Future ENY OP Posted October 22, 2016 Share #1 Posted October 22, 2016 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/city-bus-fatally-strikes-woman-financial-district-article-1.2840271 Apparently the bus in question is 3190 from College Point Depot traveling on the QM7 to Fresh Meadows. Source: New York Daily News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotti109 Posted October 22, 2016 Share #2 Posted October 22, 2016 Oh wow, crazy. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted October 22, 2016 Share #3 Posted October 22, 2016 Very sad for both victim and the driver. Hopefully, they dismiss the charges shouldn't be arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted October 22, 2016 Share #4 Posted October 22, 2016 Reminds me of a thing from about six years ago where a guy got hit and killed by a van in Corona in the very early morning and dragged across half of Brooklyn-Queens (including the BQE) until someone in Coney Island told the driver there was something under the axle. Gruesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 22, 2016 Share #5 Posted October 22, 2016 Reminds me of a thing from about six years ago where a guy got hit and killed by a van in Corona in the very early morning and dragged across half of Brooklyn-Queens (including the BQE) until someone in Coney Island told the driver there was something under the axle. Gruesome. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 22, 2016 Share #6 Posted October 22, 2016 Very sad for both victim and the driver. Hopefully, they dismiss the charges shouldn't be arrested. Do you have any basis whatsoever to that statement? And how on earth is it sad for the driver--who messed up a turn and killed somebody--anywhere the same way as it's sad for the victim--who is dead and will never see her friends or family again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted October 22, 2016 Share #7 Posted October 22, 2016 So terrible. But how do they know the B/O failed to yield? Perhaps the woman ran into the street after the bus started making a turn or something like that and the B/O couldn't see her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted October 22, 2016 Share #8 Posted October 22, 2016 So terrible. But how do they know the B/O failed to yield? Perhaps the woman ran into the street after the bus started making a turn or something like that and the B/O couldn't see her? That's what I'm saying. Shouldn't have arrested him on the spot. Suspended him with pay and waited for proper investigation. Tired of B/O's being treated like criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 22, 2016 Share #9 Posted October 22, 2016 So terrible. But how do they know the B/O failed to yield? Perhaps the woman ran into the street after the bus started making a turn or something like that and the B/O couldn't see her? That's what I'm saying. Shouldn't have arrested him on the spot. Suspended him with pay and waited for proper investigation. Tired of B/O's being treated like criminals. Maybe they have an eyewitness account. Maybe they are aware the B/O turned on a green light. Neither of you have evidence that the B/O did not fail to yield. B/Os have not been treated like criminals; criminals have been treated like criminals, which is exactly fair. I want the best treatment of city transit employees possible, and I think they get a raw deal in a whole lot of ways and need a lot more respect from the public. But traffic rules are traffic rules, and some of these ops who have run down people in the crosswalk on the green lights have, put bluntly, messed up, and slap on the the wrist those guys have gotten is nothing compared to the penalty of death for the people they've hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted October 22, 2016 Share #10 Posted October 22, 2016 Do you have any basis whatsoever to that statement? And how on earth is it sad for the driver--who messed up a turn and killed somebody--anywhere the same way as it's sad for the victim--who is dead and will never see her friends or family again? The driver was a well tenured vet . Its wrong to treat him like a criminal and have him sit in jail when the facts aren't even in yet. f*ck vision zero. Maybe they have an eyewitness account. Maybe they are aware the B/O turned on a green light. Neither of you have evidence that the B/O did not fail to yield. B/Os have not been treated like criminals; criminals have been treated like criminals, which is exactly fair. I want the best treatment of city transit employees possible, and I think they get a raw deal in a whole lot of ways and need a lot more respect from the public. But traffic rules are traffic rules, and some of these ops who have run down people in the crosswalk on the green lights have, put bluntly, messed up, and slap on the the wrist those guys have gotten is nothing compared to the penalty of death for the people they've hit. It would probably be reported. Remember the hit and run in Brooklyn a year or 2 ago. They had the video playing for a half hour. This guy had no wrongful intent and if you knew him personally you'd know he doesnt deserve the treatment hes getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted October 22, 2016 Very sad for both victim and the driver. Hopefully, they dismiss the charges shouldn't be arrested. Problem is there are certain areas in the Financial District that you MUST yield to Pedx. Some eyewitness accounts state that the woman got hit and was