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View File 125th / Lex Proposal for weekday branch to Burnside Av, with / to re-routed to Pelham Bay Pk. would short-turn at Parkchester on weekdays when / are operating. service in the peak direction between Burnside and 125th on weekdays. Submitter drekroid Submitted 08/10/2019 Category Subway Maps  

Optimization Proposal Using Existing Infrastructure View File Final proposal (updated based on feedback from this forum).... The goals of this proposal: Reduced waiting times (overall) Fewer congestion delays Less complexity for users and operations Less overcrowding Improved user experience and satisfaction with service Map shows the proposed network using the style that is inspired by the original Montreal Metro map. PDF contains operation details, including frequencies for the proposed services, and proposed yard assignments for equipment. Submitter drekroid Submitted 08/31/2019 Category Member Created Maps  

Minor update to my proposed 7th Av express lines based on the feedback of "too much off-peak service to Brooklyn"..... Proposed Evening + Weekend Service (12-18 TPH): 6 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush 6 TPH between Dyre Av and Times Square ( service discontinued) 6 TPH between 148th St and Utica Av (proposed operates to New Lots at all times)

Operational details for my proposed / CPW Local + Brighton lines Weekday express service: operates express in Brooklyn operates local in Brooklyn at all times (replaces ), and short-turns at Brighton Beach when is operating + operate express on 6th Av (except late night), local on CPW, and terminate at 168th St Late night: extended to Inwood, and operates local on 6th Av Proposed operates express in Manhattan to Inwood, discontinued and replaced by to Norwood + to Coney Island via West End line Late Night (3 TPH): 3 TPH between Inwood and Coney Island (operates local on 6th Av) Reduced (6 TPH): 6 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island Daytime (12 TPH: 6 TPH LOCAL + 6 TPH EXPRESS): 6 TPH between 168 St and Brighton Beach 6 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island (operates express in Brooklyn) Peak for Brighton Line (20 TPH: 10 TPH LOCAL + 10 TPH EXPRESS): 6 TPH between 168 St and Brighton Beach 4 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island (peak local trains) 10 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island (operates express in Brooklyn) Peak for CPW Local Line (12 TPH): 6 TPH between 168 St and Brighton Beach 6 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island (operates express in Brooklyn)

