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Didnt NJT buy out the routes in the 90's as part of its settlement with Lakeland over the midtown direct train service and Lakeland currently operates them on a contract basis? Or something to that effect?

I actually contacted NJT about running at least some rush hour 167Q service over the old 11C route to New Milford (those runs mostly currently terminates in Teaneck, so no loss of service) and mentioned the Avalon apartment complex on Windsor Rd and how hundreds of people per day either walk or drive to Washington Ave/Teaneck Rd to get the bus service. They actually said the idea had merit and would look into it but they said they had to contact rockland coaches to confirm they abandoned the 11C. Whoever that was at NJT had no clue Rockland/Coach abandoned the 11c and Saddle River took it over and has since gone out of business a few years ago.

For the most part NJT won't go in where Rockland still "operates." The 165 Rt 4 service is an exception, and is part of the reason for the demise of the 11A at least as far as Westwood. The Pascack Valley increased service off peak and weekends as well as Covid pretty much did the rest of the damage. I recently inquired about NJT running some service over the former 11c territory through Teaneck, bergenfield and New Milford. NJT's response was that they had to confirm Rockland was no longer operating the route! They were clueless that Rockland abandoned it several years ago, had no idea Saddle River had taken it over and had since gone out of business!

Right. All the original 167s routing went via Queen Anne Road. They should really split the 167Q entirely and have it run via State St and then over the old R&T !!C/25 routing via Windsor Rd, New Bridge Rd and Prospect Ave to New Milford. It would speed up the trip to New Milford and serve portions of Teaneck, BErgenfield and New Milford that lost bus service when the 11c was discontinued.

Was NJT the advocate asking about restoring service in Teaneck? Was it to the Windsor Rd area of Teaneck? As for the 14, it still says the service is "temporarily suspended" on the CUSA website. Same for the 21. Although at this point, I would assume they arent going to restore those routes and if they do, who knows if there will be anyone to use them?

I believe the 9/9T and 20 lines were pretty busy even off-peak before the pandemic including weekends. The 11C was still busy at rush-hours when Rockland abandoned it, but SRT killed what was left of it. There is a huge void in Northeastern NJ bus service without the full time current and former Rockland services (e.g. 11C, 84). NJT should really step in and at least adjust some of its routes to cover some of this territory, although it won't as long as Rockland/R&T is still technically "operating" the routes. They could easily run some 167Q New Milford service over the former 11C route through Teaneck, Bergenfield and to New Milford instead of having it loop back to Teaneck Rd and then going to Madison Ave to get to New Milford. They could also adjust some 166 service to cover some of the old 84 route at least through Englewood and Tenafly.

NJT did this in the 1980s with the 167, which used to run local via Tonnelle Ave non-rush hour. It made all the 167's turnpike expresses full time (and later added the 177 Armory Express) while making the 127 full time up Tonnelle Ave to Ridgefield.

Drove past the Westwood garage today. There are still about 20 buses parked there....

The current routing of the 167Q for New Milford runs doesn't make any sense. It should not loop back to Teaneck Rd via State St. It should be re-routed to travel via Windsor Rd, New Bridge Rd and then Prospect Ave to Madison Ave New Milford following the old discontinued R&T/SRT 11C route. Hundreds of passengers walk or drive to Washington Ave/Teaneck Rd from this corridor to get the 167/177 each day and there is already plenty of 167/177 service on Teaneck Rd and Washington Ave.

This article explains what the problems supposedly were: Greyhound defends terminal reconfiguration in Philly - WHYY

They have been cancelling their two 11A runs almost every day for the past few weeks.

When are they shutting down? What is happening to (what's left of) their routes? Is someone else taking them over?

Always glad to see any increase in service, but the northern parts of the Bergen County Line still seems pretty light on the weekends right now...

does anyone know if the video from the most recent meetings are available on-line anywhere?

I dont think this was ever used as an officlal option either. Many times Bergen County riders from the Port would go uptown to catch an NJT bus when there were major delays at the Tunnel, but cross honoring in the subway was never an option. They had to swallow the fare. This option makes a lot more sense for nearby Bergen/Hudson riders as opposed to Secaucus Junction especially for riders in Fort Lee, Englewood, Teaneck, Hackensack, etc.