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The last thing anyone should be worrying about is the stupid train cars, which can be replaced...

Agreed in entirety. Unfortunately, your words seem to have gone over many people's heads- a crime worthy of federal investigation was committed, an employee died in the line of duty, but no, all they keep asking about is "OMG what happens to the R142s"... Has anyone stopped to think about what will happen to the family he left behind? Un-f**king-believable, really and truly...

Thank you for saying this. I was reluctant to make any comment about this incident but after reading the first page or so of comments my blood began to boil. A man lost his life and people are commenting on the condition of some pieces of metal ? Wow, just wow. Nothing more to say. Carry on.

The C/R is a hero for saving the lives of all the passengers, and got murdered in what appears to be deliberately set fires. This is murder! This one really really hit me. It makes me so angry that in the last few years more and more conductors have been insulted, assaulted, beaten, spat on and disrespected. Do people not realize how hard their job is? How much of a toll it takes on them? I wish condolences to the family and friends of this true hero. I don't know why these fires were started, but (from a distance) it seems that career criminals and vandals are seizing on lower subway ridership to wreak havoc. This has got to stop. One Person Dies and 16 Are Injured in a Subway Fire in Manhattan The New York Fire Department said reports about the fire, at the 110th Street Central Park North subway stop, came in at about 3:20 a.m. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/nyregion/subway-fire-death.html?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage Police outside of the 110th Street Central Park North stop on Friday. By Christina Goldbaum and Maria Cramer March 27, 2020 Updated 10:42 a.m. ET A subway conductor was killed early Friday after a fire erupted inside a train car at a station along the northern edge of Central Park, officials said. The fire was reported as a No. 2 train pulled into the station and a transit employee, who was on the train as a passenger, told the conductor that there was heavy smoke and fire in the second car of the train, said Brian McGee, a deputy chief of detectives. When the train stopped at the station around 3:18 a.m., both workers for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority evacuated passengers. But when emergency workers arrived on the scene the conductor was found laying on the tracks, officials said. He was later pronounced dead at Mount Sinai Hospital. Police were investigating the fire and believe it may be connected to two other fires in the transit system in Manhattan, one at 86th Street station and another at 96th Street station, that were also reported around 3:15 a.m. Friday. A third fire on the street level was reported later in the morning at the 116th Street station. “We are devastated by this, this is a hard moment for New York City Transit,” Sarah Feinberg, interim president of New York City Transit, said at a news conference on Friday morning. Seventeen other people, including five firefighters, were injured, according to a spokesman for the New York Fire Department. Four people were in critical condition, and another person was in serious condition but the injuries were not life-threatening. The five firefighters suffered minor injuries. More than 100 emergency personnel responded and the fire was brought under control at about 3:50 a.m., he said. At about 6:45 a.m. firefighters were still working to extinguish the flames. Video from outside the station shows plumes of black smoke pouring out of the sidewalk grates as the fire raged in the early morning. It is unclear how the fire began or whether it started inside or outside the car, said Lieutenant Thomas Antonetti, a spokesman for the New York Police Department. “That’s what they’re trying to ascertain,” he said of the fire investigators on the scene Friday morning. No arrests have been made, according to the police, who are investigating the incident as a criminal matter. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which runs the subway, wrote on Twitter at 3:24 a.m. that it was trying to remove a train from service at the station, and then said that it had “removed power on all tracks to allow the Fire Department to extinguish a fire” there. The agency suspended some service on the No. 2 and No. 3 lines Friday morning, with delays on the No. 4 and No. 5 lines as well.

Hobbyism taken too far.... Anyway, I was reading through this thread (and other articles, other than the one copy/pasted), wanting to find out when, where, and how this fire even started, and if anyone was injured & what not (and to what extent).... Eventually came upon those pictures of those charred subway cars & subway vandalism (in this case, particularly, arson) immediately came to mind.... Unfortunately, you have the poor guy that ended up losing his life trying to save others apparently, with several others suffering serious injuries.... ...and for those that DGAF about it, I'd say there is a direct correlation of [that nonchalantness] and [the acts of disrespect & lack of human decency being directed at these front line workers]... You see people just doing their jobs (especially inside stores & what not) getting yelled at and/or cursed out, unprovoked, like it's permissible & never really understood it - not just from a buyer/seller perspective, but from a manager/managee level as well.... Always saw the whole thing as corny, to be honest.... But to sum this up, regardless of what they make salary-wise, blue collar work has long been stigmatized in society & I for one have always abhorred it....