Get yer rotten tomatoes ready.... 🍅🍅🍅 Operational details for my proposed Queens Blvd + Jamaica lines Coney Island - Jamaica Ctr Serves the Culver Line, and operates locally in Queens and Brooklyn at all times Local service operates between Coney Island (or Church Av at peak times) and Forest Hills when Diamond is operating Diamond Coney Island - Jamaica Ctr (Weekday express service) Operates fully express in Queens Serves Brooklyn at peak times only (short-turns at 2nd Av during the day), operating express between Bergen St and Church Av in both directions WTC Cortland - Jamaica-179th Operates express in Queens between Queensbridge and Forest Hills at all times WTC Cortland - Jamaica-179th (Peak express service) Operates fully express in Queens Broad St - Jamaica Ctr Local service operates between Chambers St and Broadway Junction when Diamond is operating at peak times Diamond Broad St - Jamaica Ctr (Peak express service) Operates express in Brooklyn in the peak direction between Marcy Av and Broadway Junction (replaces skip-stop service) Blue Middle Village - Jamaica-179th Serves 8th Av local line (instead of 6th Av - operates express in Manhattan) Weekday express service: Operates fully express on Queens Blvd, and terminates at Jamaica-179th (instead of local to Forest Hills) Weekends: Operates between Queens Plaza and Middle Village only Late night: Operates between West 4th St and Middle Village only Bay Ridge - Forest Hills Operates local in Queens and Manhattan, express in Brooklyn, and uses bridge Late night shuttle: Operates in Brooklyn only Discontinued Replaced by Diamond Queens Blvd Lines Late Night (3 TPH LOCAL + 3 TPH EXPRESS): 3 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Coney Island (local) 3 TPH between Jamaica-179th St and WTC Cortland Reduced (12 TPH LOCAL + 6 TPH EXPRESS): 6 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Coney Island (local) 6 TPH between Jamaica-179th St and WTC Cortland 6 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge Daytime (16 TPH LOCAL + 20 TPH EXPRESS): 8 TPH between Forest Hills and Coney Island (local) Diamond 6 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and 2nd Av (express in Queens) 8 TPH between Jamaica-179th St and WTC Cortland Blue 6 TPH between Jamaica-179th and Middle Village (express in Queens) 8 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge Peak for Queens Blvd (21 TPH LOCAL + 30 TPH EXPRESS): 9 TPH between Forest Hills and Church Av (local) Diamond 6 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Coney Island (express in Queens and Brooklyn) Diamond 3 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Church Av (peak trains - express in Queens and Brooklyn) 9 TPH between Jamaica-179th St and WTC Cortland 6 TPH between Jamaica-179th and WTC Cortland (peak trains - fully express) Blue 6 TPH between Jamaica-179th and Middle Village (express in Queens) 8 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge 4 TPH between Forest Hills and 59 St (peak trains) Peak for Culver line (9 TPH LOCAL + 6 TPH EXPRESS): 9 TPH between Church Av and Forest Hills (local) Diamond 6 TPH between Coney Island and Jamaica Ctr (express in Queens and Brooklyn) Jamaica Lines Late Night (6 TPH): Blue 3 TPH between West 4th St and Middle Village 3 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Broad St Reduced (10 TPH): Blue 5 TPH between Queens Plaza and Middle Village 5 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Broad St Daytime (12 TPH): Blue 6 TPH between Middle Village and Jamaica-179th (express in Queens) 6 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Broad St Peak for Jamaica Line (15 TPH LOCAL + 9 TPH EXPRESS): Blue 9 TPH between Middle Village and Jamaica-179th (express in Queens) Diamond 9 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Broad St (express in Brooklyn) 6 TPH between Broadway Junction and Chambers St (local) Peak for Nassau Line (15 TPH - reverse-peak direction) 6 TPH between Broad St and Jamaica Ctr 3 TPH between Broad St and Broadway Junction 6 TPH between Chambers and Broadway Junction

Burnside View File Missing track switch for Burnside Av needed to short-turn local trains with proposed service. Submitter drekroid Submitted 08/16/2019 Category Member Created Maps  

This goes way back to the first wacky proposal I posted here several years ago, but it seems to make more sense now with the 14th street tunnel closure.... How about a this for some relief service for the .... 96th St - Canarsie (6 Av Express) 96th Street 86th Street 72nd Street Lexington Avenue–63rd Street 57th Street 47th–50th Streets–Rockefeller Center 42nd Street–Bryant Park 34th Street–Herald Square West Fourth Street–Washington Square Broadway–Lafayette Street Essex Street Marcy Avenue Myrtle Avenue–Broadway Broadway Junction Atlantic Avenue Sutter Avenue Livonia Avenue New Lots Avenue East 105th Street Canarsie–Rockaway Parkway The main complaint I recall was that there is a very tight turn (of concern) from the Canarsie Line to the Jamaica Line at Broadway Junction.

Operational details for my proposed express + / local Broadway lines... Late Night (6 TPH LOCAL): 3 TPH between 96th St and Coney Island (Broadway local via tunnel) 3 TPH between Astoria and Coney Island (Broadway local via bridge / 4th Av local via West End line) 3 TPH between 36th St and Bay Ridge (Shuttle operates express) Reduced (12 TPH LOCAL + 6 TPH EXPRESS): 6 TPH between 96th St and Coney Island (Broadway express via tunnel) 6 TPH between Astoria and Coney Island (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge / West End line) 6 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge) Daytime (16 TPH LOCAL + 8 TPH EXPRESS): 8 TPH between 96th St and Coney Island (Broadway express via tunnel) 8 TPH between Astoria and Coney Island (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge / West End line) 8 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge) Peak (20 TPH LOCAL + 12 TPH EXPRESS): 8 TPH between 96th St and Coney Island (Broadway express via tunnel) 4 TPH between 96th St and 59th St (peak service trains) 8 TPH between Astoria and Coney Island (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge / West End line) 8 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge) 4 TPH between Forest Hills and 59th St (peak service trains) Notes: operates express in Manhattan (except late night), local in Brooklyn, and uses the tunnel via Lower Manhattan at all times serves West End line, operates local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn (except late night), and uses the bridge at all times operates local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn, and uses bridge at all times (except late night shuttle which serves Brooklyn only) discontinued

