BM5 via Woodhaven

Speaking of X trips, I really do think they should try their hand with a 119X. That trip down to Bayonne can be brutal even outside the rush hour, I can only imagine how much worse it gets during rush hours. Plus I do think there's ridership to support such a service

Way I would do it is basically all stops south of Sip Avenue along JFK Boulevard, then express to/from Manhattan (no JSQ). That could mean take Tonnelle Avenue to NJ-495 between New York and Jersey City.

Given that they already have short-turns to/from JFK Boulevard & 61st Street that shouldn't be too much of an issue (especially since inbound buses are pick-up only). Perhaps it can start off as a weekday rush hour type of thing, and then expand as necessary.

10B/10C service will be eliminated on April 28th. That is the same day that the microtransit zone is going to begin.

https://sctbus.org/SCT-On-Demand

SMH at all this microtransit craze going on that have all these transit agencies going f**king stupid with it. I can maybe get East Hampton (10B area) as a microtransit zone (and don't have issue with the Southampton one which replaced the 10A), but gutting East Hampton to Montauk fixed-route service? That trip takes quite some time to do (to get to someone either traveling within Montauk, or between East Hampton and Montauk). The round trip will add up, there should have been a fixed route between those two points. 

Complete joke and disappointing. On a sidenote, I can only imagine the nonsense that will will come out whenever the final Westchester redesign plan comes through which is arguably worse in scale than with Suffolk. 

Part Suspended

There are no trains between 96 St and 57 St-7 Av while we conduct an investigation at Lexington Av/63 St. Expect delays in both directions.

Service Changes:

The last stop on northbound trains is Lexington Av/59 St.

The last stop on northbound trains is 57 St-7 Av.

Travel Alternatives:

For service to/from Lexington Av/63 St, take an train to/from 34 St-Herald Sq.

As an alternative to/from stations between 96 St and 72 St, take a train to nearby stations along Lexington Av.

Planned work reminder:

This weekend, service operates in two sections:

1. Shuttle train between Ditmars Blvd and 39 Av-Dutch Kills.

2. Between Coney Island and 57 St-7 Av, and via the to/from 96 St.

Posted: 04/07/2024 12:20 AM

Interesting....

Reroute

Southbound trains are running with delays while we address a signal malfunction at Atlantic Av-Barclays Ctr.

Some southbound trains will run via the  line from Atlantic Av-Barclays Ctr to Atlantic Av-Barclays Ctr then express to Franklin Av-Medgar Evers College.

Listen for announcements to hear how your train will run.

Posted: 04/04/2024 05:03 PM

11 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

BXM10 - Service Rerouted via 2nd Avenue North of 86th Street, Additional Stops Added in Manhattan

• Two additional stops have been added on 2nd Avenue at East 96th & 87th Streets
• One additional stop has been added on 3rd Avenue at East 87th Street
• Buses towards Midtown have been rerouted via 2nd Avenue (from 5th Avenue) between 116th and 86th Streets
• Bus map is WRONG on the new timetable, see accurate map here

 

For some reason this linked to the B82 timetable, you can see the BxM10 timetable here.

Day two:

After a relatively long hiatus, I am back with the list of route and schedule changes this week. Simply put, I just don't have the same time like I used to, and making these lists can take time, usual several days if there are enough changes to the departure times. I actually was not planning to do one this time around, but some route and stop changes caught my eye earlier today (technically yesterday) at this point. Thankfully while there were multiple new timetables issued, many of them were just the MTA dicking around with the formatting for whatever reason. Some new timetables are also the first under the new format. So it did not take me relatively long to compile everything together. Also Staten Island had zero changes so that was great.

While most of the changes went into effect on Sunday, some others are from either earlier in the year or from last year, which have been noted. The comparisons and the changes seen below for virtually all the routes were done based on the current issue timetable vs. the issued timetable in February 2023. 

THE BRONX

Bx19 - Improvements to Weekday Rush Hour Service, Cuts to Weekday Evening Service

• Changes to northbound service levels:
  • 8:02-9:00 AM - Service operates every 5 minutes instead of every 7 minutes (+1 trip)
  • 9:25-11:41 AM - Service operates every 6-8.5 minutes instead of every 8-9 minutes (+2 trips)
  • 3:12-5:04 PM - Service operates every 5-7 minutes instead of every 6-8 minutes (+1 trip)
  • 11:20 PM-12:20 AM - Service operates every 15 minutes instead of every 12 minutes (-1 trip)
• Changes to southbound service levels:
  • 6:48-8:05 AM - Service operates every 5-6 minutes instead of every 6-8 minutes (+2 trips)
  • 9:15 AM-12:16 PM - Service operates every 8.5 minutes instead of every 9 minutes (+1 trip)
  • 3:40-4:10 PM - Service operates every 6 minutes instead of every 7.5 minutes (+1 trip)
  • 5:55-6:55 PM - Service operates every 12 minutes instead of every 10 minutes (-1 trip)
  • 8:55-9:55 PM - Service operates every 15 minutes instead of every 12 minutes (-1 trip)

Bx27 - Additional Weekday AM Service Extended One Stop to Soundview Ferry Stop, Span to Stop Extended

