East New York Posted May 25, 2017 Share #1 Posted May 25, 2017 Lots of people have questions about new assignments and where buses will be going. As of late, the MTA has been doing a general assignment and making the detail final at the last minute on the fly as buses are coming in. For this current wave and the next, we have a general idea of where everything will be going. Of course as you all know, final fleet numbers and depot assignments are always are subject to change. Some fleet numbers, and depot assignments have not yet been confirmed while others have. For the purposes of this post, so everyone can get a general idea of what is on the horizon, we will have what's expected through 2020. Revised 5/29/17, MTA Bus and updates now included. 1,776 local, and 307 Express buses. Standard buses; 392 XD40's 7483-7849 for CS, EN, FB, FP, GA, UP, and a Possibility of MQ, 25 for Bus Company 251 LFS' 8504-8754 for GH, JA, KB, QV, YU 138 XN40's 673-810 for JG and WF 10 XDE40's 6906-6915 (for evaluation) MV and possibly EN, MQ, OF 275 Production XDE40's unassigned, pending for EN, MQ, MV, OF 5 BE40's 1300-1304 (for evaluation) GA 5 XE40's 1305-1309 (for evaluation) MQ 35 Production Electric buses. Possibly a split award, but final outcome still pending Test and Evaluation results. *Note I am being told the electric buses will swap depots for phase 2 of the evaluation. Catalysts will go to Quill and the Xcelsiors will go to GA. Articulated buses; 192 XD60's 5987-6178 for CS, GA(M) shuttle and possibly MQ afterwords, and OH, and LG for SBS 110 XN60's 1000-1109 for JG, and WF 92 LFSA's 5439-5530 for GH, KB, and possibly MQ and or OF 180 Diesel Articulated buses unassigned with 120 options remaining. Some of which will be hybrids. 10 XDE60 pilots for Test and Evaluation unassigned 5 Electric Articulated Buses for Test and Evaluation (Note BYD is the only current offering for electric artics, and Nova is in development of theirs.) Options for the next artics will retire the D60's and may also depend where the last of the current artics orders are assigned. New number slots will also be needed for these buses, unless they are all 6179-6479 which is possible because the hybrids will be retired. 5531-5769 will also open up. Also note there may be an order for up to 41 standard buses (25 base plus options) for MTAB, however, after the artics come in we may have a surplus of buses, so that's pending. It may also be expedited as a run of of the next XD order. 7850-7890 Spending on how everything works out by 2019 may depend on if the order for 200 Orion VII diesel buses from TTC remains part of the plans. In addition to all that, we will definitely be adding more electric buses, and remain open to any other advanced fuel technologies. Nova would also like to provide an electric standard model, and BYD is currently the only provider of Articulated electric buses. I will do a separate post for the next 307 Express buses this weekend. That one is pretty general because these assignments are solely based off who the order goes to. We will examine what it could look like if it's MCI, vs. what it could look like with more Prevosts. 50 of these buses are for NYCT, and the rest will be for Bus Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted May 25, 2017 Share #2 Posted May 25, 2017 Great job on the updates as always ENY. (Btw is there an additional 43 XD60s ordered for the MTA because 192 seems a bit off lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted May 26, 2017 Share #3 Posted May 26, 2017 110 + 92 = 202 I guess that's legit lol jk I know it's a typo heehee Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnicaPro Posted May 26, 2017 Share #4 Posted May 26, 2017 So the MTA is going through with the TTC Orion VII order? That's pretty awesome to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted May 26, 2017 No it's just as is above but I forgot to add in LG so that's why there appears to be extra buses. As far as the rest, no typo, the numbers should all add up. And yes, tentively that's the TTC is the only place we can get 200 buses that are temporary and easy to maintain so costs won't rise too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJay85 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #6 Posted May 26, 2017 Lots of people have questions about new assignments and where buses will be going. As of late, the MTA has been doing a general assignment and making the detail final at the last minute on the fly as buses are coming in. For this current wave and the next, we have a general idea of where everything will be going. Of course as you all know, final fleet numbers and depot assignments are always are subject to change. Some fleet numbers, and depot assignments have not yet been confirmed while others have. For the purposes of this post, so everyone can get a general idea of what is on the horizon, we will have what's expected through 2019. 