transit.pdf

 

B36 (Page 114-116)

Buses remain on Avenue Z in the vicinity of the Sheepshead Bay Station, to start April 24. It is cost-neutral.

 

Q54 (Page 117-121)

Buses to utilize Jamaica Ave to 131 St to Hillside Avenue to Metropolitan Avenue Westbound instead of Metropolitan straight

 

QM Relabeling (Page 132-144)

3 Avenue service for all QM's to be relabeled as follows:

QM31- Fresh Meadows to East Midtown

QM32- Bayside to East Midtown

QM34- Glendale to East Midtown

QM35- Glen Oaks to East Midtown

QM36- Lake Success to East Midtown

QM40- Rego Park to East Midtown

QM42- Forest Hills to East Midtown

QM44- Electchester to East Midtown

 

To be completed in July (QM4, QM24) and September (The rest)

 

Q104 (Page 145-150)

Buses will operate on 49 Street in Woodside instead of 48 Street between Broadway and Northern Blvd Southbound. Northbound service operates via 48 Street instead of Northern Blvd to Newtown Rd. Saves $50,000 annually.

 

Q111/113/114 (Page 151-154)

Buses will have reduced headways throughout the entire day due to conversion to artics in July 2016. Saves $2 million annually.

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Scratching my head on the QM4/QM44. Why not make it QM4/QM34 and QM24/QM44? That's what it seems like according to the rest. I don't know but interesting though.

Even better, make it QM24/QM54. Just add 30 to all of the 3rd ave routes

 

The overall renaming will definitely help for bustime and 3rd party apps.

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Q111/113/1

 

BM5 via Woodhaven

Buses will have reduced headways throughout the entire day due to conversion to artics in July 2016. Saves $2 million annually.

interesting, it includes increases on the q 111 on weekends

 

And based on current ridership levels those buses won't even be 40% full. I don't expect those increases to last long.
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Even better, make it QM24/QM54. Just add 30 to all of the 3rd ave routes

 

The overall renaming will definitely help for bustime and 3rd party apps.

I would have done the relabeling differently

 

Here's how I would relabel the services:

QM1: QM31

QM2: QM23

QM4: QM34

QM5: QM35

QM6: QM36

QM10: QM33

QM12: QM13

QM24: QM26

 

This way you're not using so many higher end numbers when there's many other numbers in between. I don't see the need for such high numbers when there's current numbers within the first 30 that are not filled up. The different notations, such as for the QM2, QM10, and QM12 would make it simple to denote that it is a 3 Avenue branch (because of the "3" at the end). For the others, I filled other numbers that weren't used which somewhat resembles that it is a branch of sorts (the Union Turnpike service I didn't change).

 

I really want to see the Queens bus map after this change, and how (cluttered) it will make the map.

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I would have them renumbered 30 from their position.

 

QM1 --> QM31

QM2 --> QM32

QM4 --> QM34

QM5 --> QM35

QM6 --> QM36

QM10 -- > QM40

QM12 --> QM42

QM24 --> QM54

 

The spaces from the original range would be dedicated to any completely new route, and spaces in the new range to any other variations.

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The B/36 change is a throwback to the original route that it followed when the Southwest Brooklyn Bus Changes occurred in November 1978 and at that time it did not work and the route was changed six months later to operate via East 17th Street into Sheepshead Bay Road, East 15th Street and back to Avenue Z toward Coney Island and Sheepshead Bay Road, East 15th Street and back on Avenue Z toward Nostrand Avenue as the geniuses that implemented the straight Avenue Z route created a new industry where private cars and taxicabs virtually took over the route toward Avenue U which virtually destroyed the entire route. It took many years for the B/36 to come back and for the cars to finally disappear. It took almost a generation for service levels and passenger loads to improve from this disaster.

Now again some paper pusher who knows nothing about the Sheepshead Bay area has found another genius who knows nothing about transit history to implement this idea that should have never seen the light of day. What I think happened is that this change is in line with our illustrious mayor's vision zero as a couple of months ago, a pedestrian was killed at East 17th Street and Avenue Z and the cries from those geniuses panicked the MTA into coming up with this piece of garbage without thinking of the passengers that ride the bus. So we are back to square one with the private cars coming back and dropping the passengers off at the station and the bus service going down the tubes because someone has a vision of something that can never happen in the real world but should be forced upon the rest of us who will ultimately pay the price. 

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Reducing the Q111,113/114 spells disaster especially the Q111

 

It's to adjust to the artics running on those lines, which is normal. They'll likely increase service after time.

 

The same was said about the Q10 when artics were being introduced.