Honestly it’s better to be safe than sorry. Better to send people home than risk the health and lives of others.

My ass sure isn't looking for them! Haven't stepped foot in the subway in a week, prolly the longest in my life...

Frankly, the MTA spent too much time doing the opposite when they were compelling people to work when they were sick, preventing people from taking precautions to protect themselves or making employees work in areas inhabited by people that had positive results. Just because people aren't dropping like Flies doesn't mean the risk isn't serious, Italy had that same attitude in regards to not 'panicking' over 'slight' illness...and right now their country is melting before our eyes. If this is what it takes to prevent my neighbors from suffering the same fate then so be it and if a few dozen people have to take the Q112 from Rockaway Blvd then OH WELL, BOO HOO.

Something to be thankful for here is that the T/O got the train to 110. Tunnel fires are scary; tunnel fires in deep bored tunnels built to 1900s egress standards and with little fire protection could have been even more catastrophic. My heart goes out to the family of the deceased; he's a hero.

Yeah c'mon guys this is appalling. Who gives a shit about the equipment? And no, this is not because somebody didn't like the rolling stock used. I know there's a lot of mental illness in the transit community, and we don't need to yell at those people for their responses to this, but the rest of you guys gotta get it together on this. A man is dead. And this looks a whole lot like arson.

This is a larger societal problem but people just don't give a shit about this. To some degree, public facing jobs like these have become viewed upon as slavery (see bellyaching about "essential workers" and minimum wage in this pandemic)

No, it’s #coronachan.

Voldemort is back?

Possibly, I feel the picture would not have been taken if they did know about it, and I do also feel it should be removed. Putting that aside, the T/O's response in such a tragedy must be commended, he helped out even at a time when less and less people are riding the system. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family, as well as the people affected. @B35 via Church Me and my AP Physics teacher actually talked about the possibility of the system getting shut down (when talking about the coronavirus, before it closed schools), we both agreed it's basically impossible. The public would want the system shut down, without considering the people and workers it still continues to serve. People are instinctively anti-subway when tragedy hits, and it's usually not necessitated.

Remember that the 2017s aren't theirs to keep. Easier to commit something to the Q70 that's going to stay there as opposed to doing the 17s, then having to unwrap them, then having to wrap the 19s.

Here is some footage I took of the R42s on the (A)(B)(C)(D)(E)(F)(G)(J)(L)(M)(N)(R)(W)(V)(Z) and other Note footage on the and are very shaky Enjoy

Truly lethal ? Ask those people in China, Iran, and Italy if they share your point of view. The plague, smallpox, typhoid, TB, the “Spanish” flu were all lethal in their time, right ? What would you consider a proportionate response to those pandemic times ? I’m truly interested in your point of view. You do realize that all it takes is just a few untreated people in the US, or any country in the world, to bring a local, national, or the international economy and world wide stability crashing which is what intelligent people are trying to avoid. I’m not speaking of the social media “experts” but the doctors, economists, and responsible politicians worldwide who seemed to coalesce around a plan of action. Just my take. We can agree to disagree. No hard feelings. Carry on.

artics have shown up repeatedly on the sbs Q70 in various situations. btw, any bus operator worth his/her salary won't ever have a problem making that turn into (or out of) that terminal bay (i doubt they'd alter it for safety reasons). if you stick to your training, PAY ATTENTION and set up your spacing properly, that turn is a piece of cake (relatively speaking) if you DON'T rush 'em. that's when you invite problems upon yourself.

You know what they're not gonna need in about a month? Artics.

Sounds painful.

I found an on-scene video on the incident, for those interested. WARNING: This content could be disturbing for some viewers. This was definitely not something myself or anyone would’ve expected to happen. My heart goes to the family of the MTA worker who lost his life on duty; I can’t imagine what they must be going through right now. As New Yorkers, we must remain strong, through these tough times.

The responses kinda remind me of this video...