1,317 buses, plus 190+ artic options and up to 41 standards for Bus Company. Standard buses; 367 XD40's 7483-7849 for CS, EN, FB, FP, GA, UP, and a Possibility of MQ. 251 LFS' 8504-8754 for GH, JA, KB, QV, YU 200 O7's 1400-1599 (L train supplement) 138 XN40's 673-810 for JG and WF 10 XDE40's 6906-6115 (for evaluation) MV and possibly EN, MQ, OF 75 Production XDE40 Hybrids 6907-6990 for MV 5 BE40's 1300-1304 (for evaluation) GA 5 XE40's 1305-1309 (for evaluation) MQ *Note I am being told the electric buses will swap depots for phase 2 of the evaluation. Catalysts will go to Quill and the Xcelsiors will go to GA. Articulated buses; 192 XD60's 5987-6178 for CS, GA(M) shuttle and possibly MQ afterwords, and OH, and LG for SBS 110 XN60's 1000-1109 for JG, and WF 92 LFSA's 5439-5530 for GH, KB, and possibly MQ and or OF Options for the next artics will retire the D60's and may also depend where the last of the current artics orders are assigned. New number slots will also be needed for these buses, unless they are all 6179-6479 which is possible because the hybrids will be retired. 5531-5769 will also open up. Also note there may be an order for up to 41 standard buses for MTAB, however, after the artics come in we may have a surplus of buses, so that's pending. It may also be expedited as a run of of the next XD order. 7850-7890 In addition to all that, we will definitely be adding more electric buses, and remain open to any other advanced fuel technologies. Nova would also like to provide an electric standard model, and New Flyer will be in the running for hybrid artics after the standard evaluation. I will do a separate post for the next 307 Express buses this weekend. That one is pretty general because these assignments are solely based off who the order goes to. We will examine what it could look like if it's MCI, vs. what it could look like with more Prevosts. 50 of these buses are for NYCT, and the rest will be for Bus Company. So that means the RTS will be gone by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 26, 2017 Share #7 Posted May 26, 2017 Lots of people have questions about new assignments and where buses will be going. As of late, the MTA has been doing a general assignment and making the detail final at the last minute on the fly as buses are coming in. For this current wave and the next, we have a general idea of where everything will be going. Of course as you all know, final fleet numbers and depot assignments are always are subject to change. Some fleet numbers, and depot assignments have not yet been confirmed while others have. For the purposes of this post, so everyone can get a general idea of what is on the horizon, we will have what's expected through 2019. 1,317 buses, plus 190+ artic options and up to 41 standards for Bus Company. Standard buses; 367 XD40's 7483-7849 for CS, EN, FB, FP, GA, UP, and a Possibility of MQ. 251 LFS' 8504-8754 for GH, JA, KB, QV, YU Hmmm, what current Yukon buses are getting replaced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted May 26, 2017 Share #8 Posted May 26, 2017 Hmmm, what current Yukon buses are getting replaced? The hybrids I'm guessing. Get rid of those and standardize the local fleet with Novas across the board. Or just send the other boros our first batch, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted May 26, 2017 Share #9 Posted May 26, 2017 Hmmm, what current Yukon buses are getting replaced?The last of the Hybrids there are probably going to be pushed out to BK/Manhattan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted May 26, 2017 Share #10 Posted May 26, 2017 Hmmm, what current Yukon buses are getting replaced?The NG's most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted May 26, 2017 Share #11 Posted May 26, 2017 From what I'm reading right now and I know it's subject to change that Flatbush and East New York are out of this particular artic order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted May 26, 2017 Share #12 Posted May 26, 2017 From what I'm reading right now and I know it's subject to change that Flatbush and East New York are out of this particular artic order.ENY is planned to get some option artics at least for the B82 SBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted May 26, 2017 So that means the RTS will be gone by then. Yep. By the time it's all said and done. We have 3 years left. 4 if Quill, EN, Ulmer and Flatbush make the expected stink about it. Quill and ENY along with LG will likely be the last, with the buses expected to retire out of Quill in what better be a parade with fireworks and the likes!!! Lol. Don't play with me MTA!!! #Message The hybrids I'm guessing. Get rid of those and standardize the local fleet with Novas across the board. Or just send the other boros our first batch, lol. There is a 100% chance that you are 99% right! Lol. We just have to see which way it goes! They could do a mix of both! You work there so you know how this goes my friend! The last of the Hybrids there are probably going to be pushed out to BK/Manhattan Bronx and Bus Compay are likely as well. Let's not forget LG is the