YankeesPwnMets Posted June 24, 2017 Share #1 Posted June 24, 2017 http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/mta-warns-subway-riders-after-another-stalled-train-escape/ ...... Do these people think they're edgy or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted June 24, 2017 Share #2 Posted June 24, 2017 In the train incident that man was desparate to get to his job. Not everyone on the train could take their sweet time going to their destination. But he shouldn't give it to the media, now we got a bunch of copycat inconsiderate selfish people who would leave the train after 10 min. Thing is why isn't the MTA shutting down entire corridors already, we can't have delays everyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted June 24, 2017 Share #3 Posted June 24, 2017 Ppl really starting to lose they minds...i guest it's gonna takes someone to get killed for ppl to stop leaving trains... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted June 24, 2017 Share #4 Posted June 24, 2017 The question is was either train already in a station? The way it's worded, I think the train was stuck in the tunnels but I feel like unless people actually climbed out of the train this had to be in a station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted June 25, 2017 Share #5 Posted June 25, 2017 In the train incident that man was desparate to get to his job. Not everyone on the train could take their sweet time going to their destination. But he shouldn't give it to the media, now we got a bunch of copycat inconsiderate selfish people who would leave the train after 10 min. Thing is why isn't the MTA shutting down entire corridors already, we can't have delays everyday You obviously don't understand how much of a logistical nightmare that would be. Passenger numbers that would need to squeeze onto other already overtaxed lines being the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted June 25, 2017 Share #6 Posted June 25, 2017 You obviously don't understand how much of a logistical nightmare that would be. Passenger numbers that would need to squeeze onto other already overtaxed lines being the first. Well obviously I know that part, the system can't even handle our current ridership, let alone more. But what need to be done, need to be done. I rather suffer for 1 year of planned closure than who knows how long weekend/Midday/Late Night service changes and still have unreliable service. Go in renew the track, renew the signal, fastrack CBTC, get it done and move on to the next corridor. Is it a inconvenient, yes, but Off Peak slow fixture is no longer acceptable. Even Amtrak knows that now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted June 25, 2017 The question is was either train already in a station? The way it's worded, I think the train was stuck in the tunnels but I feel like unless people actually climbed out of the train this had to be in a station. They were in the tunnel, jumped out (presumably through the middle doors) and walked on the tracks to the station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 25, 2017 Share #8 Posted June 25, 2017 Walking the subway tracks can kill you, MTA officials warned Saturday after reports of a second incident in which frustrated straphangers fled a train stalled in a tunnel short of a station. So can crossing the street.. But this is the result of tons of delays, slow response to events, and lack of information to riders. Passenger: "Hmm, do I want to wait in this train for 1 hour like I did last week, or do I want to walk to the next station and keep it moving? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted June 25, 2017 Share #9 Posted June 25, 2017 So can crossing the street.. But this is the result of tons of delays, slow response to events, and lack of information to riders. Passenger: "Hmm, do I want to wait in this train for 1 hour like I did last week, or do I want to walk to the next station and keep it moving? " Ummm wait a hour and live to see another day or possible death in a dark and unfamiliar subway tunnel? Are we comparing crossing the street with getting hit by a train A considerably larger vehicle in a tunnel not designed in any capacity for pedestrians? I'm gonna need you to explain this one. I don't see any justification in this. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted June 25, 2017 So can crossing the street.. But this is the result of tons of delays, slow response to events, and lack of information to riders. Passenger: "Hmm, do I want to wait in this train for 1 hour like I did last week, or do I want to walk to the next station and keep it moving? " The train was stopped for 9 minutes before those idiots decided to bail. I've been stuck on a train for 90 minutes and never did I remotely think it would be a good idea to try and walk on the tracks This is a forum where the average user knows far more about the subway (and the potential dangers) than the average NYer and there are still people here who think it is ever a good idea to walk through the tunnel unauthorized, with a live third rail, no training, and no safety equipment??? Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 25, 2017 Share #11 Posted June 25, 2017 Ummm wait a hour and live to see another day or possible death in a dark and unfamiliar subway tunnel? Are we comparing crossing the street with getting hit by a train A considerably larger vehicle in a tunnel not designed in any capacity for pedestrians? I'm gonna need you to explain this one. I don't see any justification in this. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Possible death? That can happen at anytime. As for the subway:The tunnels are lit, Mobile phones have flashlight apps. The train was stalled, there are walkways at the side of some tunnels , you can lay between the tracks or under the platform if necessary and there are emergency exit cuts. It's especially annoying when you've just left a station and you have trains on the next track just rolling by. If the express tracks are having chronic delays, let passengers know before they're stuck between 5 local stations. The train was stopped for 9 minutes before those idiots decided to bail. I've been stuck on a train for 90 minutes and never did I remotely think it would be a good idea to try and walk on the tracks This is a forum where the average user knows far more about the subway (and the potential dangers) than the average NYer and there are still people here who think it is ever a good idea to walk through the tunnel unauthorized, with a live third rail, no training, and no safety equipment??? Amazing. That's because some people are sticklers. That's just like those that go "You should always wait for the walk signal to cross the street even though the cross street is blocked due to construction and therefore there is no cross traffic to be concerned about!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 25, 2017 Share #12 Posted June 25, 2017 That's because some people are sticklers. That's just like those that go "You should always wait for the walk signal to cross the street even though the cross street is blocked due to construction and therefore there is no cross traffic to be concerned about!" How do you know that theres no train traffic? For all you know there's a diesel heading for that stalled train, and you're as good as dead. There is no excuse for walking through a tunnel unauthorized. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted June 25, 2017 Share #13 Posted June 25, 2017 Possible death? That can happen at anytime. As for the subway:The tunnels are lit, Mobile phones have flashlight apps. The train was stalled, there are walkways at the side of some tunnels , you can lay between the tracks or under the platform if necessary and there are emergency exit cuts. It's especially annoying when you've just left a station and you have trains on the next track just rolling by. If the express tracks are having chronic delays, let passengers know before they're stuck between 5 local stations. That's because some people are sticklers. That's just like those that go "You should always wait for the walk signal to cross the street even though the cross street is blocked due to construction and therefore there is no cross traffic to be concerned about!" . You really are serious. In come the probables and odds your honestly going to sit there and tell us the average person is just as likely to get hurt or worst in a household accident or crossing the street as walking the tracks? As stated before with no training or understanding of this subterranean world? Lay flat in a drainage ditch? Come on! Really?Is that like in the urban survival manual that I somehow didn't get. What average person would know something like that let alone actually pull it off with the train barreling in their direction? Get off the emotions you know this isn't logical your reaching bud! Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted June 25, 2017 Share #14 Posted June 25, 2017 We need the train operator to know more of potential problem ahead, this way they could plan ahead by holding trains in station, and riders could consider alternatives. We could start by getting cell service in tunnel and getting better radio for train operators Possible death? That can happen at anytime. As for the subway:The tunnels are lit, Mobile phones have flashlight apps. The train was stalled, there are walkways at the side of some tunnels , you can lay between the tracks or under the platform if necessary and there are emergency exit cuts. It's especially annoying when you've just left a station and you have trains on the next track just rolling by. If the express tracks are having chronic delays, let passengers know before they're stuck between 5 local stations. That's because some people are sticklers. That's just like those that go "You should always wait for the walk signal to cross the street even though the cross street is blocked due to construction and therefore there is no cross traffic to be concerned about!" I understand that people have to get where they need to go but seriously they couldn't wait 10 minutes? I would understand if it was one hour, they would think the risk is worth it, but 10 minutes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted June 25, 2017 Share #15 Posted June 25, 2017 We need the train operator to know more of potential problem ahead, this way they could plan ahead by holding trains in station, and riders could consider alternatives. We could start by getting cell service in tunnel and getting better radio for train operators I understand that people have to get where they need to go but seriously they couldn't wait 10 minutes? I would understand if it was one hour, they would think the risk is worth it, but 10 minutes... . Yes a logical suggestion. Makes sense doesn't dispatch handle some of that responsibility? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 25, 2017 Share #16 Posted June 25, 2017 How do you know that theres no train traffic? For all you know there's a diesel heading for that stalled train, and you're as good as dead. There is no excuse for walking through a tunnel unauthorized. Ever. Diesels are loud, they vibrate everything around (trackbed, etc), and they smell. . You really are serious. In come the probables and odds your honestly going to sit there and tell us the average person is just as likely to get hurt or worst in a household accident or crossing the street as walking the tracks? As stated before with no training or understanding of this subterranean world? Lay flat in a drainage ditch? Come on! Really? Is that like in the urban survival manual that I somehow didn't get. What average person would know something like that let alone actually pull it off with the train barreling in their direction? Get off the emotions you know this isn't logical your reaching bud! Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app I didn't say the average person. The "average person" is not likely to "escape" a train in the first place. They'd be too scared. We need the train operator to know more of potential problem ahead, this way they could plan ahead by holding trains in station, and riders could consider alternatives. We could start by getting cell service in tunnel and getting better radio for train operators I understand that people have to get where they need to go but seriously they couldn't wait 10 minutes? I would understand if it was one hour, they would think the risk is worth it, but 10 minutes... You say that as if that train started moving immediately after they left. That train was there for more than 10 mins, they broke free in 10 mins because they know NYCT's track record, no pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted June 25, 2017 Share #17 Posted June 25, 2017 Diesels are loud, they vibrate everything around (trackbed, etc), and they smell. I didn't say the average person. The "average person" is not likely to "escape" a train in the first place. They'd be too scared. You say that as if that train started moving immediately after they left. That train was there for more than 10 mins, they broke free in 10 mins because they know NYCT's track record, no pun intended. Well the train sure as hell won't be moving for another 30 min when people decided to jump out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 25, 2017 Share #18 Posted June 25, 2017 Diesels are loud, they vibrate everything around (trackbed, etc), and they smell. By the time you recognize a diesel is coming, it's too close to slow down for you. And if it's in e mode you won't smell it. The idea that it's ok to walk the tracks because a potential train is loud is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 25, 2017 Share #19 Posted June 25, 2017 Well the train sure as hell won't be moving for another 30 min when people decided to jump out... Perhaps they should prevent and mitigate delays better? Jumping out is the symptom. By the time you recognize a diesel is coming, it's too close to slow down for you. And if it's in e mode you won't smell it. The idea that it's ok to walk the tracks because a potential train is loud is ludicrous. Who's saying that? And besides, how can you get run over with all this "train traffic" around the system, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted June 25, 2017 Share #20 Posted June 25, 2017 Perhaps they should prevent and mitigate delays better? Jumping out is the symptom. Who's saying that? No people jump out because they want to be famous, not because it's the symptom of anything, hell don't hear about anyone jumping out till the F incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 25, 2017 Share #21 Posted June 25, 2017 No people jump out because they want to be famous, not because it's the symptom of anything, hell don't hear about anyone jumping out till the F incident Good point. We've only heard of it because someone recorded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted June 25, 2017 Share #22 Posted June 25, 2017 Good point. We've only heard of it because someone recorded it. Yeah and if that guy from the F Train incident got Zapped, you wouldn't see anyone jumping out for a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 25, 2017 Share #23 Posted June 25, 2017 Yeah and if that guy from the F Train incident got Zapped, you wouldn't see anyone jumping out for a while... I saw the video, it looks like they were running right along the 3rd rail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted June 25, 2017 Share #24 Posted June 25, 2017 the system can't even handle our current ridership, let alone more. If they were to raise the fare to $5 per swipe, then the would make a ton of money in the short-run and it would significantly lighten the load on the system overall in the long-run. The only problem is pissing off millions of customers, including potential and ex-customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 26, 2017 Share #25 Posted June 26, 2017 Is all of this really because of "record ridership" or is it used as a scapegoat? Also, if the timers didn't make it so that local trains beat express trains, they could move people faster with less rolling stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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