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  1. 6 points
    Here's my take on operating the 179 on the A line. The good: 1) The train is a rocket ship, after living on 46's and 32's I had to watch my speed because certain areas where the older trains are doing 40, on the 179 it's going 8-10+ miles faster, great! 2) It's new, so the cabs smell fresh & clean. 3) it's shiny. After being on the A for so long, I'm not used to seeing something new...EVER 4) Smiles...When I enter some busy stations, customers are smiling or surprised the A has some new stuff. The cameras come out, they stare, they mouth "is this an A?" 5) Privacy...The cab windows are tinted, less eyeballs on the t/o's sitting down. The bad: 1) The cab is smaller than the 160's On the 160's there was a cut out behind the seat so the seat can go further back. There is no cut out behind the cab seat on a 179. If the t/o is tall or big, it's a problem. Knees hit the console, of you're a big dude the t/o is so close to the console. 2) The cab window sucks. Those cab windows should slide sideways like a 46 or straight down like a 68. Conductors have been complaining about the latch hitting their chins and making it harder for shorter people to see. 3) The placement of the speedometer is near the ceiling or where the air gauge is on a 160. That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. speedometer and gauges should be eye level like any other normal transportation vehicle. 4) The master controller...THe MC is terrible, the handle is small and you have to put some muscle into holding it while operating which can start to hurt the hand, especially when the t/o is going express. Can't switch from left hand to right hand...terrible 5) The placement of the master controller. The MC is on the right hand side and it's very uncomfortable to operate while doing a long run. Local trip, fine you can rest your hand between stops, but from Howard beach to Broad channel, forget it. 6) The 179's on the C and probably J line...The operating crews cannot hear the automated announcements in their cabs. They fixed this issue with the A-179 supposedly they are correcting this with the C-179's and whatever 179's that are out there. I have more but it's more technical.
  2. 4 points
    Please DON'T post that information. BusTrek is an internal tool for the , not the public. I don't think drivers want their paddles exposed. I've been assured that the situation is being addressed to the extent possible.
  3. 4 points
    I get on the A train in Rockaway at 6 am and whadaya know..... The R179 rolls in! Score!
  4. 3 points
    You have got to be kidding me... The Lefferts branch has the density to potentially require <10 minute headways and you're telling me that 15-25 off peak is fine? Induced demand works both ways... In the same way that more frequent service encourages more ridership, less frequent service encourages people to find other more convenient ways of travel and this is why the subway is losing ridership. These are people who could take the train (and probably want to take the train) but because of the idiotic schedule have to find other alternatives that fit their needs and you think that's fine.
  5. 2 points
  6. 2 points
    As my profile picture shows, it's not as though parent can have Skynet level surveillance and handcuff them to the couch. Heck, I'm glad the kid is out getting fresh air. 😁
  7. 2 points
    I can't help but wonder if his parents/guardians had other things/people to deal with at the same time. (As an aside, I was just reminded of when I ran into traffic while my mother had to use crutches to get around.)
  8. 2 points
    Sometimes unfortunately, you can't question peoples instincts and luck into getting into and out of certain places, that may be beyond the point here. I do agree with you however that his parent's should've definitely kept a better eye on him, especially as the child's life isn't guaranteed on the subway seeing his state. Total applauds to Mr. Kiffin though, his natural instincts in saving the child show a true capability of T/O's to remain professional and act fast.
  9. 2 points
    How in the world a 12 year old end up between the lcl and exp tracks stepping over a 3 rail...... Where the hell is his parents...
  10. 2 points
    In your bizarro world, maybe...... ----------------------- + 2 reps for anyone that can point out at least 2 lies this dude just told.... Very much so.... I mean, there's been several suggestions floating around that involves extending the B67 southward & I refuse to concur with any of them.... Personally, I'd truncate the thing at Church av if it were feasible & the space existed for it... Since th'aint the case, current terminal they shall stay AFAIC..... That's that ole "give people service and they will use it" train of thought.... If I were to (partially) restore the B23 here in 2019, it wouldn't go past the due west of Flatbush (av)..... Points east, I'd use it as a gap filler b/w the B8 & the B35 in my general neck of the woods (I hate the the term "central Brooklyn") & that'd be the end of it..... The old B23 west of the I believe would be a dead draw.... Agreed with the opening statement.... As for the rest of the post, well basically, any split of the B8 should have the resultant routes serving whatever portions/segments of the current B8 itself... Regardless if I think any addt'l local service should run along Cortelyou & any restoration of service along 16th av is worth it or not, they're completely separate animals to that of the B8..... Don't let this dude obfuscate matters with his 10 10 "win-win for all" crap.....
