Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 22, 2017 Share #1 Posted June 22, 2017 Signal Problems, Again, Turn Subway Commute Into Nightmare PATH train service also experienced delays because of police activity Delay-weary straphangers endured yet another day of crippling service changes Tuesday, with at least one rider so desperate to escape delays he tried walking subway tracks to get to work on time, witnesses said. Once again, signal problems appeared to be the primary cause of the nightmare. Uptown B, D, F and M lines began to experience delays around 6:20 a.m., with at least one train stalled in between stops for more than 20 minutes as an MTA conductor warned of signal problems at Herald Square. Regular uptown service on the B and D halted entirely for a time and trains were rerouted to Penn. Four hours later, there was still no B or M service in both directions, with the MTA saying only that "personnel are on the scene investigating." Service had resumed, again with extensive delays, shortly before 11:15 a.m. The situation got so dire, witnesses aboard a stalled northbound F train said two men late for work climbed between subway cars and leaped down onto the tracks, apparently planning to walk the course to the next station. The MTA said in statement the train was held outside of 34th Street for about 25 minutes, and it got reports of one customer exiting the train. "I cannot stress enough how dangerous this is. With a live third rail and the possibility of the train moving at any time, this individual could have been seriously injured or worse," MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz said in a statement. "Under no circumstances should customers leave a train unless instructed to do so by the train crew." MTA Accused of Shortchanging Subway Repairs Signal problems mucked up subway travel on the A and C lines from Brooklyn to Manhattan for more than four hours Thursday, the fourth time in just a few weeks that such issues have snarled service -- and advocacy groups say the MTA it's proof that subway repairs are being shortchanged. Andrew Siff reports. (Published Thursday, June 15, 2017) "We will look into customer communication on the train. As we noted yesterday, we are moving expeditiously to improve communications with customers," he added. "We remain committed to giving customers updates as information becomes available. Improved communication is essential to not only those aboard the train, but also those waiting on platforms, and those planning their commute. We apologize for this inconvenience and are working to improve service." Ortiz said a 1930s-era signal interlocking at Herald Square failed and crews had to implement emergency repairs, causing the severe service disruptions. At Broadway-Lafayette, frustrated customers had to transfer trains at times only to be told they had to transfer yet again. Trains had started rolling again on their usual routes by about 8 a.m., but the MTA warned of extensive delays. Then the signal problems returned, suspending B train service between Brighton Beach Avenue and Bedford Park Boulevard by 8:15 a.m. Northbound D and F trains were being rerouted on the C and E lines. M train service was also shut down in spots. Service resumed with delays before noon. Latest details here. MTA conductors asked for patience. One conductor aboard a delayed M train appearing to commiserate with commuters at one point, calling F service a "hot mess" while describing the rest of the system as plagued by "massive delays." Delays on the orange lines caused a crush on red and blue lines, with riders reporting dangerous overcrowding on platforms that serve 2/3 stations. Then, just as the evening rush was about to get underway, the MTA warned straphangers Tuesday afternoon to brace for delays on the northbound A, C, E, F and G lines because of mechanical problems at York Street. The problems didn't linger much further into the evening rush, though, sparing riders more pain. Signal problems have become an all too common blight for many subway commuters. And with trains expected to get even more packed as Amtrak work at Penn Station diverts customers to other routes, riders are demanding help. Signs at Herald Square pledge work is being done to improve aging switch system, but the fine print at the bottom says that project may not be completed for at least another year -- far too long for fed-up commuters. Ortiz said Tuesday the signals and interlocking at Herald Square "are currently being upgraded as part of the MTA's capital program and we are focused on accelerating this work. We also plan to look at other methods to improve our signaling system during the MTA Challenge later this month." On Monday, Gov. Cuomo called on the MTA to explore potential discounts this summer for subway riders on diverted trains. The agency did announce Tuesday it would provide 25 percent average discounts for LIRR riders who use key transfer hubs between Brooklyn and Queens, but didn't address the subways. The MTA has estimated about 10,000 people will face