I'm not proposing any less service on Lexington, since the proposal increases service on the / (Peak: every 2~3 min, Daytime: every 3~4 min, Reduced: every 6 min). The reason for sending peak service trains to Utica and New Lots instead of Flatbush is because that is where the yard is. Sending too many trains down to Flatbush clogs up that corridor causing delays, and peak service trains would then need to head all the way back to a yard in the Bronx, because as far as I can tell, you can't get a train from Flatbush to Livonia without creating havock. Cheers!

This has been said a few times now, but I smile each time, because the what I am advocating here is more service on the to the Bronx (and a bit less service on the to make room for those extra trains). Right now, I'm seeing a mere 10~11 TPH at peak times on the . This proposal increases that to 20 TPH, so there should be no more "crush loads" with that level of service. Cheers!

The goal with this proposal is to provide 24 TPH at peak times along the 7th Av Express line from both The Bronx and from Brooklyn. Since there is no yard at Flatbush, the peak trips (lets take AM for example) would start at New Lots Av, and end in Harlem at the Lenox Yard (there's no need to provide extra service to the Bronx in the AM). In the PM peak, these extra trains would return to New Lots. The reason for only running 4 TPH on the in the peak direction to/from 148th is to allow for the 20 TPH to/from The Bronx at peak times, since there is much more demand on the branch. This would allow for the 8 local TPH for Nereid, along with the 12 express TPH (diamond ): 6 TPH for 241st + 6 TPH for Dyre Av Overall, 7th Av Express would have the following headways: Peak: every 2~3 min (every 2~4 min to the Bronx) Daytime: every 3~4 min (every 4~6 minutes to the Bronx) Reduced: every 3~5 min (every 5~7 minutes to the Bronx) In terms of the Bronx getting "shafted", just as I assume there are people on the Woodlawn line who need to transfer to the for 7th Av, folks can also transfer from the / diamond to the proposed (Peak: every 2~3 min, Daytime: every 3~4 min, Reduced: every 6 min). I'm not sure what the big deal is there. Cheers!

Operational details for my proposed / Lexington express lines... Late Night (3 TPH): 3 TPH between Woodlawn and New Lots Av (operates local in Manhattan and Brooklyn) Reduced (10 TPH): 10 TPH between Woodlawn and New Lots Av Daytime (18 TPH): 10 TPH between Woodlawn and New Lots Av (Operates express in the Bronx the peak direction) 8 TPH between Burnside Av and Utica Av Peak (24 TPH): 10 TPH between Woodlawn and New Lots Av (Operates express in the Bronx the peak direction) 8 TPH between Burnside Av and Utica Av 6 TPH between Burnside Av and New Lots Av

Thank you for your comments. I am posting here to find out what issues they may be with this proposal, and where there is room for improvement. The last time I was NYC was 2013. The first trip I did was from Penn Station to downtown Brooklyn on the on a weekday evening. There was massive delays the whole way due to "congestion", and it was quite sad being stuck on the "express" tracks, while watching quite a few local trains pass us by on the local tracks. To me, this was an indication that the current system is not working as well as it could. Having in-service trains stuck and delayed because they are all in each other's way seems like a HUGE waste of resources. Having less lines does not mean less service or ridership. With fewer lines, resources can be re-allocated to better service those lines. The goal of this proposal is to reduce the delays due to "congestion". From what I have read, my experience on the was not isolated, rather a very common phenomenon, and a major complaint with the network. Cheers!

The difference here would be that the concourse local service would run express in Manhattan, so there would be no need to transfer from the diamond , instead folks can have a direct trip on the .

