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    #1 RailRunRob

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    Posted 07 January 2017 - 10:34 PM

    Don't know if you guys saw this. But what are your thoughts on these plans?

     

     

    http://library.rpa.o...Ride-to-JFK.pdf


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    #2 BM5 via Woodhaven Bl

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    Posted 07 January 2017 - 10:54 PM

    Don't know if you guys saw this. But what are your thoughts on these plans?

     

     

    http://library.rpa.o...Ride-to-JFK.pdf

    Interesting plans.

     

    While extending the Airtrain to Penn might be the least expensive option, I don't know how feasible it is, given how it will run alongside the LIRR.

     

    As for the LIRR proposal, IDK how passengers in Nassau and Suffolk would feel if resources are going towards commuting folks within City Limits. I mean, this occurs during the racing season at Belmont, but this would be to a much bigger extent. While Queens and Brooklyn are part of Long Island, the LIRR has always focused on commuters on suburban Long Island (Nassau and Suffolk). However, I would be for it, especially since it uses the Rockaway Beach Branch (in which several stops can be added to also provide service to Penn Station along the Rockaway Beach Branch, perhaps one at Metropolitan Avenue, and one at Atlantic Avenue, before shifting for Howard Beach). I don't know if the residents who opposed the subway would oppose the LIRR service, despite it being less frequent though.


    Edited by BM5 via Woodhaven Bl, 07 January 2017 - 10:58 PM.

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    #3 Around the Horn

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    Posted 07 January 2017 - 11:37 PM

    Don't know if you guys saw this. But what are your thoughts on these plans?

     

     

    http://library.rpa.o...Ride-to-JFK.pdf

    *cough* 2nd Avenue Subway phase 3 *cough*

     

    If this is what they need to get phase 3 on the table, then by all means build!


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    #4 HenryB

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    Posted 07 January 2017 - 11:43 PM

    Why not extend SAS from phase 4, especially AECOM asks for new subway line to Red Hook 

     

    (and so they have a reason to complete the whole SAS  :rolleyes:)


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    #5 bobtehpanda

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    Posted 08 January 2017 - 12:26 AM

    Any "one-seat-ride" to JFK has always had two problems;

     

    • The circular layout of JFK's terminals means that a train of subway or LIRR length can only really serve one terminal, maybe two. So the vast majority of people are still going to transfer to the AirTrain.
    • The Passenger Facilities Charge that funded the AirTrain and that would probably fund this can only be used on train lines that serve only the airport and major transportation hubs, which means to say that there can be no local stops along any such rail line built using that money. So express service on the RBB, or Atlantic, or SAS means dedicating those tracks to an express service to midtown, which quite frankly is a huge waste of money.

    There is also something to be said about prioritizing the needs of a few monied travelers who already have rail options to airports over the everyday commuter pressed against the walls of our overcrowded subway trains, to say nothing of those everyday commuters who then have to schlep onto a bus for the next hour of their journey.


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    #6 RailRunRob

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    Posted 08 January 2017 - 12:32 AM

    Any "one-seat-ride" to JFK has always had two problems;

     

    • The circular layout of JFK's terminals means that a train of subway or LIRR length can only really serve one terminal, maybe two. So the vast majority of people are still going to transfer to the AirTrain.
    • The Passenger Facilities Charge that funded the AirTrain and that would probably fund this can only be used on train lines that serve only the airport and major transportation hubs, which means to say that there can be no local stops along any such rail line built using that money. So express service on the RBB, or Atlantic, or SAS means dedicating those tracks to an express service to midtown, which quite frankly is a huge waste of money.

    There is also something to be said about prioritizing the needs of a few monied travelers who already have rail options to airports over the everyday commuter pressed against the walls of our overcrowded subway trains, to say nothing of those everyday commuters who then have to schlep onto a bus for the next hour of their journey.

    Good points!


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    #7 Trainmaster5

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    Posted 08 January 2017 - 01:00 AM

    Wasn't the Rockaway Beach Branch the "original " one seat ride to Idlewild ( JFK) airport along with some LIRR trains from Flatbush Avenue? I'm speaking of those trains that didn't require a change at Ozone Park that continued on to the Rockaways. I know that the airport was opened before the RBB was truncated and finally shut down. Just curious. I was aware of the airport surcharge and the restrictions on the Airtrain but often wondered about the viability of the line as an alternative way of traveling to and from Manhattan. Carry on.
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    #8 RR503

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    Posted 08 January 2017 - 01:19 AM

    Interesting plans.
     
    While extending the Airtrain to Penn might be the least expensive option, I don't know how feasible it is, given how it will run alongside the LIRR.
     
    As for the LIRR proposal, IDK how passengers in Nassau and Suffolk would feel if resources are going towards commuting folks within City Limits. I mean, this occurs during the racing season at Belmont, but this would be to a much bigger extent. While Queens and Brooklyn are part of Long Island, the LIRR has always focused on commuters on suburban Long Island (Nassau and Suffolk). However, I would be for it, especially since it uses the Rockaway Beach Branch (in which several stops can be added to also provide service to Penn Station along the Rockaway Beach Branch, perhaps one at Metropolitan Avenue, and one at Atlantic Avenue, before shifting for Howard Beach). I don't know if the residents who opposed the subway would oppose the LIRR service, despite it being less frequent though.


    The LIRR Main has a good amount of cap, and tunnel cap will become available with east side access.
    I prefer SAS extension though; the Atlantic branch really should be a subway line.
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    #9 HenryB

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    Posted 08 January 2017 - 02:45 AM

    Interesting. 

    Btw you could ask AECOM to fund the East River crossing  B-), since they want something going to Red Hook

     

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    Edited by HenryB, 08 January 2017 - 02:48 AM.

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    #10 Union Tpke

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    Posted 08 January 2017 - 07:47 AM

    Interesting. 

    Btw you could ask AECOM to fund the East River crossing  B-), since they want something going to Red Hook

     

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    Have one SAS service run via the Fulton Street Line, and the other via Utica Avenue.


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