JubaionBx12+SBS Posted October 7, 2016 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2016 Truth be told not all of the route using articulated buses are best off with them, so in that case which ones would be better with standard sized buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted October 7, 2016 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2016 Truth be told not all of the route using articulated buses are best off with them, so in that case which ones would be better with standard sized buses? Revert the B44+ SBS back to Limited and run via New York Avenue. Artics need to be on the B41/B46. Not the 44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetSMART45 Posted October 7, 2016 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2016 Sacrebleu! What is this treason against the Mother MTA?!?!???? Second-guessing these things? Why, everything Mother decides is correct! Who is this heretic? Oodles of sarcasm dripping there, just in case some of the throng missed it, but quite an interesting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted October 7, 2016 Share #4 Posted October 7, 2016 The Bx4 and Bx22 can get away with 40 footers most of the time IMO. I think the rest of the artic routes are fine as they are now. But on the flip side, the Bx12's and M15's of the world should have some of these bad boys: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 7, 2016 Share #5 Posted October 7, 2016 The Bx4 and Bx22 can get away with 40 footers most of the time IMO. I think the rest of the artic routes are fine as they are now. But on the flip side, the Bx12's and M15's of the world should have some of these bad boys: Hope you like 10 minute rush hour and 15 minute midday headways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted October 7, 2016 Share #6 Posted October 7, 2016 Hope you like 10 minute rush hour and 15 minute midday headways. nah with routes like the BX12, B46 & Q113/114 you could have them run every 5 min and still be at crush load Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted October 7, 2016 Share #7 Posted October 7, 2016 Revert the B44+ SBS back to Limited and run via New York Avenue. Artics need to be on the B41/B46. Not the 44. I'm going to have to disagree with you there. The SBS should remain just using some 40 footers during the off peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 7, 2016 Share #8 Posted October 7, 2016 M101 and M103 (Not sure about the M102- I never rode that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted October 7, 2016 Share #9 Posted October 7, 2016 M101 and M103 (Not sure about the M102- I never rode that)I'm not so sure about the M101, given that it carries more than the M102 and M103. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted October 7, 2016 Share #10 Posted October 7, 2016 I'm not so sure about the M101, given that it carries more than the M102 and M103. All three of them need artics for a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted October 7, 2016 Share #11 Posted October 7, 2016 I think the M34/M34A should go back to using the 3800s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 7, 2016 Share #12 Posted October 7, 2016 The Bx4 and Bx22 can get away with 40 footers most of the time IMO. I think the rest of the artic routes are fine as they are now. But on the flip side, the Bx12's and M15's of the world should have some of these bad boys: The dwell times with that thing must be enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted October 7, 2016 Share #13 Posted October 7, 2016 The dwell times with that thing must be enormous. That thing probably has 6 or 7 portals. Never mind the turning radius in NYC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78 via Stew Leonards Posted October 7, 2016 Share #14 Posted October 7, 2016 Bx2 could get away with 40 footers at times, so could the M23 and Q44. But here's a list of routes that NEED artics Bx7 Bx10 Bx28 Bx36 Q25 Q34 Bee-Lines 2 4 (exclusively artic) 5 (exclusively artic) 8 13 14 25 42 78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted October 7, 2016 Share #15 Posted October 7, 2016 bx 40/42 b44sbs+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 7, 2016 Share #16 Posted October 7, 2016 That thing probably has 6 or 7 portals. Never mind the turning radius in NYC... In general, double deck buses have terrible dwell time since you have to go down the stairs. Also, if you thought moving to the back of the bus was shitty now, imagine what it would be like in this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted October 7, 2016 Share #17 Posted October 7, 2016 In general, double deck buses have terrible dwell time since you have to go down the stairs. Also, if you thought moving to the back of the bus was shitty now, imagine what it would be like in this thing. Agreed with you on both points. Probably why the Astromega didn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted October 7, 2016 Share #18 Posted October 7, 2016 The Bx4 and Bx22 can get away with 40 footers most of the time IMO. I think the rest of the artic routes are fine as they are now. But on the flip side, the Bx12's and M15's of the world should have some of these bad boys: Run that on the S42. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted October 8, 2016 Share #19 Posted October 8, 2016 I'm going to have to disagree with you there. The SBS should remain just using some 40 footers during the off peak. B44 and B46 would be better off swapping fleet IMO That double decker bus (if the turning radius wasn't an issue) could be used for like a super SBS where stops are 25-50 blocks apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted October 9, 2016 Share #20 Posted October 9, 2016 Bee-Lines 2 4 (exclusively artic) 5 (exclusively artic) 8 13 14 25 42 78 On high headways like those on most Bee Line routes, more frequent service should always be used to increase capacity before you even think about adding artics. Run those some of those routes every 10-15 minutes instead of 30-60 minutes and your crowding problems will go away fast. The only routes that should really be running artics would be the #20, and maybe the routes between the and Getty Square. Run that on the S42. Not sure what the joke is referring to. The turns, or the relatively low ridership of the S42. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted October 10, 2016 Share #21 Posted October 10, 2016 Bx2 could get away with 40 footers at times, so could the M23 and Q44. But here's a list of routes that NEED artics Bx7 Bx10 Bx28 Bx36 Q25 Q34 The Q46 from my experience is packed and could really use artics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted October 10, 2016 Share #22 Posted October 10, 2016 The Q46 from my experience is packed and could really use artics.He's also missing: Bx13 M31/57 (During rush hours) M66 M100 Q30 (Rush hours) Q60 To name a few. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted October 10, 2016 Share #23 Posted October 10, 2016 He's also missing: Bx13 M31/57 (During rush hours) M66 M100 Q30 (Rush hours) Q60 To name a few. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Q30...ehh, it kinda empties out at Union Turnpike and a bit further north. No need. Q60, no need, especially with how bad they tend to bunch at times. M100, they occassionally run artics. M66, no need, same reason as the Q60. M31/M57, they used to run artics on the M31 every now and then, but because of the route swaps and such, that doesn't happen anymore. I think it was because of the increase in trips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 10, 2016 Share #24 Posted October 10, 2016 Based on ridership, there are really no routes that need to be converted back to standard 40 foot buses. B44+ needs to stay as is. B46+ needs to stay as is and the local needs artics bad. B41 service is so down right horribly bad right now that artics are not needed and will not help the situation. The line needs to be restructured. Adding artics will increase headways on a route anyone who rides regularly like myself tries to avoid like the plague. Q44 frequently use 40 footers over night. M23 uses 40 footers at times as well. Bx2 needs to stay artic because it's interlined with the Bx1. Bx39 does not need artics at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted October 10, 2016 Share #25 Posted October 10, 2016 Based on ridership, there are really no routes that need to be converted back to standard 40 foot buses. B44+ needs to stay as is. B46+ needs to stay as is and the local needs artics bad. B41 service is so down right horribly bad right now that artics are not needed and will not help the situation. The line needs to be restructured. Adding artics will increase headways on a route anyone who rides regularly like myself tries to avoid like the plague. Q44 frequently use 40 footers over night. M23 uses 40 footers at times as well. Bx2 needs to stay artic because it's interlined with the Bx1. Bx39 does not need artics at night. How would you restructure B41 service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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