• The following weekday buses starting from Soundview Ave & Stephens Ave now start at the Soundview Ferry Stop:
  • 5:15 AM (now passing at 5:17 AM - new first bus)
  • 5:45 AM
  • 6:35 AM
  • 7:12 AM
  • 7:49 AM
  • Service starts 67 minutes earlier than former schedule
• The following weekday buses from Morrison & Westchester Ave have been extended to serve the Soundview Ferry Stop:
  • 5:00 AM (new first bus)
  • 5:27 AM 
  • 6:13 AM
  • 6:49 AM
  • 7:23 AM
  • Service starts 61 minutes earlier than former schedule

BxM2 - Buses now Serve Harlem, Stop Discontinued on the Upper East Side

• Buses will now stop at 5th Avenue & West 125th Street towards West Midtown
• Buses will now stop at Madison Avenue & West 123rd Street towards Riverdale
• The 5th Avenue & 94th Street drop-off stop will be discontinued, the 98th Street stop will be the nearest alternative
• No route changes as a result of stop changes, see here for map overview

BXM10 - Service Rerouted via 2nd Avenue North of 86th Street, Additional Stops Added in Manhattan

• Two additional stops have been added on 2nd Avenue at East 96th & 87th Streets
• One additional stop has been added on 3rd Avenue at East 87th Street
• Buses towards Midtown have been rerouted via 2nd Avenue (from 5th Avenue) between 116th and 86th Streets
• Bus map is WRONG on the new timetable, see accurate map here

BROOKLYN

B9 - Changes and Reductions to PM Weekday School Trippers

• The PM put-ins from 60th Street & 20th Avenue to Bay Ridge have been changed as follows (-1 trip):
  • OLD - 2:55 PM, 3:00 PM
  • NEW - 2:45 PM
• The 3:05 and 3:10 PM put-ins from Avenue M & East 18 Street will no longer skip 60th Street & Bay Parkway
• The 3:58 and 4:08 PM put-ins from Avenue L & Flatbush Avenue will no longer skip 60th Street & Bay Parkway

B82 Local - Cuts to Weekday Afternoon and Evening Service, Minor Increases to some AM Rush Service

• Changes to eastbound service levels:
  • 6:52-8:00 AM - Service operates every 8-11 minutes instead of every 10-12 minutes (+1 trip)
  • 8:25-10:20 AM - Service operates every 12 minutes instead of every 10 minutes (-2 trips)
  • 2:50-4:10 PM - Service operates every 8-9 minutes instead of every 10 minutes (+2 trips)
  • 4:30-6:10 PM - Service operates every 10-12 minutes instead of every 8-10 minutes (-3 trips)
  • 7:10-9:59 PM - Service operates every 15 minutes instead of every 12 minutes (-3 trips)
• Changes to southbound service levels:
  • 4:20-5:20 AM - Service operates every 10-12 minutes instead of every 12-15 minutes (+1 trip)
  • 5:20-6:41 AM - Service operates every 6-10 minutes instead of every 8-10 minutes (+2 trips)
  • 6:41-8:30 AM - Service operates every  minutes instead of every 6-8 minutes (-3 trips)
  • 12:00-2:26 PM - Service operates every 8-10 minutes instead of every 10-12 minutes (+2 trips) 
  • 2:26-5:01PM - Service operates every 10-14 minutes instead of every 8-12 minutes (-3 trips)
  • 5:01-8:00 PM - Service operates every 14-15 minutes instead of every 12 minutes (-1 trip)
  • 8:30-11:30 PM - Service operates every 17-30 minutes instead of every 15-20 minutes (-2 trips)

MANHATTAN

M20 - Weekday PM Daytime Buses to South Ferry Operate Express Between Greenwich Village and Tribeca, Skipping all of SoHo (Implemented in 2023)

• Buses make a stop at 7th Avenue South & Barrow Street (near Christopher Street ) then operate non-stop to Varick Street & N. Moore St (near Franklin St ) 
• Riders are forced to ride the  train to/from Houston Street and Canal Street stations for skipped stops instead, or walk to/from Barrow and Moore Streets
• The last local bus in the afternoon to make all stops is the 1:40 PM from Lincoln Center
• The first bus in the evening to make all stops is the 6:30 PM from Lincoln Center
• SoHo is not served during this time of day

M35 - Weekday AM Trip Increases

• 5:25 AM-6:10 AM from Harlem - Service will operate every 12-14 minutes instead of every 15-20 minutes (+1 trip)
• 5:32 AM-6:22 AM from Harlem - Service will operate every 12-14 minutes instead of every 15-20 minutes (+1 trip)
• Some other minor adjustments to runtime in the morning afternoon

M100 - Weekday AM Span Adjustments

• The first weekday bus from Inwood now departs at 4:00 AM instead of 4:10 AM 
• The first Saturday bus from Inwood now departs at 5:15 AM instead of 5:20 AM
• Weekday AM service from Inwood before 5:45 AM will operate slightly less frequent (no change in # trips)

