StevenFrancis

Trains do not last forever, the plans on converting the subway to CBTC and the SMEEs are not able to be retrofitted, it's cheaper for the MTA to just buy new CBTC-ready cars. You have to realize that, things are progressing, we can't just keep old things because people like them, if it's time for an old train to go, they have to go. You also have to realize that not every newer train that arrives on property will work perfectly, they go through teething problems when they begin burn in testing that has to be fixed, so of course their MDBF will be initially low, but as things work out, it'll increase. No excuse is good enough to just keep old cars that will wear out. Look at the (SIR) R44s, I'm surprised they're still roadworthy, the R211Ss should've been awarded first and they should've been given those cars the boot, it's by God's grace they're still operating.

R62As operate on the and . The uses R62s.

I wouldn't be surprised if the R262s go to the and those are the heaviest used IRT lines, their current higher capacity NTTs are bursting at the seams and those lines need cars with higher capacity than these, and if the R262s have open gangways, then I see them going there. I also see the R142s going to the and since it is such a large fleet that can easily be split between the two and really all those lines need are trains with higher capacity and better flow but nothing requiring open gangways, therefore, I see the and 42nd Street getting R142As, even when they get CBTC retrofits.

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Also don't forget that part of the line would still be drilled underground like from Erskine Place to Bay Plaza, also that bridge rarely opens up, if anything the MAY build new ones and the Oak Point Yard spur will get in the way but when operations are occurring, the RR services and will work something out to have smoother, less conflicting operations like building a flyover of some sort, I never said that the line had to run ENTIRELY on the ROW.

I would propse this for the Second Avenue Subway Since this thread is one of the few threads that allow me to foam without criticism, here's what I would propose: I would propose two routings After 116th Street: One will stop at 125th Street-Lexington Avenue (ADA accessible with transfers to , M60 to LaGuardia Airport) One out of every four trains will only serve this station on weekdays, other times, the will handle service here. The second will run via Amtrak's Northeast Corridor following an earlier plan, this one will be known as the Corridor Line making stops at: Willow Avenue / East 135th Street (ADA accessible) Leggett Avenue / Bruckner Boulevard Lafayette Avenue / Bruckner Boulevard Tiffany Street / Bruckner Boulevard Hunts Point Avenue / Bruckner Boulevard (ADA accessible with a transfer to at Hunts Point Avenue) Westchester Avenue / Sheridan Expressway (transfer to at Whitlock Avenue with a reopening of the old NYW&B station house) 174th Street / Bronx River Avenue East Tremont Avenue / East 180th Street White Plains/Unionport Roads / East Tremont Avenue (ADA accessible) Bronxdale Avenue / Sackett Avenue Williamsbridge Road / Sackett Avenue Pelham - Hutchinson Parkways / Stillwell Avenue & Hutchinson Metro Center Erskine Place / Hunter Avenue Bay Plaza / The Mall at Bay Plaza (ADA accessible with transfer to Bx12 Select Bus Service) This line will see frequent and constant service.

Thats not a surprise to me , one time a door guard of an R46 that I was on, opened the doors without realizing the front half was still closed until later. Naaahh they wont do all that overhauling especially since the R62/As will only be around until the latest around 2030, if anything they might get LED side signs that face inward and outward like the R46s. On top of that the R62/As strip maps arent even updated or show wrong info on the R62As, at Times Square-42nd Street still showed transfers to and trains, luckily it was so small and hard to read and the R62As show the Q32 goes to LGA, when it was actually the Q33 and now its Q70

I would still stick with this routing because its not like every other is heading to 125th, then to the Bronx, since there's a to take it on too, so like during rush hours, one out of every 3 s would go to 125th and weekends, one out of every 4, and late nights only have Bronx and Manhattan service and let the take over 125th to reduce congestion hopefully, so I dont see the issue with making a new train especially since one service, the already follows a similar concept of service, but ewww why convert the IRT lines to B Division standards, that's a lot considering now maintenance shops like East 180th and Westchester, wouldve had to have been expanded, I think its fine as is