dragged a few blocks on Trinity Place near Rector. That area is very problematic. There are buses that tend to fly at a high rate of speed during the rush hour. Especially the deadhead buses heading to the downtown terminals on Park Place. There is no good outcome to this. Also, there needs to be a stance to where pedestrians need to walk on the crosswalk correctly, and stop jaywalking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 22, 2016 Share #12 Posted October 22, 2016 The driver was a well tenured vet . Its wrong to treat him like a criminal and have him sit in jail when the facts aren't even in yet. f*ck vision zero. It would probably be reported. Remember the hit and run in Brooklyn a year or 2 ago. They had the video playing for a half hour. This guy had no wrongful intent and if you knew him personally you'd know he doesnt deserve the treatment hes getting. I couldn't care less that the guy was a 'nice guy.' You know who else was probably nice? The dead woman he killed. This is such a stupid angle. Yeah, you can have no wrongful intent, but if you hit the gas instead of the brake and maim some schoolchildren, you still made a mistake which has consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 22, 2016 Share #13 Posted October 22, 2016 I just don't understand how you run over someone and not realize it and then keep driving for blocks. That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted October 23, 2016 Share #14 Posted October 23, 2016 Maybe they have an eyewitness account. Maybe they are aware the B/O turned on a green light. Neither of you have evidence that the B/O did not fail to yield. B/Os have not been treated like criminals; criminals have been treated like criminals, which is exactly fair. I want the best treatment of city transit employees possible, and I think they get a raw deal in a whole lot of ways and need a lot more respect from the public. But traffic rules are traffic rules, and some of these ops who have run down people in the crosswalk on the green lights have, put bluntly, messed up, and slap on the the wrist those guys have gotten is nothing compared to the penalty of death for the people they've hit. Let me be a bit more clear...since the woman was pinned in the rear wheels rather than the front wheels and the B/O had no idea what happened, it makes me think that perhaps the woman went into the crosswalk after the bus was already in the intersection. I'd like to see the full investigative report. This is another example of why the MTA should have put the blind spot sensors on buses years ago rather than just starting to pilot test them now. I just don't understand how you run over someone and not realize it and then keep driving for blocks. That's ridiculous. It's not that crazy...a person is basically a 150 pound bag of water and bones. Compared to the weight of an MCI, and the fact that the B/O sits so far away from the back of the bus, it's not that surprising. I've been in the rear of a QM5 where a van smacked into the rear of the bus and the B/O had no idea until the van driver ran over to the doors and banged on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted October 23, 2016 Share #15 Posted October 23, 2016 The Daily News now says the driver only received a summons. So is he arrested or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #16 Posted October 23, 2016 The Daily News now says the driver only received a summons. So is he arrested or not? That's an UPDATE to the story from earlier Saturday. Looks like the most serious charges could be dropped b/c he stayed on the scene and only receiving the DAT to appear at 100 Centre. The worse this could only get is a reckless driving ticket with 5 points on the license. Punishable as a misdemeanor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted October 23, 2016 Share #17 Posted October 23, 2016 “They kept saying it was a prank,” said Sobeida Cortorreal. “I said it doesn’t look like a prank, it looks human.” As disgusting (or cynical) as this might sound, I'm beginning to believe this line of thinking is nothing more than an excuse.... i.e., I don't want to do or say anything, so I'll simply say it's a prank, it's a prank - which'll justify (in their eyes) any inaction.... ....it makes me think that perhaps the woman went into the crosswalk after the bus was already in the intersection Exact scenario that came to mind.... It's not that crazy...a person is basically a 150 pound bag of water and bones. Compared to the weight of an MCI, and the fact that the B/O sits so far away from the back of the bus, it's not that surprising. I've been in the rear of a QM5 where a van smacked into the rear of the bus and the B/O had no idea until the van driver ran over to the doors and banged on them I would take *surprising" out of it.... Would you compare it to running over the corner of a curb (or any part of the curb/sidewalk) as the bus is making a wide turn? Because if that's the case, that is clearly noticeable to me (even) when I'm sitting more towards the front of a bus... You feel the "hump" (don't know how else to describe it) as it's happening.... And with my luck, it tends to happen whenever I'm on the laptop, or in the middle of drinking something.... I couldn't care less that the guy was a 'nice guy.' You know who else was probably nice? The dead woman he killed. This is such a stupid angle. Yeah, you can have no wrongful intent, but if you hit the gas instead of the brake and maim some schoolchildren, you still made a mistake which has consequences. Agreed.... He's going too far with the brotherhood bit.... It's as if a bus op can do no wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted October 23, 2016 Share #18 Posted October 23, 2016 Just to add on isn't this also the 2nd major incident from a CP coach this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #19 Posted October 23, 2016 Just to add on isn't this also the 2nd major incident from a CP coach this year? Sounds accurate... 