QUEENS

Q3 - Weekday Service Cuts During Daytime Hours

• Changes to northbound service levels:
  • 6:06-8:36 AM to Jamaica - Service operates every 15 minutes (with additional Farmers Blvd put-ins until 8 AM) instead of every 12-13 minutes plus put-ins (-3 trips)
  • 11:36 AM-12:36 PM from JFK Airport - Service operates every 15 minutes instead of every 12 minutes (-1 trip)
  • 5:55-8:10 PM from JFK Airport - Service operates every 12-15 minutes instead of every 10 minutes (-2 trips)
• Changes to southbound service levels:
  • 2:44-5:58 PM - Service operates every 10-12 minutes instead of every 9-10 minutes (-3 trips)
  • 5:58-10:23 PM - Less frequent service will operate overall (-1 trip)

Q36 - Additional AM Service Provided to/from Little Neck (Implemented in January 2024)

• The 8:03 AM trip from Jamaica 165th Street Bus Terminal to Floral Park has been extended to Little Neck
• The 7:54 AM and 8:11 AM LIMITED trips from Floral Park to Jamaica starts in Little Neck (40th Ave & Little Neck Pkwy) at 7:34 AM and 7:51, respectively 
• The 7:43 AM LIMITED trip from Little Neck to Jamaica now originates at 257th Street & Jericho Tpke in Floral Park at 8:02 AM

First day back:

Delays

Metropolitan Av-bound and southbound trains are delayed while we address a switch problem near Queens Plaza.

Some Metropolitan Av-bound trains will be rerouted via line from Queens Plaza to Whitehall St-South Ferry.

Listen for train crew announcements to hear how your train will run.

Posted: 04/01/2024 07:51 AM

I also remember just before the covid lockdowns, the  was extended to 168th Street, but it was to replace the  train for some reason that's blanking on me at this point. What I do know is that it was the circumstances of that particular G.O. which led to that service pattern. This was also when the  was regularly going to 96th on weekends. 

Either way, getting the involved in something that has nothing to do with it is unwarranted. Even if the operate every 10 or so minutes on weekends, that means that Astoria riders would be seeing less service than what's proposed under the G.O., if you split up the route to two terminals. That's not to prioritize Astoria riders over everyone else, it's just that there's a lot going on simultaneously. Given everything else that's going on, the 15 minute headway is the least bad scenario.

Part Suspended

There is no train service between 167 St and Woodlawn in both directions.

The last stop on northbound trains is 167 St.

Emergency services are responding to a person who was struck by a train at 183 St.

Travel Alternatives:

Transfer at 161 St-Yankee Stadium to a train for service between Manhattan and the Bronx.

Consider taking a Bx10 bus for service between Bedford Park Blvd and Woodlawn.

Posted: 03/28/2024 09:49 PM

2 hours ago, CyclonicTrainLookout said:

Isn't this the third time today someone got struck by a train? There was one on the 7 line and another at Lex-125 (the latter of which was unfortunately fatal).

The 125th Street one was yesterday, so at the time it made it the second today. The  line one was fatal IINM. However as mentioned above, it is know the third today:

1 hour ago, MJHmarc said:

Another person hit by train in bk effecting F an G right now at 530pm 

More details:

Part Suspended

disrupted in Brooklyn until at least 6:15 PM. holding in stations in Brooklyn. suspended between Bedford-Nostrand Avs and Church Av.

Emergency teams are assisting someone who was struck by a train near 4 Av-9 St.

No trains between 2 Av and Coney Island-Stillwell Av in both directions.

Northbound trains will run on the line from Coney Island-Stillwell Av to Broadway-Lafayette St.

Southbound trains will end at 2 Av.

Church Av-bound trains will end at Bedford-Nostrand Avs.

Alternatives

Transfer to buses near Jay St-MetroTech for service to skipped stations:

• For service to/from Bergen St and Carroll St, take B57 buses.
• For Smith-9 Sts, 4 Av-9 St, 7 Av, and 15 St-Prospect Park, take B61 buses.

Posted: 03/26/2024 05:51 PM

The platform "barriers" were recently installed here:

Part Suspended

train service is severely disrupted until at least 11 AM.

There is extremely limited train service running between Queensboro Plaza and Hudson Yards.

trains are running on the Main St-bound platform between Times Sq-42 St and Grand Central-42 St.

Most trains will end at Queensboro Plaza or Hunters Point Av.

What's Happening?

Emergency teams are responding to someone struck by a train at 5 Av.

Travel Alternatives

For service between Manhattan and Queens, take trains.

LIRR is accepting MetroCard holders at no additional cost between Penn Station/Grand Central and Flushing-Main St

Posted: 03/26/2024 10:26 AM

5 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

How is the  not suspended

Now it is:

Part Suspended

No service between Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and Broadway-Lafayette St.

No service between Delancey St-Essex St and Myrtle Av.

Emergency teams are responding to a person who was struck by a train at Marcy Av.

M trains are operating between 57 St and 2 Av via the line in both directions

For service between Manhattan and Brooklyn, consider trains, or B39 buses.

Expect delays in service.

Posted: 03/24/2024 06:35 PM

Part Suspended

service suspended between Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and Broadway-Lafayette St

trains are delayed in both directions.

Emergency teams are responding to a person who was struck by a train at Marcy Av.