  11. 2 points
    About Aqueduct: I would love to see at least some of the racetrack/related parking made into housing, which could provide impetus for changing the station layout in the area. There’s so much potential...
  12. 2 points
    I'm starting to notice a trend here and that is the troll (while also living in his own fantasy world) is incapable of considering future ridership trends when making his proposals.
  13. 2 points
    https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Nova_Bus_LFS_'E_VINs'#E4500713 1) 4RKYL82J5E45007132014 MTA New York City Transit 8090 Rejected. Replaced by a second 8090. Became a Nova Bus Demo and used at Transdev Châteauguay Division as 3061-33-4. Sold to Autobus La Québécoise in early 2018 for Mont-Tremblant division. Numbered 1413. 2) 4RKYL82J7E45007142014 MTA New York City Transit 8091 Never delivered. 3) 4RKYL82J9E45007152014 MTA New York City Transit 8092 Never delivered. Used as a demo (#L840-3), sold to Belleville Transit as 1472 in February 2016. 4) 4RKYL82J0E45007162014 MTA New York City Transit 8093 Never delivered.
  14. 2 points
    You know, I know I shouldn't feed trolls, but there's some masochistic part of me that can't let this level of illogicality float by....so here goes. I pinky swear I won't engage further. -LIRR: we're not touching LIRR infrastructure beyond using two trackways along their main line. No track connections would be built. Think: Orange Line in Boston. -The does a terrible job at serving the Rockaways/Lefferts. 20 min headways are unacceptable, and actually play a big role in inducing low ridership on the 's branches -- not just in the Rockaways, but also to/from JFK and Lefferts. So yes, Lefferts would lose express service in the off peak under the plan, but the gain in headway (10 mins vs 16 mins) alone outweighs the trip time impact (+5mins) and that's before you account for the fact that Lefferts riders could transfer to the anywhere. -Yes, the once served 179. The also once ran express on Broadway, the to the Brighton Line, and the to Forest Hills. Does the past existence of any of these service permutations mean we should replicate them today? Abso-f*cking-lutely not. A proposal needs to be made on merit, not on precedent. And here, there is simply no merit -- as the precedent shows. The was cut back from 179 not as part of some evil scheme, but because its extension to that stop was deemed to be negative for riders. via local from 75-179 means all those local stops in between get direct express service to Manhattan, whereas with the they're forced to suffer transfers and related waits. So sure, 179 has to suffer an extra 2 mins of runtime, but 169, Supthin, Briarwood and 75th all get halfway decent service, which is good not just from a rider perspective, but also from an operational one -- encouraging use of all stations equally means less crowding at express stations. -This notion of train 'belonging' somewhere or another is adorable...and wrong. I'll grant you that lines that don't look like Us or Os or Cs are good in that they facilitate commutes through the core, but to privilege the needs of the few who actually make those commutes over the volume of line passengers who want to go to Midtown is, at best, indicative of misguidedness. -Using existing conditions to argue against a proposal that seeks to change said conditions is quite the circularity. Put less verbosely, the whole idea of the via local proposal is that you're spreading loads. People like expresses better, yes, but they also like 53 better. So you get a choice -- local via 53, or express via 63. Thus, in making the choice between express and local one of destination as well as one of speed, you affect in increase in real capacity, as people now have a reason to stay on/take the local. As to the , the point isn't that it's called the , it's that we have a new service from 8th Ave to 53 to Queens. You can call it the (AA) for all I care. -Ditto here. You call it whatever you want; the salient point is that we're running all Broadway local trains to Astoria (and all expresses to 96). -The is at >90% guideline over the Williamsburg Bridge, and is really the only thing standing between the and utter pandemonium. 15tph is absolutely a justifiable service level. I'd strongly recommend 9 car trains, too. -Don't even begin to understand what you're saying about the , so I'm just gonna go ahead and rehash my logic. The thought is this: the (especially beyond Broadway Jct) run through some of the most underdeveloped land in NYC, land which could play a big role in solving some of this city's housing issues if it had halfway decent transit. Killing skip stop is a great start; running an express to Manhattan at some operable/tangible frequency makes it even more attractive. -God forbid we run frequent transit! The Rockaway peninsula is, first of all, not the only thing on the Rockaway branch of the , and second is absolutely in need of more/better service. To the first point, JFK could be a not insignificant ridership generator for the , but with the bare bones service run today, people trying to catch flights are not going to subject themselves to 20 mins of schedule variability unless they're truly at leisure. To the second: there is a not-insignificant demographic that today uses the Q52/53 to get on/off the peninsula instead of the because one simply cannot rely on the to come, which is poor use of resources, and affects a loss in rider time. More to Far Rockaway kills these two birds with one stone. - to Rosedale is a poor idea for several reasons. First, building els over local roads just won't fly these days. Second, giving people the less direct route to Midtown via an extension of an already long route strikes me as nonsensical, especially given that (third) you have capacity that can easily be pulled down to Rosedale in the form of the . If you want Lower Manhattan, get the at Archer, or ride through on the . -Brooklyn SAS should go via Bridge to BMT South. SAS and Fulton already suffer from a lack of transfers; SAS to Fulton would just preserve the existing issue. SAS via Bridge, conversely, gets it all the transfers available at Barclays, gives the reliever the best route from Brooklyn to Manhattan, and gives Fulton a train that gives it a good link with the BMT/areas along Broadway. -I'm congesting Manhattan...? More core capacity means less crowding, better coverage, and more capacity with which we can build in the outer boroughs. I want to stress, too, that Manhattan isn't fully covered -- the far west side, which is today completely reliant on the already-stressed , needs a second line to serve the development slated. It seems you're pushing circumferentials, which I think is an honorable goal, just not one that should come at the expense of core build out.