Operational details for my proposed / 7th Av express lines... Late Night (3 TPH): 3 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush (operates local in Manhattan) 3 TPH between 148th St and Times Square (operates express) 3 TPH between E 180th St and Dyre Av Reduced (15 TPH): 5 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush 5 TPH between Dyre Av and Flatbush 5 TPH between 148th St and Utica Av Daytime (18 TPH): 6 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush 6 TPH between Dyre Av and Flatbush 6 TPH between 148th St and Utica Av Peak - for Bronx (24 TPH): Diamond 6 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush (White Plains express) Diamond 6 TPH between Dyre Av and Flatbush (White Plains express) 8 TPH between Nereid Av and Utica Av / New Lots (White Plains local) 4 TPH between 148th St and New Lots Peak - for Brooklyn (24 TPH): 6 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush 6 TPH between Dyre Av and Flatbush 6 TPH between 148th St and Utica Av 6 TPH between 148th St and New Lots

Operational details for my proposed / 8th Av express lines... Late Night (3 TPH): 3 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway (express on CPW, local on 8th Av / Fulton) 3 TPH between Euclid Av and Lefferts Blvd Service to Inwood offered by extended Reduced (12 TPH): 3 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway 3 TPH between Norwood and Lefferts Blvd 6 TPH between Inwood and Euclid Av (runs express in Manhattan) Daytime (16 TPH): 4 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway 4 TPH between Norwood and Lefferts Blvd 8 TPH between Inwood and Euclid Av (runs express in Manhattan) Peak - for Bronx (24 TPH): Diamond 4 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway (Concourse express) Diamond 4 TPH between Norwood and Lefferts Blvd (Concourse express) 6 TPH between Bedford Park and Euclid Av (Concourse local) 10 TPH between Inwood and Euclid Av (runs express in Manhattan) Peak - for Brooklyn / Queens (24 TPH): 6 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway 6 TPH between Bedford Park and Lefferts Blvd Diamond 2 TPH between Norwood and Rockaway Park 10 TPH between Inwood and Euclid Av (runs express in Manhattan)

Here are the full details of the changes I propose for the simplified and more efficient network: Proposed IRT changes: Wakefield / Eastchester to Flatbush Splits at E 180 St to provide alternating service to 241 St and Dyre Av Local service on the Wakefield branch short-turns at Nereid Av when Diamond is operating Diamond operates at peak times only, and operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction only Harlem to Crown Heights Late night shuttle operates between Harlem and Times Square only Some trips to and from New Lots for yard access Woodlawn to New Lots Local trains short-turn at Burnside Av when is operating operates on weekdays only between Woodlawn and Crown Heights, and operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction only + Discontinued - replaced by + diamond + Proposed IND/BMT changes: Norwood to Ozone Park / Far Rockaway / Rockaway Park Local trains short-turn at Bedford Park when diamond Bronx express service is operating Diamond operates at peak times only, offering express service on the Concourse line between Norwood and Euclid in the peak direction. Additional diamond trains also operate between Rockaway Park and Bedford Park in the peak direction. Washington Heights to Coney Island Local trains short-turn at Brighton Beach when is operating operates on weekdays only, and operates express in Brooklyn in both directions Service is extended to Inwood at night when is not operating Local service replaces in Brooklyn Inwood to Euclid Av Operates express in Manhattan Late night service to Inwood provided by Discontinued - replaced by + diamond in The Bronx, by + in Manhattan, and by in Brooklyn Coney Island to Jamaica Ctr Serves Culver Line (replacing ) and terminates at Coney Island Local trains short-turn at Kings Hwy when diamond is operating Diamond operates at peak times only, offering Brooklyn express service on the Culver Line between Coney Island and Forest Hills in the peak direction. Additional diamond trains also operate between Jamaica-179th St and Kings Highway in the peak direction. Jamaica-179th St to WTC Cortland Serves Lower Manhattan (replacing + ) and terminates at WTC Cortland. Broad St to Jamaica Ctr Local service operates between Chambers St and and Broadway Junction only when diamond is operating Diamond operates at peak times only, and operates express in the peak direction only Discontinued - replaced by diamond Blue Forest Hills to Middle Village Serves 8th Avenue Local line in Manhattan (replacing ) Late night shuttle operates between Metropolitan Av and Essex St only 96 St to Coney Island Serves 2nd Avenue Line instead of Astoria, replacing service Operates express on Broadway to Lower Manhattan Uses tunnel at all times, and runs locally on 4th Av in Brooklyn Astoria to Coney Island via West End Line Serves Astoria instead of 2nd Avenue Line, replacing + service in Queens Operates local on Broadway Serves West End line via the Bridge, and replaces service in Brooklyn Local service for Brighton Line provided by at all times Forest Hills to Bay Ridge via Bridge Operates express on 4th Av in Brooklyn, and uses the bridge instead of the tunnel Late night shuttle service between Bay Ridge and 36 St only Discontinued - replaced by in Queens, and express service to Lower Manhattan

