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    #1 R32 3671

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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 02:05 PM

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    An MTA board member wants A trains to serve both the East & West
    ends of the Rockaways at all times, saying that would be a boon to

    beachgoers & residents.

    A trains now serve only the east end, except for a few during rush hours,

    forcing passengers to change to a shuttle at Broad Channel.

    Andrew Albert wants half the A trains to go to the east end; the others to the west.

    Service to Lefferts Boulevard would be provided by extending the C line from Euclid Avenue.

    The change would benefit beachgoers and area residents, said Albert, adding he’s trying
    to convince his fellow board members.

     

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    #2 ShadeJay

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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 03:06 PM

    I feel there are not enough trains to meet this proposal. If the Rockaway (S) is replaced by the (A), then we definitely need a lot more cars.
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    #3 Cait Sith

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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 03:08 PM

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    Looks like someone has been reading this forum, or some of the facebook group posts.

     

    LEAVE THE (A) AT LEFFERTS!

    Or at the very least, eliminate the shuttle, rename the Lefferts Blvd branch as the (K) and have the (A) serve The Rockaways at all times.

    Keep the damn © where it's at, all those (A) trains that come from The Rockaways get crowded at Rockaway Blvd as it is, could you imagine what would happen when people have to TRANSFER!?

    If anything, this could inadvertently increase express bus ridership!

     

     

    I feel there are not enough trains to meet this proposal. If the Rockaway  (S) is replaced by the  (A), then we definitely need a lot more cars.

     
    If they do some swaps, in theory, they could have enough. The extra trains from the shuttle would add to the fold.

    Edited by Cait Sith, 12 November 2016 - 03:10 PM.

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    #4 R10 2952

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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 03:24 PM

    This is what should've been done back in 1993; Lefferts one-seaters need to put a sock in it.  Completely ridiculous for one line to have three different southern branches.  Alternatively, maybe they should just reactivate the upper part of the Rockaway Beach branch and tie it in to the Queens Blvd subway- that way (A) trains could avoid the Rockaways altogether.


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    #5 paulrivera

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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 03:58 PM

    Ideally, I would love an (A) Far Rockaway and an (A) Rockaway Park Branch (replacing the shuttle,) with the © going to Lefferts solely for the fact that it would result in a consistent 10 minute headway to Aqueduct and Howard Beach-JFK (Lefferts too, but that train would be making local stops, which is why this proposal always gets shot down whenever the (MTA) proposes it.)

     

    Can we swap the <A> RPK service to serve Lefferts instead to placate them?


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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 04:22 PM

    The question comes down to which community has the political clout and that will be how the final decision will be made.

    MTA Board members can suggest but the final decision will be a political decision or in other words, leave it the way it is.


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    #7 Q44SBS

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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 04:59 PM

    The question comes down to which community has the political clout and that will be how the final decision will be made.

    MTA Board members can suggest but the final decision will be a political decision or in other words, leave it the way it is.

    Chances are, Lefferts Boulevard riders will end up stuck with a local-only train if the © ever gets extended there, which leads to yet another problem: massive congestion at Rockaway Boulevard, already the most overcrowded station in Ozone Park. In other words, © riders will cause unnecessary overcrowding on the Brooklyn-bound platform just to transfer to the express (A), and if that train is already packed with Rockaway riders, then there's a big issue here.


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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 06:31 PM


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    Keep the damn © where it's at, all those (A) trains that come from The Rockaways get crowded at Rockaway Blvd as it is, could you imagine what would happen when people have to TRANSFER!?


    The only Lefferts riders who HAVE to transfer are the ones going past 168, which I bet is nil. There's no law that riders HAVE to switch to an express at the first available opportunity, and in many cases it will actually waste more time waiting for the A than staying on the C.

    The C to Lefferts means consistent 10 minute service. Right now only getting half of the A means at best 15 min headways and up to 30! What's the point of waiting 25 minutes for a train that knocks 5 minutes off the Fulton St run?

    Ozone Park riders need to be educated on how the local isn't the end of the world, similar to how Queens Blvd riders were taught to ride the V when that was introduced.....
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    #9 Cait Sith

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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 07:06 PM

    The only Lefferts riders who HAVE to transfer are the ones going past 168, which I bet is nil. There's no law that riders HAVE to switch to an express at the first available opportunity, and in many cases it will actually waste more time waiting for the A than staying on the C.

    The C to Lefferts means consistent 10 minute service. Right now only getting half of the A means at best 15 min headways and up to 30! What's the point of waiting 25 minutes for a train that knocks 5 minutes off the Fulton St run?

    Ozone Park riders need to be educated on how the local isn't the end of the world, similar to how Queens Blvd riders were taught to ride the V when that was introduced.....


    Telling folks to take a local over an express is generally a hard selling point no matter where it's happening, that's a fact. When the N went local in Manhattan when the W was first axed, people didn't like that at all, even though it was only 4-5 extra stops.

    Realistically, folks will end up transferring at Rockaway Blvd for the A, which will end up causing issues in the long run such as congestion and crowding issues at Rockaway Blvd, Broadway Junction and at Euclid Avenue especially with the consistency(or the inconsistency) of those headways. And 9 out of of 10 times, that A will likely pass the C along the way. It's the AM rush I'm more concerned with, the PM rush, people will continue to do what they do now.

    10 minute headways is a nice bump up, but to tell folks to take a local over an express is a tough sell for anyone.

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    Edited by Cait Sith, 12 November 2016 - 08:32 PM.

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    #10 Around the Horn

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    Posted 12 November 2016 - 07:24 PM

    I think under this plan, the (A) intervals that operate from Dyckman and 168 to Rockaway Park in the PM and from Rockaway Park in the AM should operate to Lefferts instead.


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