  15. 1 point
    Depends on what sort of information. It’s kosher to share broad strokes on braking systems, acceleration control or things generally extrapolable from publicly accessible information. Fine details of train operation and especially access and start procedures are the things that have got people in trouble historically, if I’m not mistaken. Point being, it’s usually okay to ask, just not to push.
  16. 1 point
    They get one but he was supposed to start at 8, not 8:20 when he has been sitting on the bus the whole time. I’m like WTF?? I’m here standing in the cold and this guy is having dinner when he should be starting the trip.
  17. 1 point
    Don’t bad mouth my equipment sir lol. 😛
  18. 1 point
    Someone was charging their E-cigarette/Juul/vape pen in the USB charger on the QM1 tonight. Go figure.
  19. 1 point
    OMNY readers are starting to show up on the buses now, 2580 and 2639 have them
  20. 1 point
    Jeez jamaica's on its shit today 4913, 4915, 4974, 5069, 5151, 5157 also all scrapped
  21. 1 point
    Your # 4 just made me get angry lol. I seriously hate when I'm on a tech train and customers come up to me and ask what train this is. #1 & 2 I pretty much accepted the fact that these trains are built with shorter people in mind. Sucks, but nothing we can do. Are the windows Atleast tall people friendly? Idk if you ever worked in the A division, but as a comparison the Bombardier R142's are HORRIBLE for anyone slightly taller than average. Literal pain in the neck trains.
  22. 1 point
    IMG_4776 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4778 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4782 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4783 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4786 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4790 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4791 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4793 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4794 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4795 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4798 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4799 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4802 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4807 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4808 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4809 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4810 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4828 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4829 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4834 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4839 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4840 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4841 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4843 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4846 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4847 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4849 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4850 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4884 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4888 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4889 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4892 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4895 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4898 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4899 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4980 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4981 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4988 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4989 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4992 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4996 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5009 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5011 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5015 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5020 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5022 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5024 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5026 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5027 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5030 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5036 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5039 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5040 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5041 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5043 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5051 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5052 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5061 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5062 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5063 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5067 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5070 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5071 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5072 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5073 by GojiMet86, on Flickr
  23. 1 point
    I spent some time in Brooklyn trying to catch some RTS, seeing that 1) I don't go to Brooklyn that much and 2) their days are limited. IMG_4787 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4801 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4804 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4811 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4836 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4861 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4862 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4863 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4864 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_4866 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5007 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5016 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5023 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5025 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5035 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5055 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_5056 by GojiMet86, on Flickr
  24. 1 point
    I only work the A line, don't know about the J, the ride felt fine, like a cloud. Sorry, that's all I can say on here.