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The B/36 change is a throwback to the original route that it followed when the Southwest Brooklyn Bus Changes occurred in November 1978 and at that time it did not work and the route was changed six months later to operate via East 17th Street into Sheepshead Bay Road, East 15th Street and back to Avenue Z toward Coney Island and Sheepshead Bay Road, East 15th Street and back on Avenue Z toward Nostrand Avenue as the geniuses that implemented the straight Avenue Z route created a new industry where private cars and taxicabs virtually took over the route toward Avenue U which virtually destroyed the entire route. It took many years for the B/36 to come back and for the cars to finally disappear. It took almost a generation for service levels and passenger loads to improve from this disaster.

Now again some paper pusher who knows nothing about the Sheepshead Bay area has found another genius who knows nothing about transit history to implement this idea that should have never seen the light of day. What I think happened is that this change is in line with our illustrious mayor's vision zero as a couple of months ago, a pedestrian was killed at East 17th Street and Avenue Z and the cries from those geniuses panicked the MTA into coming up with this piece of garbage without thinking of the passengers that ride the bus. So we are back to square one with the private cars coming back and dropping the passengers off at the station and the bus service going down the tubes because someone has a vision of something that can never happen in the real world but should be forced upon the rest of us who will ultimately pay the price.

I agree with you ????????. The route is falling apart. Missing runs 24/7, bunching 24/7, buses bypassing stops 24/7, now no direct connection to the train.

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Scratching my head on the QM4/QM44. Why not make it QM4/QM34 and QM24/QM44? That's what it seems like according to the rest. I don't know but interesting though.

 

I was originally thinking to bring back the "A" notations and use those to denote the 3rd Avenue services. I'm not wild about going all the way up to the QM40s-series when there's plenty of lower level numbers to choose from.

 

Checked the proposed Q104 map, I feel that if they are gonna put the northbound at Northern Blvd and Broadway, might as well put the southbound route there too. Feels wrong to have the southbound use 49 St when they don't want the northbound using 48 or 50 street.

 

The northbound will be using 48th Street.

 

Reducing the Q111,113/114 spells disaster especially the Q111

 

It's to adjust to the artics running on those lines, which is normal. They'll likely increase service after time.

 

The same was said about the Q10 when artics were being introduced.

 

Beat me to it.

 

It looks like they want to eliminate a lot of the Farmers short-turns (maybe all the off-peak ones and keep the peak ones), since they mention:

 

These schedules also provide improved service to the outer ends of each route by normalizing service with consistent wait times.

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First the Union expresses get relabled, then the Bronx expresses and now the 3 Av variants. The Q104 change, kind of long overdue. The articulated buses coming to the Brewer routes, long overdue too. I don't think they'll completely eliminate the Farmers short turns on the 111.

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I was originally thinking to bring back the "A" notations and use those to denote the 3rd Avenue services. I'm not wild about going all the way up to the QM40s-series when there's plenty of lower level numbers to choose from.

 

 

The northbound will be using 48th Street.

 

 

 

Beat me to it.

 

It looks like they want to eliminate a lot of the Farmers short-turns (maybe all the off-peak ones and keep the peak ones), since they mention:

 

These schedules also provide improved service to the outer ends of each route by normalizing service with consistent wait times.

The Farmers short turn is actually a GOOD run... It's needed

Considering the fact they killed off the Rochdale Village short turn and sent all those runs to Farmers instead...

Trust me as a avid Guy R Brewer bus rider it helps when nothing is coming down 147th or Rockaway

It gets up the Blvd quick because a lot of people will wait on the limited instead of taking the Q111...

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The Farmers short turn is actually a GOOD run... It's needed

Considering the fact they killed off the Rochdale Village short turn and sent all those runs to Farmers instead...

Trust me as a avid Guy R Brewer bus rider it helps when nothing is coming down 147th or Rockaway

It gets up the Blvd quick because a lot of people will wait on the limited instead of taking the Q111...

Wow! Didn't even realize they killed off those short turns.

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Wow! Didn't even realize they killed off those short turns.

Yep, I remember when they were all day during the PBL days. After the take over, they were reduced to rush hour. Now they're gone. Still could have kept them but they wanted Farmers to be the dominant short trip
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So how much money and time is going to be wasted on these ridiculous QM renames to reprint all the signs and schedules, install them, add in new codes, advertise changes, insert changes to Bustime, etc??? Please, just leave the express service along already, MTA!

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So how much money and time is going to be wasted on these ridiculous QM renames to reprint all the signs and schedules, install them, add in new codes, advertise changes, insert changes to Bustime, etc??? Please, just leave the express service along already, MTA!

 

An operator posted how this issue could've been resolved simply by having the back of the bus scroll "3rd" or "6th", so operators know if they should bother servicing the stop (if the bus in front is running the exact same routing, they might as well save everybody some time and jump to the next stop)

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