diverted or canceled trains during the work at Penn Station. Published at 7:10 AM EDT on Jun 20, 2017 | Updated at 7:50 PM EDT on Jun 20, 2017 Source: Signal Problems, Again, Turn Subway Commute Into Nightmare | NBC New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 22, 2017 Share #2 Posted June 22, 2017 lol riders who jumped the tracks should be sent to the bellevue psych ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 22, 2017 Share #3 Posted June 22, 2017 Yeah, there is no excuse whatsoever for walking on the tracks, unless instructed to do so by the train crew. That's a ginormous safety risk and a delay waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted June 22, 2017 Share #4 Posted June 22, 2017 Absolutely no way im walking the tracks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted June 22, 2017 Yeah, there is no excuse whatsoever for walking on the tracks, unless instructed to do so by the train crew. That's a ginormous safety risk and a delay waiting to happen. The way they saw it, the trains weren't moving anyway, so they figured we can just walk to the next station and get there faster. Sad but true. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted June 22, 2017 Share #6 Posted June 22, 2017 The way they saw it, the trains weren't moving anyway, so they figured we can just walk to the next station and get there faster. Sad but true. lolWas ppl doing that back in the 80s too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 22, 2017 Share #7 Posted June 22, 2017 This is becoming as bad as when I rode the subways in the 1980's, save for track fires (thankfully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted June 22, 2017 This is becoming as bad as when I rode the subways in the 1980's, save for track fires (thankfully). This opinion piece says a lot: We’re the greatest city in the world and our subways suck By Maureen Callahan June 20, 2017 | 11:51pm | Updated Gregory P. Mango The continual and worsening condition of our subway system is an affront to our very identity as New Yorkers: We live and work in ostensibly the greatest city in the world, the center of finance, media, culture — and this is our infrastructure? Tuesday morning’s rush-hour malfunction, which caused massive delays and bottlenecking throughout seven lines for nearly three hours, is just the latest calamity, compounded by the clear indifference of the MTA, the city and the state. An MTA report published by The Post on June 17 revealed that 75 percent of our subway lines are constantly behind schedule, with five of those late at least half the time. Missing is the stress of being packed into stalled trains and congested platforms and the increasing presence of the homeless and mentally ill. Add to this our forthcoming “summer of hell” — the simultaneous disruption of train systems run by Amtrak, New Jersey Transit and the Long Island Rail Road beginning July 10 — and you have a population that prides itself on hard work and innovation up against a mayor, a governor and an agency that clearly do not. It’s evident in the so-called “action plan” the MTA finally unveiled last week: a lazy, public plea to corporations and small businesses to let their employees come and go, or just work from home. “This is really an all-hands-on-deck action plan,” said MTA executive director Ronnie Hakim. But it’s not, and the exceptional burdens placed on commuters — who now have to rise hours earlier and get home hours later in what’s predicted to be a brutally hot summer — is just another reminder of the myriad ways the 99 percent get screwed. “I wish my life was like everyone else’s, but it’s not,” Mayor Bill de Blasio said earlier this month, justifying his five-day-a-week, chauffeured SUV service to his preferred gym in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Yes, our mayor, who ran his campaign as a “Tale of Two Cities” and casts himself as the hero of the little guy, has no sympathy for his electorate. “This issue is not cheap symbolism,” de Blasio said. “The issue is, are we going to take action?” Guess that depends on whom you ask. Until five days ago, de Blasio blamed Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who blames the MTA, which he runs. On May 18, Cuomo called the state-run MTA “a regional transportation system,” then days later announced a $1 million award to anyone who can fix the subway system for good. The MTA in turn blames the city for funding shortfalls, which is used to rationalize increased fares for ever-worsening service. We’re constantly told that despite its shortfalls, the New York City subway system is among the best in the world. Really? Berlin’s subway system is the apex of on-time service, clean and efficient. London, Paris and Seoul’s subway systems provide reliably similar service. Hong Kong has 1.5 billion riders annually and a 99.9 percent on-time rate. Japan has bullet trains that travel at 200 mph, charge $123 to get from Tokyo to Kyoto and have been operational for 50 years. To look at any recent image of New Yorkers in the subway is to mistake it for a Third World commuting hub. And the MTA, along with our elected officials, shouldn’t get away with the false narrative that this is short-term pain for long-term gain. On Tuesday morning, two riders literally jumped off a stalled F train into the tunnel to avoid being late for work, though the MTA claimed it was just one. Still, a spokesman said, the agency “cannot stress how dangerous this is.” We know. If only someone could do something about it. Source: http://nypost.com/2017/06/20/were-in-the-greatest-city-in-the-world-and-our-subways-suck/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubBus Posted June 22, 2017 Share #9 Posted June 22, 2017 Herald Square Master Tower coming soon...