  25. 1 point
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  26. 1 point
    I pressed enter by accident: If we are to create any new subway track, it should mainly be connections to other places besides SAS obviously for the short term.
  27. 1 point
    This is perhaps seven years out of date, but Cap'n Transit had a Google Doc spreadsheet that I think used the MTC reports combined with track hour to produce some measurements of overcrowding. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lc5lnyvbO2WMOPSm09ktjUSJiOP79UjdnYapTWkeo8Q/edit#gid=934740538
  28. 1 point
    Because it's the that's why. Common sense isn't so logic with them. Aside from that, your average customer wouldn't care anyway, which is likely their thinking and it's easy for dispatchers, etc. to just check information as needed. They just want to get from point A to point B and as quickly as possible. I sure as heck never knew the situation until you mentioned it.
  29. 1 point
    Sorry, my bad, I will remain from posting that in the future. (If the didn't want people to see B/O's paddles, I'm not sure why that website is accessible to the public.) Back on topic: most BXM10s this morning were 20-30 minutes late. Was there alot of traffic today?
  30. 1 point
    This was recorded sometime in late March, and I totally forgot about it. Fastrack was happening on 8th Avenue, so /s were routed via 6th Avenue. As I was waiting for an train, this test train pulled in. Currently, it is already in service on the as of today. Enjoy!!
  31. 1 point
    Interpret this however you want but we need to make cost effective proposals in order to maintain and expand the system.
  32. 1 point
    Lol, they are the masters of short notice!
  33. 1 point
    That was one thing I was looking to do in the SB platform proposal; I'd like to see the parking lots by N. Conduit be used as housing and trying to upzone some other areas nearby (having the racetrack stop be two way and maybe even moving the platforms a bit further north to Linden might help spur this).
  34. 1 point
    We have several conflicting stories about these mystery XD40’s, and I should have details soon. We don’t have any more options and the only order possibly pending is for MTA Bus. Is this is expedited then it would make sense, however it’s not adding up right now. Deployment hasn’t changed as of today, yet a mystery 7851-7905 are officially registers as pending. Interestingly enough they show as 2018’s whereas and the batch before those are listed as 2019’s.
  35. 1 point
    That's just when school is out for the summer. That would've been a perfect time to return the RTS buses. After all, right now they could use all the buses they need to fix the crap shot of a service called the B1 at Kingsborough, and the massive disaster of a crowding situation that occurs every single PM rush when classes let out. Its a huge disaster over there and there are not enough buses to fix this as we speak.
  36. 1 point
    The MTA is having people going to the meeting go to the 75th Avenue station instead of the Union Tpke which is right next door! Get Involved We're holding our first public meeting to discuss the Queens Bus Network Redesign. The Queens Borough Board Meeting Monday, April 15, 2019 5:30 - 7:00 PM Queens Borough Hall 120-55 Queens Boulevard Kew Gardens, NY 11424-1015 Directions: E F to 75 Av station
  37. 1 point
    Just watch at 2x speed and everything will be ok /s
  38. 1 point
    @QM1to6Ave Could you imagine that BxM10 driver driving down Union Turnpike??!! LMAO
  39. 1 point
    I certainly don’t miss them. Their A/C was crap, doors opened and closed too slowly, and their structural issues don’t help them either. I’m glad they’re gone.
  40. 1 point
    Now that it's clear that this group doubles as a advocacy group, and our "Express Bus Lounge" where we shoot the breeze, crack jokes about our comments and fellow rides, etc., on to the latest news: -Senator Gounardes is paying a visit to Ulmer Park Depot today with the head of NYCT Buses Division to discuss service, maintenance and the facility. He has been seeing posts about a number of service issues (overcrowding, excessively late and missing buses, buses breaking down, safety issues with buses, etc.) and is looking to have them addressed them ASAP. -We have shared a number of posts and photos with Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams regarding Brooklyn express bus service, concerns about safety, unreliable service and the like, and asked that he meet with the to voice our concerns and have them addressed. In addition, we've asked for some level of assurance that the can maintain and keep the current service with congestion pricing being passed. It's important that people have transportation options with the high tolls coming into play in the near future. We think that's a reasonable request, as the BMs especially don't have that much service outside of rush hour anyway, so use the existing service to take cars off of the road where possible. -Our Round Table Transit Meeting will be later today. It will include the Chair of the New York State Transportation Committee, Senator Ted Kennedy. We look forward to sharing our ideas about the needs of express bus commuters that live in transportation deserts.