1st on was on the FDR drive I believe.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted October 23, 2016 Share #20 Posted October 23, 2016 I do not know which wheel the pedestrian was under, but I wonder if the pedestrian crossed right in front of the bus as it was just about to start. Because if that is the case, she would be very difficult to see unless the operator is looking directly down instead of ahead of him. I am not making excuses for the driver because I do not have the facts, but people need to realize this and NEVER cross the street right in front of the bus. They need to allow at least five feet. I am aware this is a problem because when riding a bus in midtown once, I was looking out the front window and saw how difficult it is too see pedestrians right in front of the bus. Luckily, the operator did see the person crossing that I almost missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted October 23, 2016 Share #21 Posted October 23, 2016 That's why our Downtown buses were horrifically late. I actually thought it was a Spring Creek bus at first. Always hated doing that route to Lower Manhattan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted October 23, 2016 Share #22 Posted October 23, 2016 I do not know which wheel the pedestrian was under, but I wonder if the pedestrian crossed right in front of the bus as it was just about to start. Because if that is the case, she would be very difficult to see unless the operator is looking directly down instead of ahead of him. I am not making excuses for the driver because I do not have the facts, but people need to realize this and NEVER cross the street right in front of the bus. They need to allow at least five feet. I am aware this is a problem because when riding a bus in midtown once, I was looking out the front window and saw how difficult it is too see pedestrians right in front of the bus. Luckily, the operator did see the person crossing that I almost missed. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted October 24, 2016 Share #23 Posted October 24, 2016 Sounds accurate... 1st on was on the FDR drive I believe.. I know it's not right to directly blame anyone, in this situation, mostly because I feel that both parties are at some fault. However, I've never been too fond of CP drivers, rarely do I feel safe with their drivers, and this kinda re-enforces it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 24, 2016 Share #24 Posted October 24, 2016 I know it's not right to directly blame anyone, in this situation, mostly because I feel that both parties are at some fault. However, I've never been too fond of CP drivers, rarely do I feel safe with their drivers, and this kinda re-enforces it I remember that one morning I was walking to catch the Q88 at QCM because I was not going to make the Q38. I'm crossing the entrance ramp onto the LIE from Woodhaven, and from a distance I see a QM1 on the way. I was already in the designated crosswalk, so the guy should have seen me. The guy did not slow down, and was coming somewhat fast, so I actually had to rush to the other side so I don't get hit (and I wasn't taking any chances), and lemme tell you, I barely made it (I wasn't even walking slow from the beginning). I don't know if he didn't see me, or if he did that on purpose, but either way, not cool. I hate crossing over there because some vehicles don't slow down for you (some actually do). Whenever I see a vehicle that's not such a far distance from the crosswalk, I just wait. I wouldn't hold all CP operators to that standard though. There's many who actually follow the rules, and are fully aware of their surroundings while driving at a reasonable speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted October 24, 2016 Share #25 Posted October 24, 2016 I remember that one morning I was walking to catch the Q88 at QCM because I was not going to make the Q38. I'm crossing the entrance ramp onto the LIE from Woodhaven, and from a distance I see a QM1 on the way. I was already in the designated crosswalk, so the guy should have seen me. The guy did not slow down, and was coming somewhat fast, so I actually had to rush to the other side so I don't get hit (and I wasn't taking any chances), and lemme tell you, I barely made it (I wasn't even walking slow from the beginning). I don't know if he didn't see me, or if he did that on purpose, but either way, not cool. I hate crossing over there because some vehicles don't slow down for you (some actually do). Whenever I see a vehicle that's not such a far distance from the crosswalk, I just wait. I wouldn't hold all CP operators to that standard though. There's many who actually follow the rules, and are fully aware of their surroundings while driving at a reasonable speed. That particular crosswalk always concerns me. People are flying onto/off of the LIE and few people cross it most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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