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 22, 2017 Share #10 Posted June 22, 2017 "The MTA said the train was only delayed for 25 mins" um... If the MTA don't get these delays under control the tunnels are going to turn into pedestrian plazas lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 22, 2017 Share #11 Posted June 22, 2017 Herald Square Master Tower coming soon...... West 4th too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted June 22, 2017 Share #12 Posted June 22, 2017 I propose committing any crime that ends up disrupting subway service become a felony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 22, 2017 Share #13 Posted June 22, 2017 I propose committing any crime that ends up disrupting subway service become a felony. I'm right there with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 23, 2017 Share #14 Posted June 23, 2017 guy who walked on subway tracks made it to the ny post http://nypost.com/2017/06/22/i-walked-the-subway-tracks-so-i-wouldnt-lose-my-job/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted June 23, 2017 guy who walked on subway tracks made it to the ny post http://nypost.com/2017/06/22/i-walked-the-subway-tracks-so-i-wouldnt-lose-my-job/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook I can't blame the guy. People ARE being fired from their jobs because of these delays, be it the subway or the LIRR delays. Kevin Ortiz can talk about safety because he has job safety. Other people don't. This is third publicized event in the last few months with people delayed over 30 minutes or more. Add an hour to an already long commute and people are spending a good two hours each way just to get to work. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted June 23, 2017 Share #16 Posted June 23, 2017 Still, this makes it worse, because if people are doing that, then once we are able to move, then we can't, because we have to walk around the train and make sure no one is out there, and now it's going to take even longer to move! (all of this, on top of, again, how dangerous it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share #17 Posted June 23, 2017 Still, this makes it worse, because if people are doing that, then once we are able to move, then we can't, because we have to walk around the train and make sure no one is out there, and now it's going to take even longer to move! (all of this, on top of, again, how dangerous it is). Given the age that we're living in and the lack of communication from the these days, they cannot expect people to just sit there and wait and wait and wait and wait without a clue as to what is really going on. Some people have medical conditions, and as was mentioned, others are being fired over these incidents. The has stated that they're going to be more forthcoming with updating passengers, but so far there doesn't seem to be many changes. I certainly don't think having some guy come over the loud speaker in a garbled voice with an announcement that can't be heard is an improvement. This is needed on both the buses and subways. I can't tell you how many times our bus has detoured and the driver claims that they don't know what the detour is when prompted and makes no announcement, yet he's on detour doing his thing and putting folks further from where they need to get off at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted June 23, 2017 Share #18 Posted June 23, 2017 West 4th too... Same tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted June 23, 2017 Share #19 Posted June 23, 2017 Given the age that we're living in and the lack of communication from the these days, they cannot expect people to just sit there and wait and wait and wait and wait without a clue as to what is really going on. Some people have medical conditions, and as was mentioned, others are being fired over these incidents. The has stated that they're going to be more forthcoming with updating passengers, but so far there doesn't seem to be many changes. I certainly don't think having some guy come over the loud speaker in a garbled voice with an announcement that can't be heard is an improvement. This is needed on both the buses and subways. I can't tell you how many times our bus has detoured and the driver claims that they don't know what the detour is when prompted and makes no