46Dover Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share #151 Posted April 25, 2017 Why rush hours only? I think the demand for midday and early evening express service is there, both for (Culver express) and . Yes, it certainly can. It'll just result in less service at the local stations between Church and Jay. And between the local and the , there will still be relatively frequent service at those stops. If they can schedule northbound G's to meet up with the expresses at 7th Ave, that would cut down on the number of riders who would be impacted by the loss of half the F's. Maybe this time it'll work. You think the and are ready for prime time? I just thought they would be broken in for rush hour work a'la the evolution of the which started life as a rush hour peak operation and would eventually evolve into the today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted April 25, 2017 Share #152 Posted April 25, 2017 Why rush hours only? I think the demand for midday and early evening express service is there, both for (Culver express) and . Aren't the current express tracks only operable in one direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted April 25, 2017 Share #153 Posted April 25, 2017 Aren't the current express tracks only operable in one direction? Only south of Church Avenue. North of Church Avenue, there are (apparently) no problems with operating express service in both directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 25, 2017 Share #154 Posted April 25, 2017 Only south of Church Avenue. North of Church Avenue, there are (apparently) no problems with operating express service in both directions. The CI bound express track is used for CBTC testing. So there is a problem there. That track is how they qualify suppliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 25, 2017 Share #155 Posted April 25, 2017 I thought they used only the middle track on the el south of Church Ave for CBTC testing. I'm sure they could implement express service between Church and Jay in both directions and still do CBTC testing south of Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 25, 2017 Share #156 Posted April 25, 2017 I thought they used only the middle track on the el south of Church Ave for CBTC testing. I'm sure they could implement express service between Church and Jay in both directions and still do CBTC testing south of Church. They never did IIRC. I've only ever seen it testing north of Church and the board meetings of the past concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 25, 2017 Share #157 Posted April 25, 2017 Yeah the Coney Island bound track North of Church is also fitted for testing. 8313-8316 was testing there a while back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted April 25, 2017 Share #158 Posted April 25, 2017 I've seen/been on trains run on it so idk what the deal there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 25, 2017 Share #159 Posted April 25, 2017 I've seen/been on trains run on it so idk what the deal there is. They likely cancel for G.O. purposes. For a permanent non-rush hour change though? That would stall vendor qualification tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted April 25, 2017 Share #160 Posted April 25, 2017 When trains are late they get routed down the express tracks to make up for lost time (for example, this happened today.) Maybe CBTC testing can be kept to late nights and weekends at this particular location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 27, 2017 Share #161 Posted April 27, 2017 When trains are late they get routed down the express tracks to make up for lost time (for example, this happened today.) Maybe CBTC testing can be kept to late nights and weekends at this particular location? That usually happens during Rush Hours though. Leaving the tests to nights and weekends could potentially get in the way of GOs and thus would need to be cancelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted April 27, 2017 Share #162 Posted April 27, 2017 The CI bound express track is used for CBTC testing. So there is a problem there. That track is how they qualify suppliers.testing can occur on middays and the track can be given back for express service during the rush hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 27, 2017 Share #163 Posted April 27, 2017 testing can occur on middays and the track can be given back for express service during the rush hour Please read the subsequent posts before you try to correct me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted April 27, 2017 Share #164 Posted April 27, 2017 I thought they used the Sea Beach express track for testing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted April 27, 2017 Share #165 Posted April 27, 2017 I thought they used the Sea Beach express track for testing? They did. But now it is in regular service for Manhattan bound Trains and in a few month(s), CI bound trains so you can no longer use that track until late 2018. (Sea Beach station rehab.) Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted April 27, 2017 Share #166 Posted April 27, 2017 If a new test track is needed to replace the Sea Beach one, the Rockaway line's express tracks could work since they are mostly unused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted April 27, 2017 Share #167 Posted April 27, 2017 Why not use the Broadway express track between Dyckman and 242 St for CBTC testing? (Asked for trivia purposes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted April 27, 2017 Share #168 Posted April 27, 2017 Why not use the Broadway express track between Dyckman and 242 St for CBTC testing? (Asked for trivia purposes) You do realized thats the IRT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 27, 2017 Share #169 Posted April 27, 2017 Why not use the Broadway express track between Dyckman and 242 St for CBTC testing? (Asked for trivia purposes) Please tell me you were joking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted April 28, 2017 Share #170 Posted April 28, 2017 You do realized thats the IRT. So the Broadway end of the 7th Av Line can't use IND spec trains on the express even though it's connected to the 207th St yard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted April 28, 2017 Share #171 Posted April 28, 2017 So the Broadway end of the 7th Av Line can't use IND spec trains on the express even though it's connected to the 207th St yard?Nope. Main problem is the stop arm is on opposite sides of the train trucks with both divisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted April 28, 2017 Share #172 Posted April 28, 2017 Nope. Main problem is the stop arm is on opposite sides of the train trucks with both divisions I was always under the impression IND/BMT spec couldn't be used in IRT tunnels but that outdoor could work with platform shaving (Ie Astoria Line). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted April 28, 2017 Share #173 Posted April 28, 2017 I was always under the impression IND/BMT spec couldn't be used in IRT tunnels but that outdoor could work with platform shaving (Ie Astoria Line).Astoria and a few other el lines were built under the Dual Contracts. But today, the signals as mentioned above have different placements for the stop arms depending on division. Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted April 28, 2017 Share #174 Posted April 28, 2017 Please read the subsequent posts before you try to correct me.i understand your point but I will also say that I am intrinsically aware of the track access challenges involving the B3 CBTC test track on a daily basis. That track is not needed for testing frequently enough that doing testing on nights/weekends working around other GOs will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted April 30, 2017 Share #175 Posted April 30, 2017 Apparently, the F express is under consideration. http://www.amny.com/transit/f-train-express-service-restoration-remains-under-consideration-mta-says-1.13419860 “The recommendation to restore F express service is still under consideration,” said Beth DeFalco, an MTA spokeswoman. “There are several major F line improvement projects underway or getting started, however, and the timing of any decision must factor those in.” There is also a website in support of F express service. http://fastercommute.nyc There is one quote that sums up my view of the plan: http://fastercommute.nyc/f-urious-southern-brooklyn-pols-demand-mta-restore-f-express/ But Southern Brooklynites say that Downtown yuppies are just being selfish, and ignoring the isolation of transit-starved residents and businesses below the borough’s proverbial Mason-Dixon line, said one Coney Island restaurateur. “People in other neighborhoods and Manhattan have so many more transportation options than we do,” said Nino Russo, the owner of Coney’s famed Gargiulo’s Restaurant. “A lot of my patrons come from Manhattan and it’s frustrating for me when I hear my customers complaining about how long it took to get to here. Why don’t we have more options like everyone else?” People in Northern Brooklyn have more options and they have shorter commutes. People in Southern Brooklyn have really long commutes and even a few minutes can make a big difference. It can make the difference between getting to a job/job interview/school on time, and being late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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