For service between Manhattan and Brooklyn, consider trains.

Posted: 03/24/2024 06:14 PM

Part Suspended

Extremely limited service in Queens. Trains are only stopping at Queensboro Plaza and Astoria Blvd.

Take buses or instead.

What's Happening?

We're addressing a signal problem at Astoria-Ditmars Blvd.

Detailed Service Changes

Most trains are not running to/from Queens, and most northbound trains will end at Times Sq-42 St, 57 St-7 Av, or at 96 St on the .

The few trains that do run in Queens are only stopping at Queensboro Plaza and Astoria Blvd (running express between those stations).

There is no service at 39 Av-Dutch Kills, 36 Av, Broadway, 30 Av or Astoria-Ditmars Blvd.

Alternatives

For service in Astoria, take nearby Q69, Q100-LTD, or Q101 buses on nearby streets.

For service between Astoria and Manhattan, take M60-SBS buses between Astoria Blvd and subway stations on 125th St in Manhattan.

For service between Long Island City and Manhattan, take trains at Queensboro Plaza.

Posted: 03/18/2024 04:20 PM

21 minutes ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

As far as I'm aware, they're still trying to figure out the implementation plan regarding routes on the border (whether they should be done with the Brooklyn routes vs. Queens routes, or be sort of a mid-phase in between the two). 

Given that the only route change that really needs to be implemented in tandem with the Queens routes (if it ends up being on the final plan) is the B62, I think it would make sense to not overwhelm themselves by changing all those Brooklyn routes at the same time. The Queens routes changes in conjunction with the proposed Brooklyn interborough routes could wait as it wouldn't make much of an impact with the rest of the network if they were left as is for the time being. 

You do have a point when it comes to people who are going to and from the parade only. 

However, there will be a group of people who will head early and perhaps eat breakfast or do something else before heading to the parade. Many will also head out to other places in Manhattan after heading to the parade. They might go to a bar, a restaurant, or do some other activity.  In either one of those cases, it happens to the case most of those places tend to be closer to the west side than the east side. 

That is in large part you saw the overwhelming amount of service going to/from Penn Station. The first extra trains got into Manhattan around 9:30 AM, and the last few final trains departed Manhattan past 7 PM. The parade started at 11 AM, for reference. Perhaps they could have had some more of the extra service in the AM go to Grand Central, but it's not necessarily done arbitrarily. 

https://www.cttransit.com/services/service-changes

Most of the service changes will be centered in Central CT (New Britain, Bristol, Meriden) although there will be some changes in the Stamford area as well. The route 41 cuts along with some other parts of the service expansion in Meriden were already implemented in November.

New Routes and Major Route Changes

• 121, 128, 144 - Serves new Village Square Park & Ride
• 153 - Service in West Hartford will be rerouted via Albany Ave & Bloomfield Ave. Service on Simsbury Road and N. Main Street north of Albany Ave is discontinued
• 349 - New route between Springdale and Cove Island Park via Hope Street and Courland Avenue
• 501 - Relegated to a New Britain city route between Downtown and Kensington Hospital, with some weekday service to CCARC. Service south of CCARC discontinued, replaced by 511/561
• 511 - New route between New Britain and Downtown Meriden (transfer to 561 for Meriden Mall and for the Medical Center)
• 512 - Service will operate one pattern as a New Britain to Newington CTDOT route daily (service to Cromwell served by 513). 512B notation will be discontinued, 512C relabeled 513.
• 513 - New route number for 512C, with service expanded to operate 7 days to replace 512 service
• 532 - New route between Plainville Center and Southington Stop & Shop via Queen Street

Other neighborhood-level route changes will occur on the following routes:
334, 503, 505

Service frequency improvements will occur on the following routes:
503, 505, 506, 507, 512, 541, 543 

Other schedule changes will occur on the following routes:
940 

On 2/24/2024 at 5:13 PM, B35 via Church said:

1] The easiest part for me was ranking the 30 min. routes, which I why I ranked them before plugging the hourly routes in to complete the list.... Albeit for different reasons, my expectation of the hourly routes being around the same benchmark when it comes to ridership/mile, is what made ranking them more difficult/challenging.... Specifically, comparing estimations of how long the routes are to one another.... To sum it up, if I had the route mileage of all the routes, I'd have been finished this list - maybe even within minutes of first seeing the post/inquiry....

2] Out of those 4 routes you list (#2, #6, #7, #51), the #7 to me is the most stable.... "Stable", in the sense that there's no part of the #7 that I'm all that worried about (in the 3 full rides I had thus far on the #7, the portion north of Jericho Tpke. is actually seeing more ridership than I expected) when it comes to potentially waning, or otherwise wishy-washy ridership.... I can't say the same about the #2, #6, or the #51....

I remember @hounddriver made a post referencing how empty the buses are on the north shore.... Even though I hadn't rode any of the routes yet at that time, I nodded my head as if to be like "yeah, I'm not surprised by that at all".... The first thing I said to myself when I first saw the post, was that the old S54 up there significantly fell off years ago (to the point where demand for the S58 was higher than that of the S54 in the north shore - which is quite sad, considering the S58 only went as far west as Huntington Square Mall in that region of the county), so I didn't necessarily think the new network would make things better in that regard....