reroute Two trains, after 116th Street station, the will split into two services 1: to 125th Street-Lexington Avenue (connecting to and M60 bus and ADA accessible), making a diverging turn after 116th Street 2: to Bay Plaza via Amtrak Northeast Corridor known as the IND or BMT Corridor Line making stops at: Willow Avenue / 135th Street (ADA accessible) Leggett Avenue / Bruckner Blvd Lafayette Avenue / Bruckner Blvd Tiffany Street / Bruckner Blvd Hunts Point Avenue / Bruckner Blvd (change to available at Hunts Point Avenue and ADA accessible) Westchester Avenue / Whitlock Avenue (change to available at Whitlock Avenue) 177th Street / Bronx River Pkwy East Tremont Avenue / Adams Street (ADA accessible) White Plains & Unionport Roads / East Tremont Avenue Eastchester Road / Bassett Avenue Pelham & Hutchinson Pkwys / Stillwell Avenue/Hutchinson Metro Center Erskine Place / Boller Avenue Bay Plaza / The Mall At Bay Plaza (underneath mall, connection to Bx12 Select Bus Service, and ADA accessible) Line runs on Northeast Corridor right-of-way, then goes underground between Erskine Place and Pelham & Hutchinson Pkwys and runs underground from Erskine Place to Bay Plaza and after Willow Avenue What do you think?

We'll keep Montague open, sorry I didn't mention it.

Lol well New York always brings the subway back ASAP but what about the Rockaways? I did mention the bridges and tracks twisted and stuff

I have a scenario A magnitude 9 earthquake has struck the city and now the subway has these following issues The tunnel between 191st Street and 181st Street on the is weakened and the Manhattan Valley Viaduct on 125th Street is structurally compromised with snapped beams West Farms Square on the and is structurally compromised with a shift from its foundation The PATH tunnel is in a dire emergency of near collapse on the 6th Avenue line Queensboro Plaza on the and is structurally compromised with snapped beams The Manhattan Bridge has beams snapped The Rockaway Flats bridges and tracks have been twisted and weakened The Queens Boulevard Viaduct on the is structurally compromised with snapped beams Stillwell/Coney Island Terminal is structurally compromised with snapped beams and a foundation slip Broadway Junction on the platforms is structurally compromised with snapped beams and may collapse on the and platforms Solutions?

True but something has to be done there, it looks too dilapidated and needs to be fixed

There are some R142/As where the conductor is at the 5th car, ive seen one on a yesterday at East 180th Street, as for the R188, Im going to guess it has something to do with the C car in the 6 set considering the 5 car set is most likely converted R142As and that could be the norm

Oh no I understand , maybe it might go through rehab like Smith-9th Streets did

I wonder are the interior and side signs gonna turn off when they switch words like on the R142s or just switch staying on like the other models?

I still have an issue with 205th Street on the , it still looks like a piece of garbage

Another reason why I dont like CBTC, yes it allows trains to run at closer intervals but because they call for signals to be removed and when it fails, how would the trains run safely, but technological updates these days phase out manpower

Exactly cuz now towers can determine trains based off of where they came from and which line it has punched in prior to entering the interlocking vicinty.

The red LEDs need to go, imagine how beautiful an MTA subway car would look with multicolored signs it would make people understand their train faster through the first clue of the distinction of color in the circle or diamond, at least a white letter or number with a colored cirle or diamond perimeter, it doesnt necessarily need to be a full on shaded shape, when it comes to the side amber LEDs, they're ok because their primary function is to display route information with the line designation, no need for multicolor LEDs, but I think the interior LEDs should also feature more LED colors than just red and green, especially for lines that are blue and purple and gray , like and eventually the three which can only do with amber for example have a blue LED for blue lines, blue and red blend and make purple, and since you can't have gray light, have white represent gray, other lines can do justice with just red and green like amber can take in place for orange,yellow, and brown

I remember, first it was amber LEDs until the CTA realized that doesnt specify the line, so they were overhauled.

Understanding that red is highly visible, it still defeats the purpose for multicolored trunk lines, its ok with the 7th Avenue line because they are red but other lines which arent red, it would be an issue, ok the workers need to see whatever but it should be common sense to be cautionary on the tracks so if the R179s come with red LEDs, hopefully future models will employ them , but only for workers who should have common sense and a couple of dollars, those are petty reasons, they should be used

Walking from Times Square and Grand Central, one simply does not have time for that and not only it would kill the , it could also kill the , if not, reduce ridership.

Thats 3 blocks from Times Square and 4 blocks from Penn Station, too close, thats why 91st Street was closed on the in the first place, since it was 5 blocks from 96th and 86th

Plus when the SAS reaches 42nd Street, there's gonna be a connection to Grand Central so the stop at 42nd Street is gonna be out of the picture.