  41. 1 point
    I have to say that some people clearly don’t know what advocacy groups are. Just because we talk about things that annoy us during our commutes and post about it doesn’t mean that we’re meeting with the about those things, and it would be stupid to do so. To be CLEAR, we meet with the about the following: -Issues with service (e.g. missing buses, severely late buses such as buses being 20-40 minutes late) -Overcrowding -Ongoing missing scheduled service -Maintenance issues such as buses regularly breaking down which impacts service, or safety issues If the DOT is invited, we talk about the following: -Bus lanes -Transit Signal Priority -Bus stops in terms of safety -Bus shelters -HOV lanes, etc. I could go on but I think it should be clear, and quite frankly, it’s pretty pathetic that I need to even post this. There are lots of advocacy groups on Facebook, and ALL of them have riders that complain about their commutes. It’s called VENTING, and it’s normal, but ultimately, we care about the service first and foremost. There are bus drivers in one of the SI express bus groups heckling riders that vent. Let people vent! There are lounges and Facebook groups for workers where workers bitch and moan about passengers and that’s fine. People are allowed to have a place to complain. -We also speak at hearings about farehikes if it negatively impacts riders in terms of having extremely high fare increases. That said, I think the idea should be clear now, and if people aren’t clear on it by now, they’ll never know what advocacy groups do, but just about every sort of Transit group does this. Bus groups, subway groups, LIRR groups... Same crap. You have people talking about news articles, posting jokes, complaining about their commutes, etc. Pefectly normal. Anyone that wants to join the group I will NOT tolerate any BS, so don’t bother to join if you want to come in with drama. No warnings. We have plenty of bus drivers in the group. They are respectful and engage with passengers and we have discussions about various things. Again that is normal...
  42. 1 point
    lol I figured this couldn’t have been recent. All the VIP said was start a school car experience thread for conductors compared to the one for train operators. He never said to cheat or send answers! Saying stuff like that sounds like a recent class out of school car had that happen, which is not the case and that article clearly stayed metro north employees! I’m sure it’s not a problem if you add to the original school car thread VIP.
  43. 1 point
    It is very nice to have met all of those who are in this April’s school car. This section of the forum doesn’t have a Conductor’s School Car thread. Maybe we should be the class to provide feedback, a “survival guide” and expectations to those future conductors? What do you think?
  44. 1 point
  45. 1 point
    It was nice to see tech trains on the Local line of Lexington Av IMO. Also, to the R142 and R142A difference, the R142s are loud when they're sitting at the terminal waiting to depart the station. Speaking of tech trains on the local , there are two more weekends of this month to be in-use on this line.
  46. 1 point
    On the details now, with updates coming to the first page.
  47. 1 point
    Pretty interesting update on the XD40 order, they're getting 30 more buses, the last bus is now 7905.
  48. 1 point
    I was being sarcastic concerning widening the sidewalk. Screen Shot 2019-04-01 at 6.19.16 PM by Union Turnpike, on Flickr What are your alternatives?
  49. 1 point
    The only thing this proposal accomplishes an increase in Dekalb congestion (new merge, new merge), a reduction in potential Brighton capacity, and an inconvenience for Sea Beach. Sea Beach and West End are longer routes with higher ridership than 4th Local. They get express service. 4th local straight-rails into Montague, and has cross platform transfers to both sides of the bridge at multiple stations. It gets tunnel. You are more then welcome to throw a Nassau service into the mix for diversity's sake, but you're not welcome to reinvent the wheel... To this whole debate: Broad is only an issue insofar as your terminal ops suck, something that'd need to be fixed at Forest Hills anyway. The merge at Essex would be annoying, yes, but the fact that it's a terminal allows you to hold a conflicting for a minute so that a can clear. Optimal? No. Dealbreaker? No. This just comes down to whether or not you think there's a value in having Nassau-4th Service instead of more Broadway-4th.
  50. 1 point
    I mean they dealt with the being local in Manhattan for 6 years... The reroute via Mountague adds a short amount of time to the commute. If they have a problem, they can simply take the or at Atlantic.
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