announcement, yet he's on detour doing his thing and putting folks further from where they need to get off at. I'm with you in regards to the lack of communication, but literally hopping off the train to walk the tunnels does not help matters in the slightest. One, riders who act like this just put themselves in serious danger by walking the tracks. With the very real possibility of electrocution by the third rail or serious injury from any trip and fall from the tracks, tunnel supports, etc., they are playing a game of life and death that's completely avoidable. That "fight the system" mentality means shit if they're dead or in traction. Secondly, antics like that will just acerbate those delays and slowdowns. Instead of one track out of service due to some obstruction, now all of them are dead because the power had to be cut for Transit police and the NYPD to find their wayward passenger. Of course, it would probably be a cathartic release for fellow passengers to beat up the person who just made their already-delayed trip even longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share #20 Posted June 23, 2017 I'm with you in regards to the lack of communication, but literally hopping off the train to walk the tunnels does not help matters in the slightest. One, riders who act like this just put themselves in serious danger by walking the tracks. With the very real possibility of electrocution by the third rail or serious injury from any trip and fall from the tracks, tunnel supports, etc., they are playing a game of life and death that's completely avoidable. That "fight the system" mentality means shit if they're dead or in traction. Secondly, antics like that will just acerbate those delays and slowdowns. Instead of one track out of service due to some obstruction, now all of them are dead because the power had to be cut for Transit police and the NYPD to find their wayward passenger. Of course, it would probably be a cathartic release for fellow passengers to beat up the person who just made their already-delayed trip even longer. There's a breaking point in all of this and we're starting to see this. Nothing excuses the behavior, but you can't expect people in this day and age to not do what these people are doing, especially with no communication, and the so far for all of their talk about making changes hasn't done a thing to address these ongoing daily delays. I'm starting to think that maybe, just maybe, they should take a page from other cities with old subway systems like Boston or Chicago. Boston has the oldest subway system in the country, and while it may not be as large as ours or run 24/7, it's quite efficient. Work gets done that needs to be done, and it's MUCH cleaner than ours. Something has to change, and I mean drastically, from the way work is done, to oversight, to everything, and the changes need to be very soon. This is having a huge economic drain on the city, and if it isn't addressed, I fear we're going to see employers moving elsewhere. Best city in the world with a horrible transportation system. I actually reached out to a few elected officials about what they're doing to move people. We need a hands on approach from various levels to understand how this can be turned around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted June 23, 2017 Share #21 Posted June 23, 2017 I propose committing any crime that ends up disrupting subway service become a felony. Except a successful suicide. You can’t do anything about it after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted June 24, 2017 Share #22 Posted June 24, 2017 Except a successful suicide. You can’t do anything about it after the fact. Maybe bad taste to joke about that? 12-9s are hard on everyone -- victims, crews, bystanders, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 24, 2017 Share #23 Posted June 24, 2017 i swear to god people need to stop this now 2 dozen walked through tunnels http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/subway-riders-risked-lives-walking-dark-brooklyn-tunnel-article-1.3273225 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted June 24, 2017 Share #24 Posted June 24, 2017 They might as well create a long train from terminal to terminal for people to walk through... While MTA delays are unacceptable at times, 10 minutes seriously? 10 MIN YOU CAN'T WAIT??!! Not much MTA could do at this point, you have 75 foot subway cars, which is a underground prison and you have 60 ft cars and IRT cars with people jumping out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 24, 2017 Share #25 Posted June 24, 2017 i swear to god people need to stop this now 2 dozen walked through tunnels http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/subway-riders-risked-lives-walking-dark-brooklyn-tunnel-article-1.3273225 Arrest them all for trespassing and public endangerment. Especially the fool from the F train. Make an example of them now and nip it in the bud fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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