Additional Notes: Woodlawn to New Lots Local trains short-turn at Burnside Av when is operating operates on weekdays only between Woodlawn and Crown Heights, and operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction only + Discontinued - replaced by + diamond + Washington Heights to Coney Island Local trains short-turn at Brighton Beach when is operating operates on weekdays only, and operates express in Brooklyn Extended to Inwood at night when is not operating Discontinued - replaced by + diamond in The Bronx, by + in Manhattan, and by in Brooklyn Coney Island to Jamaica Ctr Local trains short-turn at Kings Hwy when diamond is operating Diamond operates between Coney Island and 179th St at peak times only, and operates express in Brooklyn in the peak direction only Broad St to Jamaica Ctr Local service operates between Chambers St and and Broadway Junction only when diamond is operating Diamond operates at peak times only, and operates express in the peak direction only Discontinued - replaced by diamond

Here's the new map with the split removed, and the removed completely ( 😪 ) to address the concerns raised for the operations at 125th.... I realized that the proposal I made above with to Pelham would make the Lex Express service much too inaccessible to the rest of the Bronx Lines, so this seems to be the best way I can think of to simplify the Bronx lines (without any new infrastructure)...

Based on the comments here so far, I'm thinking I might update the proposal map with these routes: Pelham Bay to New Lots Short turns at Parkchester when is operating Pelham Bay to Crown Heights Operates on weekdays only Operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction Woodlawn to City Hall Short turns at Burnside Av when is operating Woodlawn to City Hall Operates on weekdays only Operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction Additional Notes: + would be discontinued would provide alternate express service to Manhattan via the Concourse line, with additional peak express trips offered by diamond (why no bullet for <A> ?) that would also operate express in the Bronx (like current line). Let me know if there are any major issues with these routes that I'm missing. Thx.

Thank you. NYC Subway maps are a fun challenge in my opinion. Yes, another flip at 59th for the proposed / . I do assume a flip causes less of a delay than a merge, since the 2-minute buffer between trains that is needed for merges are not needed for a flip. I'm guessing that a flip would cause at most a 1-minute delay for one of the trains if the two trains arrived simultaneously. terminals are quite far apart as well, so I'm not sure why the proposed splits for the and would be confusing when it is acceptable on the line. Please explain if you can. For 125th, the track maps show that this station was built to accommodate this type of traffic patter, where trains can flip without blocking each other. Here is what I see as possible: Thank you for your comments. Cheers.

Yes, "Canal Flip".... 2nd Av / Broadway Express / Tunnel / 4th Av Local / Sea Beach Line Astoria / Broadway Local / Bridge / 4th Av Express / West End Line Queens Local / Broadway Local / Bridge / 4th Av Express As for the .... (yes gone), it is replaced by in The Bronx, and in Brooklyn. + would serve Brighton / 6th Av Express / Central Park W Local As for , I'm not proposing any new infrastructure here, (maybe some repairs here and there, i.e. Bergen). However there seems to be wasted capacity on the northern end of the , and an extension beyond Harlem to the Bronx (as originally planned) might also be a smart move. Thank you for your comments and the link -- the site is very impressive. Cheers.