As for the #2, by revamping the network the way they did, there's less of a need to use it as a conduit to get to other routes (like what used to be the case with the extent it was done with the S40 at Bay Shore & Patchogue)... Couple that with running it to Amityville & the having of nothing running to/from it in a northerly-southerly fashion in that Bohemia, Sayville, etc. part of the county, I am not optimistic for the route at all... NICE bus over at Amityville isn't going to bring near as much people to the route to have me be any more optimistic for it.... To me, the S40 was more than a coverage route... The #2 OTOH to me, just reeks coverage route (which includes for whatever meager amt. of former S20 & S42 riders that would use it) at this point.... They should've gotten rid of the S42 around the time they got rid of the 1B, 5A, 7D/E, etc....

As for the #51, Station Yards will do just as much for the route as Wyandanch Rising has/will do for the #4 & the #12 ... At best, it'll take some people to/from Downtown Patchogue (which just seems so... fake, to me... Walking around there, I feel like I'm in a video game or something - the people congregating in those establishments along Montauk Hwy. there even LOOK like AI renderings... but that's neither here nor there), but I don't even see that happening.... In any event, while IDK exactly how the route mileage compares between the #2 & the #51, I see more potential for the #51 than I do the #2.... I don't see the #6 doing better than either; the whole northern half of the route is a large reason for that....

1] Interesting, because I seemed to have the opposite issue (the hourly routes were the easier ones to rank than the 30-minute routes). With the exception of the 10, most of the hourly routes were similar to the route they replaced in many ways. Way I saw it was that I had some sort of baseline there to work with, and then the differences in routing and ridership potential (or losses) with respect to mileage was based up on my interpretation and predictions. The 30-minute routes were the opposite in many cases, with many different segments meshed together. Out of those routes the 1 was the easiest to rank for quite obvious reasons, the 51 was the most difficult to rank followed by the 2. However that goes back to how we ended up ranking said routes (lean towards ridership vs. mileage). 

2] I still have yet to ride out the new SCT network, don't know when that will happen (I just don't have the enthusiasm to dedicate a whole day for SCT like I may have had in the past, even compared to a year - shit's cratered drastically). However I tend to agree with that sentiment, I would say the same thing. Time will tell but I think ridership on the 7 will hold on given that the S41 was on the higher end of ridership and overall efficiency. That and it covers part of the old S45 and the Brentwood-Bay Shore rider base. 

It's unfortunate to hear that about the S54, I guess what also doesn't help the 6 is that even in that part of the county its duplicated quite a bit with the H40. Not the same headways but in the case of the new 6 every rider counts. Part of the issue too, way I see is that Walt Whitman Mall is still being used as a major hub in that area, when it's just no longer the same anymore like it might have been in the past. Same situation with Sunrise Mall further down, everything is now moving towards Amityville LIRR even if its relatively slow (you still got the n19, n71 weekdays and n80 still terminating there, who know if that changes). However what complicates things further north a bit is HART. It was a mistake to not include those routes given how many duplicate the 30 minute routes on portions of their routes. Would have also liked to see more of a hub around Huntington Station if there was any part within the town that would make sense. 

 The 51 is basically in a similar category with the other three routes previously mentioned (2, 6, and 7) because it's a combination of previously lightly used, moderate, and extremely well used segments (not proportional at all). If anything it skews more towards moderate (if I'm being charitable) and lightly used segments, with very little change overall. So yeah I think we're on the same page regarding future Ronkonkoma development more or less. I would have no issue being wrong about usage not being significantly improved with Station Yards, but I am under no illusion given that we're talking about the suburbs here. 

On 2/24/2024 at 5:13 PM, B35 via Church said:

Cool.

I can see the #4 garnering more overall ridership than the #1, but not to the extent where it'd accomplish having a higher ridership/mile ranking than it... The #4 would just about have to run laps (so to speak) in the ridership department for it to be more efficient than the #1.... That's why I asked how much more usage do you see it getting over the #1...

As for what you're saying about the #58, while I still despise having it run to Brentwood from Riverhead, I will admit that the demand to/from Brentwood actually exceeds what I thought it would (which was never my concern, as if to say it would yield little usage... I just think the route from end to end is overkill, but just thought I'd point that out).... What I still gotta find out is, just how far east does most of that demand pan...

Just to be clear, we're making the same point about the #5, as it relates to the #4's efficiency & I agree with the demand for the #58 b/w Brentwood & Smith Haven being stronger than that of the #5 b/w the same 2 points... I wasn't at all trying to convey that the #5's running to Smith Haven would significantly affect the #4; "chipping in" to the ridership was the only point I was making with that...

Speaking of Smith Haven, I'm not sure what's going on, but the place isn't nearly a madhouse with waiting pax. as it used to be - at least not in my experiences.... Still don't think it should be one of the timed connection points... If it's a testament to the new network providing less of a need for more people to be xferring there, I wouldn't know it.... That, and/or the new network being a stark decrease in overall/county-wide coverage compared to the old network, bringing less people to the mall as a result...