only depot where management and some operators wants the RTS gone but other operators and many mechanics want them to stay. LG is the only depot with a weekend redirection, and Flatbush has them on night restriction which signals what the have is likely the last. We could even see some of the best 6400-6600's go to Bus Co. before they retire. They have held up MUCH better than expected now that MTA is the best hybrid maintainer in North American next to TTC, Seattle, Ann Arbor, and Washington DC. ENY is planned to get some option artics at least for the B82 SBS. Correct. That's why the SBS conversion was pushed back to 2018. The B15 (EN) is also slated to get 4700's from the Bronx. Many want new buses but if MTA keeps to my original post of standardized fleets, FB and EN will get those 4700's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #14 Posted May 26, 2017 So no 8800s, 8900s or 9000s yet? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted May 26, 2017 Share #15 Posted May 26, 2017 other than the b82, bx6 have u heard of other sbs routes down the road. also after the bx36 goes artic are there any other plans ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #16 Posted May 26, 2017 Ok I got a few questions.... Why is CS getting more XD40s? I didn't think they had any other diesels to replace. Why is GH and KB getting more LFS? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #17 Posted May 26, 2017 Ok I got a few questions.... Why is CS getting more XD40s? I didn't think they had any other diesels to replace. Why is GH and KB getting more LFS? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app It should be obvious. To have a uniform fleet. It makes it easier (at least in theory) to have just a few types of buses to upkeep. Those hybrids will be pushed off to another depot to push out older buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted May 26, 2017 Share #18 Posted May 26, 2017 Ok I got a few questions.... Why is CS getting more XD40s? I didn't think they had any other diesels to replace. Why is GH and KB getting more LFS? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app retiring of the hybrids, rts's and shifting of hybrids 4000's to mv and mch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #19 Posted May 26, 2017 retiring of the hybrids, rts's and shifting of hybrids 4000's to mv and mch. The first hybrids aren't even 10 years old yet, so I think it's too soon for them to be going. They've got a good 4 years left in them if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted May 26, 2017 Share #20 Posted May 26, 2017 The first hybrids aren't even 10 years old yet, so I think it's too soon for them to be going. They've got a good 4 years left in them if anything. The first hybrids are 14 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #21 Posted May 26, 2017 The first hybrids are 14 years old Which hybrids are we talking about? I'm thinking about the ones that were first delivered on Staten Island back in 2008? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted May 26, 2017 Share #22 Posted May 26, 2017 Which hybrids are we talking about? I'm thinking about the ones that were first delivered on Staten Island back in 2008? I mistook the post above yours. The NGs down there are 8 years old. The NGs have at least 5 years left on them, maybe more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #23 Posted May 26, 2017 Which hybrids are we talking about? I'm thinking about the ones that were first delivered on Staten Island back in 2008? If you're referring to 6365-6689, those are the first hybrids. Those are 2002-2004. The ones that first started out in Staten Island (3800-3959) are all in Manhattan Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #24 Posted May 26, 2017 If you're referring to 6365-6689, those are the first hybrids. Those are 2002-2004. The ones that first started out in Staten Island (3800-3959) are all in Manhattan Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app No, I'm thinking about the 3800s and up, hence my 2008 reference. The 6300s - 6600s definitely need to go. I like the new buses because of the bright display screens. It's annoying to have to squint to try to read that faded green signage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #25 Posted May 26, 2017 I mistook the post above yours. The NGs down there are 8 years old. The NGs have at least 5 years left on them, maybe more. If maintained right. The way they run now, they look Iike they're the heart & soul of the TA (minus one:4619) Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app No, I'm thinking about the 3800s and up, hence my 2008 reference. The 6300s - 6600s definitely need to go. I like the new buses because of the bright display screens. It's annoying to have to squint to try to read that faded green signage. That green signs are found 6365-6489. The other half have the orange signs. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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