Definitely arson based on how many fires were set and how quickly they burned.

Thanks for the update. That's what I figured. As for the vs signage...... well who cares? I've operated trains via 7th Avenue without any complaints. General rule is/was if it's headed toward your destination get on board or get left on the platform. DTC I'm sure you've noticed the clueless ridership while making your rounds through the years. Makes you wonder, right ? Carry on.

LOL we sure don't play.... We even made our own blockage beside the transit chain links.. We took the W/C seat belts strap and hook it across the other side W/C seat belt clips to form it like an "X" shape or just ran one across the lower level of the chain links just so if any passenger is trying to sneak underneath the chain, they wont be able to fully unless you're flexible. I'll tell you from an operator point, It feels so great to not have anyone boarding the front of the bus and really feel secured.

4756 GA to UP

For my Surface amigo a C/R closes the rear, checking the indication that all doors are closed and locked, then repeats the process with the front section and then passes indication to the T/O which allows the train to move. This is by rule . Passenger safety and all that. The seconds you called delay are built into the schedule. FYI a C/R who closes both sections at the same time is looking at a suspension if lucky, demotion or termination in the worst case. Just trying to clear up things. Carry on.

there were 2 on the and one or 2 on the . 3380/81 got repaired so I doubt it's retired, most of the cars are in storage until needed.

IDK, but what's starting to anger me (the more I think about this) is that this reeks to me of a crime of opportunity... I really don't want to start hearing outcries from the general public of "shut the subway down" or any monday morning quarterbacking thought process surrounding "the subway system should've been closed anyway".....

firstly, I've ALWAYS communicated if I'm killing lights to avoid being hot, going back to my probation year at East NY 11 years ago. secondly, taking a longer swing without being instructed is a write up (unauthorized delay of service)

Probably. If they are not damaged, they could replace the R110B being used by the FDNY.

Wouldn’t those just be trains…?

Nope that's not the reason. A good amount of crews are unavailable because of the virus. Has nothing to do with the reduce ridership.

https://new.mta.info/precautions-against-coronavirus Service changes for tomorrow: : Trains will stop at 138th Street all day. : All service will terminate at Bowling Green. There will be no service and no service to Nereid Avenue. : Suspended : Rockaway Park service will not run. : Suspended. : Trains will operate local. : Trains from 179th Street will not run. : Suspended. : Service will run local all day. : Service will run local in Manhattan. SIR : Service will operate every 20 minutes during the rush hour, making all local stops

It's currently assigned to FP. 6839 is only at FP. It has not hit service since it's arrival.

Church certainly could use a little help on the policy side, but there are real infrastructure constraints there -- especially if NYCT ever lengthens Gs to >300'. The ramp down to the lower level is timed to 10mph, making the diverging move down to the layups S L O W. The ramps themselves are also quite short, so if you get downstairs and don't have a lineup into a relay, a long train will overhang onto the main. Once you're at the yard, things don't improve. Some aspiring engineer decided to mess with the switch config in the yard durin the resignalling, so instead of having this: We now have this: Which reduces flexibility and forces the installation of annoyingly restrictive signalling. The relays themselves are also only 600' long and have AK signals on them, so if you're a long train you're gonna c r e e p in, reducing turning capacity. These problems, with the exceptions of the ramp and relay length are fixable, but would require a decent bit of investment. When the alternative is good for ops, good for the budget (because of the amount of time it takes to relay a train, doing the 8m + layover time trip to 18th would be approximately cost neutral but ridership-positive), and good politics....why not? The 4th Avenue corridor has 3 branches and 2 tracks in each direction. You're stuck with a merge kinda however you want to slice the pie, so to speak. The move off of West End is nasty, so I'd imagine that new xovers south of 36 could only be an improvement. Free yard space! Also overflow for whatever you can't turn at 18. If you move the crossovers, you could definitely do more than 15tph. Both levels have tail tracks (albeit ones that are normally occupied), so with good switch geometry I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be looking at capacity figures that begin with a 2 or a 3.