With the 4 I guess it depends mainly how the two halves (in this case I'm considering Brentwood LIRR as the midpoint) compare to the 1. Like I previously mentioned, I can see the 4 getting better loads than the 1 west of Brentwood. The 4 between Amityville and Brentwood is roughly around a mile shorter than the 1 (~14 vs. ~15 miles) , so if you get around 93% of the ridership the 1 gets that would basically put you on par with the 1. Brentwood to Smith Haven is about 2/3s of the the existing route 1 (10 vs. 15 miles), so if you get 66% of what the 1 gets overall then that puts you on par.

Given those numbers, I don't think it's impossible for the 4 to potentially beat out the 1. Even the weaker eastern segment, is not a "weak" segment way I see it. In sheer overall ridership yeah the 4 would have to do significantly better than the 1 because of the longer routes.  However if you see view it the way that I outlined it above, it's not as far-fetched as it may sound. The 4 is also one of very few routes which I can see decent gains in ridership, which I think would put in a position where it can rival the 1. However in terms of average ridership per mile, the 4 and the 1 will likely be close, which is what I'm referring to when I say it's not "running laps ahead" of the 1.

Regarding the 5 and 58, yeah I get that and all. Just explaining my view on that situation as it relates to impacting overall ridership on the 4. 

Necessary track repairs due to an earlier incident is requiring a last minute service change on the  and  for tonight:

Planned - Reroute
runs via the ‌(R) in both directions between ‌Queens Plaza‌ and ‌34 St-Herald Sq, the last stop

Feb 29 - Mar 1, Thu 11:45 PM to Fri 5:00 AM
No service at Court Sq-23 St, Lexington Av/53 St, 5 Av/53 St, 7 Av, 50 St, 34 St, 23 St, 14 St, W 4 St, Spring St, Canal St and World Trade Center.

Note: skips the 49 St station in both directions.

Travel Alternatives:

For Court Sq-23 St, take the or Jamaica-bound .

For Lexington Av/53 St and 5 Av/53 St, take a Jamaica-bound or use the nearby 51 St station.

For 7 Av, take the , use the nearby 57 St-7 Av station or the local at 50 St.  

For 50 St, 34 St-Penn Station, 23 St and 14 St, take the or use nearby stations.    

For W 4 St-Wash Sq, take the or Jamaica-bound . 

For Spring St, Canal St and World Trade Center (Chambers St), take a downtown .

Note: For 42 St/Port Authority, trains stop at the Times Sq-42 St platform.

Key transfer stations:

Roosevelt Av-74 St Accessbility |

Queens Plaza Accessbility |

Lexington Av/59 St

42 St Connection - Port Authority/Times Sq/Bryant Park
(A‌) (E‌)  and Jamaica-bound  

34 St-Herald Sq Accessbility | and Jamaica-bound

W 4 St-Wash Sq Accessbility | and Jamaica-bound

Note: No Coney Island-bound service in Manhattan during this time.

What's happening?

Urgent track repairs

Accessbility This service change affects one or more ADA accessible stations and these travel alternatives may not be fully accessible. Please contact 511 to plan your trip.

Posted: 02/29/2024 05:38 PM

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Planned - Reroute

No Coney Island-bound service in Manhattan

Feb 29 - Mar 1, Thu 11:45 PM to Fri 5:00 AM

Coney Island-bound runs via the to Queens Plaza and via the (G) from Court Sq, Queens to Bergen St, Brooklyn, resuming service to Coney Island.

Jamaica-bound (F) continues to run from Brooklyn to 47-50 Sts, then via the (E) from 5 Av/53 St to Roosevelt Av, resuming service to Jamaica.

(E) runs via the (R) in both directions between Queens Plaza and 34 St-Herald Sq, the last stop. (Skipping 49 St in both directions)

Downtown (D) makes local stops at 14 St and 23 St.

Shuttle Bus Free Q94 shuttle buses run between Roosevelt Island and Queens Plaza, stopping at, 21 St-Queensbridge and Queensboro Plaza (N) . 

Travel alternatives:

For service from Queens to Manhattan, take the or (N) . 

For service from Manhattan to Brooklyn, take the (Q) .    

Station alternatives:

For 21 St-Queensbridge and Roosevelt Island, take the Q94 shuttle bus.

For Lexington Av/63 St, take the (Q) .

For 57 St, use the nearby 57 St-7 Av (Q) (R) station. 

For 47-50 Sts, 42 St-Bryant Pk, 34 St-Herald Sq, W 4 St, and B'way-Lafayette St, take a or uptown (F) . 

For 23 St, take a downtown or uptown .

For 14 St, take a downtown (D) , uptown (F) or (L) (6 Av).

For 2 Av and East Broadway, take a Jamaica-bound (F) or use nearby Grand St or B'way-Lafayette St (D) stations.

For Delancey St-Essex St, take the , Jamaica-bound or use nearby Grand St (D) . 

For Jay St-MetroTech, take the or (N) . 

Queens key transfer stations:

Roosevelt Av/74 St Accessbility |  (F)

Queens Plaza Accessbility | (E) (F) and Q94

Queensboro Plaza (7) (N) and Q94

Manhattan key transfer stations:

42 St Connection - Port Authority/Times Sq/Bryant Park

(A‌) (E‌) (N) (Q) and Jamaica-bound (F)  

34 St-Herald Sq Accessbility | (N) (Q) and Jamaica-bound (F)  

14 St-Union Sq Accessbility | (L) (N) (Q) 

W 4 St-Wash Sq Accessbility | (A) (D) and Jamaica-bound (F)

Fulton St Accessbility |(J) and Brooklyn-bound (A)

Brooklyn key transfer stations:

Metropolitan Av/Lorimer St (L) and Coney Island-bound (F)

Hoyt-Schermerhorn Sts (A) and Coney Island-bound (F)

4 Av-9 St (F) (N)

What's happening?

Urgent track repairs

Accessbility This service change affects one or more ADA accessible stations and these travel alternatives may not be fully accessible. Please contact 511 to plan your trip.

Posted: 02/29/2024 05:38 PM

Expect "major reroute" in  and  service tonight as a result of this. Details have been posted. Something happened in the 53rd Street Tunnel requiring immediate attention:

Delays

trains are running with severe delays in both directions.

What's Happening?

We completed urgent track maintenance in the tunnel between Manhattan and Queens.

We are now conducting urgent track maintenance near Queens Plaza, which requires southbound trains to move more slowly in that area.

Our crews will begin heavy repair work near Queens Plaza during the overnight hours tonight, which will require major reroutes to service.

More details for these service changes can be found at mta.info/alerts

While we work to get trains back on schedule:

Take trains between Manhattan and Queens.  

Take trains for local service along 8th Ave.

Take trains for local service along 6th Ave.

LIRR is cross-honoring MetroCard holders and OMNY users between Penn Station/Grand Central Madison and Jamaica (including Woodside, Kew Gardens and Forest Hills).

Posted: 02/29/2024 05:55 PM

On 2/18/2024 at 2:48 PM, B35 via Church said:

Hmm... noticing both of y'alls list, the one thing that apparent to me is that you two placed more of a bias/more stock into overall ridership.... I put more stock in route mileage (not saying either is really right or wrong)..... As you probably know, I've long been a proponent of proposing (what I like to call) compact routes & have never been a proponent of just proposing routes I believe will garner high amt's of ridership, regardless of distance (hence why I coined the term "superroute")... So I'm always going to place more of a bias on distance, even if it's 50.0000000001 to 49.999999999 (lol).....

While the apparent consensus is that the #1 & the #4 are the two top dog's (so to speak), I'm actually shocked that you both have the #2 as high up on the list.... I was contemplating putting it (and the #6, for that matter) further down on my list....

For me I tried to consider both route mileage and ridership with frequency as much as possible. It made it a little hard at times given that I think that some routes are more or less in the same general area (which ended up happening a bit more than expected).  I suppose the ranking comes out more towards ridership since most of those tie-breaking decisions on my end ultimately came down to route potential, but that's how I approached it.

Route 2 was one of the tougher ones to rank, because between it, the 6, 7 and 51 I figured they will eventually be around the same (for different reasons). However I didn't see either 2 or 6 doing worse than the 51 overall. What bumped up the 6 was the connection at Central lslip LIRR to other routes and the Ronkonkoma, and it being an airport connection. I think it will take more time for the Airport portion to pick up but I can see it eventually being used decently. However, with the 2 the main thing was that given that the route now provides connections to NICE Bus, you might eventually see more ridership on the route. Especially since it's absolute garbage to get down to the Babylon Branch if you're not near it on public transit. Also while the shift of riders from the former S42 and S20 to Route 2 plus any new riders who start/end their trips west of Babylon due to the new frequencies/coverage will be relatively low, collectively they'll add enough to where I believe it gives the 2 the edge over the 6.

While the 51 is a route with some particularly strong segments and more streamlined service than the previous network, I think the existing section between Smith Haven and Patchogue drags it down considerably. Now IDK what the ongoing redevelopment around Ronkonkoma LIRR will do going forward, but I suppose it'll boost it up a bit. I also suppose the direct connection from Stony Brook to the Ronkonkoma Branch could be somewhat enticing for some in the long run (instead of only having the PJ Branch as a suitable option). However the LIRR's dicking around of service post-ESA and service patterns (to keep it short, SMFH) will probably hurt those numbers. Basically, I see whatever the 51 currently has as being more or less the case further down the line, with maybe a small bump. 

On 2/18/2024 at 2:48 PM, B35 via Church said:

What I am curious about is...

@BM5 via Woodhaven To sum it up, how much more usage do you see the #4 ending up garnering, compared to the #1?

While I read your initial post, your point/snippet regarding the #1 & the #4 sticks out to me.... While I agree the potential of the #4 is nothing to ignore, something else that shouldn't be ignored is just how much longer the #4 is to the #1... If the question was solely regarding ridership (instead of basically ridership per mile, with respect to frequency), I'd agree that the #4 would be ranked first.... Be there as it may, the #1's patronage, even though (the S1) lost ridership, would likely still be close enough to the #4 to where it wouldn't be less efficient than it... The #1 would have to lose a shit ton of ridership (on top of what the S1 already ended up losing) - as quite frankly, there's only but so much ridership to be had out in Suffolk County (which sucks that there's as much of an anti-bus mentality out in the 'burbs in general, but it is what it is).....