I Just want to confirm the rear door boarding process which temporary starts effectively tomorrow March 23, 2020. All local/Limited buses only will allowed passengers to board/un-board through the back door with free of charge. The only passengers that will be allowed to board the front door is ADA passengers or passengers who are unable to board the rear door due to complication where they need the bus to kneel lower. For express buses passengers will still have to load through the front door and pay their fare but will not be allowed to sit at the first 3 front seats. Select Buses Service will do the same as local/limited buses service but will have to continue paying their fare by using the normal paying method and load at the rear doors. It also has been instructed due to the COVID-19 we are not allowed to load not more than 20 passengers "Which will be very hard to maintain". As a B41 Operator today we started the rear boarding a day earlier on the route and had buses either equipped with chain links or used the W/C seat belts to block off the area where passengers were not allowed temporary. As a operator point of view it made my day go a whole lot easier and quicker to maneuver down the routes. We shall see how will this turn out as the days follows during this crisis.

Tell me how you’re distinguishing on sight someone sweating, coughing, and wheezing due to flu from one with COVID-19? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/coronavirus-what-happens-to-peoples-lungs-when-they-get-covid-19

Right, I'm guessing a number of 32s get held in active storage while this disaster continues. I doubt there will even be scrap opportunities available – nonessential businesses are getting closed, after all! Plus, after the 179 disaster door earlier in the year, I think it was made pretty clear why it's important to have cars on active reserve.

Definitely not true. Spotted one on the Friday heading southbound.

Hey, be advised that the R32’s are not the priority fleet assignment for the They’re now considered supplemental equipment used as spare/put ins. There’s 108 cars available in rotation for service. I don’t Know where anyone got “58” cars left in service. That’s inaccurate.

On the short term map, express/ local allows you to deinterline 59, 50 and Canal without touching Queens and helps keep the to a decent length. Once you've done that, you're somewhat forced to do to Brighton -- to 4th would mean you either end up with 4 weekend services on CPW (the two expresses, and then two locals because you need one for each branch of 4th exp), more local than express service on CPW, or one of West End/Sea Beach without weekend service to Manhattan. On the long term, I figure a) continuity is good, b) the logic rel. the still holds, c) the as an overlay Brighton Express/Concourse Local service is legible and really pretty to operate (clear hierarchies of primary/secondary services makes disruption management easier because it's easy to thin out/suspend a train without messing up some branch's service).

4963 is at Quill.

Whoever caused a fire on R142 6346-6350, that killed a motorman, must not have the intelligence inside his head. Someone doesn’t like the R142s but this one went too far saying, just because we have a pandemic shutdown of business, does not give this person the rights to destroy a subway car.

Not even close. The keyword is "or". Option A - to Laurelton. Preferably, to Green Acres if you can get Nassau to agree to it, since a mall is a more logical transit hub. 15TPH of 10-car, 60 ft cars to Laurelton. All LIRR service moves to St. Albans branch. Third track is built to accommodate peak demand. Option B - NYCT takeover of inner LIRR services. Preferred. Long Beach, Far Rockaway, and West Hempstead branches in the south, and Port Washington, Rockaway Beach, and Hempstead in the north are taken over by NYCT as the C Division. The C Division operates trains similar in size to the LIRR (12 car, 85 ft trains), but interior and door layout are more similar to that of a subway car. To increase core capacity into Manhattan, a tunnel is built linking East Side Access to Atlantic. Together with East Side Access, this basically provides Queens, Brooklyn, and western Nassau with essentially 48TPH of services into Manhattan. (24TPH to Downtown via Midtown, 24TPH to Midtown via downtown) Either scenario features a yard in the current Railroad Park.

“Expect longer waits for 2 trains in both directions. Take a 1 or 3 train, if you can. We are running as many trains as reliably as we can with the crews we have available.” The 12:50pm train departure from 241 st, is cancelled due to engineer availability. Please take the 12:58pm departure from 241, making an additional stop at North Elizabeth.

You are a part of the problem....nahh lemme stop😂.

Staten Island has no artics

I haven't heard anything solid yet. It's way too early being that the first bus for NYCT hasn't been built yet. The other thing is that it's not going to be a simple give new buses to this depot, send old buses to retire older buses at another depot. The Prevosts are starting to hit 200K miles. That will be a factor when these buses are delivered. On top of that, the option order is to allow the MTA to take the SIM23 and 24 from Academy.