I know you don't care for the #5 also going to Smith Haven, but the #5 & the #58 eating into that Brentwood - Smith Haven demand is something else that brings down the #4 in terms of efficiency - in the sense that it's that much less riders that would use it, have those other 2 routes not run b/w the 2 points....

To answer your question regarding Route 4, even though I have the 4 ahead of the 1 it's not a situation where it's running laps ahead. That's also why I say in my rankings post that I could see the 4 beating out the 1. Overall I would put them around the same but the 4 has the advantage way I see it. Potential gains on the Amityville-Brentwood section in particular is what led to my ranking. With Amityville, Wyandanch, Deer Park and Brentwood now having more frequent and later service (especially on weekends - those last S33 buses from Sunrise during the 4-5 PM hours were early but the worst part was that they didn't even travel the full route!), it will definitely be used. On top of that, I can see loads in that section beating out what you typically see on the 1. 

That's not to say the part eastern of Brentwood wouldn't do well either, but it would not be to the same degree as points west. That's where it would lower the overall efficiency of the entire 4 (and it's a decent chunk of the route as well). I'm aware that the 58 and 5 would chip in to Smith Haven ridership, however I don't see it being too much of an issue. For starters, I don't see the 5 in particular taking too much away from the 4 because of its indirect route. Maybe if they live near the 5 perhaps, but the 4 beats it out even with the Central Islip stopover. The 58 perhaps is more competitive with the 4, so maybe that can do some numbers, however I do not see it taking too much away either. Plus any ridership gains on that section west of Brentwood due to more frequent service and better connectivity with points west of Brentwood, would likely make up the losses in mall ridership to the 58. 

Part Suspended

train service is severely disrupted in both directions.

Consider using instead.

What's Happening?

Emergency teams are responding to someone who was struck by a train near High St.

Service Changes:

Southbound trains are running via line from W 4 St-Wash Sq to 2 Av, where they will end.

Northbound trains are running via from 2 Av to 5 Av/53 St.

There is no trains between Manhattan and Brooklyn.

The last stop on some northbound trains in Brooklyn will be Broadway Jct.

trains are running via the line between Bergen St and Court Sq in both directions.

Listen for train crew announcements to hear how your train will run.

Travel alternatives:

For service along 8 Av, consider using trains making nearby stops.

For service between Manhattan and Brooklyn, use

Expect delays in train service in both directions.

Posted: 02/19/2024 10:14 AM

21 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Lol... Folks would just bombard the Q58 like they do now.

1. Oh, I'd say it's worse.... It's not even an underestimation of Grand Av., it's purposely ignoring rider habits along Grand av. in an attempt to bolster the Q38.... I've long came to that conclusion in regards to these/similar Q38 proposals over the years....

2. Before this discussion, I've never gave it any thought.... But I do concur with the sentiment though.... How much time would you say it would save? Or do you have it as being more or less a wash?

3. Yeah, that's why I say I get why they have the final proposed Q38 basically ending at Fresh Pond... Like you mentioned with that proposal I posed a couple weeks or so ago, I'd much rather use it as a supplement to the (western portion of the) Q54, over running it down Fresh Pond... The other viable option to attempt to remedy the Q54 is to split it.... The Q58 (which runs like wildfire) doesn't have the problems with unreliability the Q54 does....

1. Yeah, sounds about right honestly. I was looking for something to describe those proposals because they always came up so lopsided against Grand Ave service but wanted to give the benefit of the doubt.

2. I think it ends up being more or less a wash. The difference in existing Q58 LTD and Q38 runtimes between Fresh Pond/Metropolitan and 108th Street (HHE on the Q58, 63rd Road on the Q38) are not very large, plus both run behind schedule by about a similar margin. For the Q98, even though Queens Blvd can lags the service roads on Horace Harding tend to move well even during rush hours. So that helps bring it closer to about the same.

Outside of maneuvering through those narrow streets in Middle Village, Metropolitan Avenue and 63rd Drive slow the Q38 slow down. Metropolitan isn't too bad outside of rush hours but 63rd Drive north of the LIRR tracks tends to be slow during the day. Too much traffic (double parking, trucks and whatnot) plus the amount of lights and dwell times in that area run the time up. 

Oops 

Part Suspended

There is no service between Manhattan and Queens.

Northbound trains are rerouted from DeKalb Av to Queens Plaza.

What's Happening?

We're investigating why a train's brakes activated near Queensboro Plaza.

Service Changes:
Northbound trains are running on the line from DeKalb Av to W 4 St-Wash Sq, then via the line to Queens Plaza.

trains are running on the line between 57 St-7 Av and 96 St.

There is limited service running between Queensboro Plaza and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd.

Expect delays in service.

Alternatives:

For service between Manhattan and Queens, consider nearby trains.

Transfer at Times Sq-42 St or Queensboro Plaza for service.

Transfer at 34 St-Herald Sq for an or rerouted train.

For service in Astoria, take nearby Q69, Q100 and Q101 buses.

Posted: 02/12/2024 04:58 PM