Q67 to Ridgewood

And nobody has time to deal with your highway fetish and trying to bastardize every bus route and subway line in the system. Cut the crap already, it's getting old and if you have nothing informative or relevant to the discussion to post, then don't bother posting.

B27: No comment, your prerogative B57: It was the 5:19pm bus from Red Hook that I took. While I do agree that there should be two routes going from Downtown Brooklyn to Red Hook as the B61 can't handle the load alone (remember the issues it had with severe overcrowding when it was the only route serving Red Hook) I stand by the point that it should not be the B57 doing that as that route is plagued with unreliability B67/B69: In my experience of being in that area, 16 Avenue traffic isn't bad at all. Also the B67 did perfectly fine when it was the only route running along 7 Avenue, but obviously since the MTA is lazy and frugal when it comes to making service changes, they'll put the B69 on 7 Avenue to cut service on the B67. B77: I never said DUMBO doesn't warrant service. I'm saying a route with no business being there like the B25 shouldn't go there.

1) I'm not saying that the B57 ridership down there is bad. I was mentioning an experience I had with the B57. The catch of extending the B57 to QCM on it's eastern end was to also to truncate it on it's western end to end it where it did before the 2010 service cuts at Boerum/Schemerhorn. I particularly found the B57 extension down Court/Smith Streets to be foolish anyways as it made the route more unreliable for the benefit of none of the B57 riders between Maspeth and Downtown Brooklyn. Buses not to mention tend to crawl along Smith/Court Streets which also doesn't help matters. 2) It isn't on a consistent basis, that's the problem. People would only really use the Q24 along Broadway if the bus is right there at Broadway Junction. I always thought and still think that the MTA is wasting their money sending Q24s on a street that adds to the unreliability to the route as well as it carries air most of the time on it. Broadway doesn't need bus service south of Myrtle Avenue (the only reason the B20, B46, and B47 are on Broadway south of Myrtle Avenue is so that they could get to Malcolm X Boulevard, Ralph Avenue, and Decatur/Schaeffer Streets respectively). And that useless terminus at Lafayette/Patchen doesn't help matters either.

B27) I still stand by my point that the B16 has no business being on 13/14 Avenues and should just stay on Fort Hamilton Parkway to Caton Avenue. B57) The part south of Downtown Brooklyn, more ridership my ass..... When I got on a B57 at IKEA, I was the only passenger that boarded from the first stop. The bus never got to more than a 1/4 seated load between Red Hook and Downtown Brooklyn. East of Woodhull, the seated load was like 2/3. The B57 going to Red Hook is wasteful mileage and it should just be reverted back to ending in Downtown Brooklyn. B67) Seriously you're bringing up the Q24 along Broadway as an analogy? First thing is that Broadway has a lot of traffic, unlike 16 Avenue. Second thing, Q24s are totally empty along Broadway. The Q24 should be reverted back to ending at Broadway Junction, that was one of the cuts back in 2010 that I agreed with B69) The B65 is nowhere near Union Street, what in the blue hell does that have to do with anything. You can disagree all you want but Union Street needs their bus back and the B69 has no business duplicating the B67. B77) You aren't getting it. The B25 has no business being up there. It's a waste of mileage for that route to run buses up there where there is no demand for areas the B25 serves. What I'm trying to do is make the B25 more efficient by truncating it from an area it doesn't need to serve.

B25) I would cut it back to improve on reliability and that the route has no business being up there. B27) It avoids Downtown Brooklyn so it could be a faster link from Williamsburg-Prospect Park-Borough Park-Bay Ridge. The routing has very sufficient demand on it's own. B57) No comment B67) The B77 does serve Navy Yard, what are you talking about..... And what demand is there for a route from KCH to Navy Yard? B69) It's only slightly circuitous, not a big deal. It's important that Union Street gets bus service restored and it eliminates duplication of the B67. Also weekdays only? I don't favor weekday only routes for the matter that people don't stop needing buses between Friday night and Monday morning. B77) I said earlier that the Navy Yard would be required to allow buses to pass through even wen it's closed. I agree that it wouldn't make sense to cut it off at Downtown Brooklyn.

Don't forget Vtrain as well.

Yeah it was the one about the Cranberry Tunnel.

B27: I don't think every service gap should be closed, just the ones where there is demand and there is demand Fort Hamilton Parkway. B57: Extending the route there would gain new riders, that's the whole point. B67: A relatively short extension along 16 Avenue which has no congestion would barely have any effect on reliability, just saying. B69: The problem is the lack of horizontal routes, not vertical routes. B77: I'm referring Court/Smith Streets (B77) and Fulton Street (B25).

Also, seeing now that you brought up the B110, that route is irrelevant. First thing, it's not operated by MTA, it's run by Private Transportation. Secondly, that bus always gets stuck on the BQE since it always gets jammed. The B110 is a perfect example on why buses should not use the BQE.

B27: Oh, because people love to transfer, especially when it's unnecessary . B57: Clearly to serve Queens Center Mall and the QBL subway, Maspeth High School, and that hospital on Hoffman Drive if I may add to generate more ridership on the B57. B67: Looks like we are just gonna have to disagree on that. B69: http://carrollgardens.patch.com/groups/around-town/p/millman-petitions-to-bring-back-b71-bus B77: I forgot to add, a reason this would be better than the B25 is that this B77 is a much shorter route and it uses less congested streets.

1) Yeah, I got that idea from you. It makes a lot more sense than those foolish B57 and B67 extensions. It would reinstate a one seat ride from Williamsburg to Red Hook which was lost when the old B61 was split into the current B61 and the B62 and it's more direct as well as serve DUMBO and the Navy Yard through the center. 2) IMO, it should be a reroute the B69 since the B69 is nothing more than a duplicate of the B67. No one on Vanderbilt has to ride it out to South Ferry. The ridership along Vanderbilt to the Grand Army Plaza is quite sufficient so that wouldn't be an issue. 3) There is demand for Williamsburg-Prospect Park-Borough Park-Bay Ridge so that was why I created the B27. It would be a route that would have been a multi purpose route that gives a link from Williamsburg to Borough Park and it operates along 13/14 Avenues.

B25: See my reply under B77 B27: First thing is that those routes have nothing to do with the gap along Fort Hamilton Parkway. Also if you really think someone is going to walk from 13/14 Avenues to Fort Hamilton Parkway, I have a bridge myself to sell you. Folks also have been clamoring for B16s to stay on Fort Hamilton Parkway and for a through 13/14 Avenue route. B57: I already said the routing on 57 Avenue was to bypass traffic on Grand Avenue, not to provide coverage along the street. And a B32/Q103 merger is actually an excellent idea. It would directly link Astoria to Williamsburg and it makes two dinky routes with low ridership useful, what are you talking about..... But I won't dive into that. B67: As long as the buses remain within schedule and pick up passengers, runtime isn't an issue. B69: Really? I heard residents are demanding the B71 to come back as the elimination of that route left riders stranded. A B69 reroute was also one of the things that they suggested. B77: What good does the B25 serving those areas do for DUMBO? I can assure you no one in DUMBO is looking for areas along the B25 past Downtown Brooklyn. There's much more demand for Red Hook and Williamsburg than some Clinton Hill and Fort Greene

B25: I always thought that this route had no business serving DUMBO. It already has enough shit to deal with on Fulton Street and the aim is to make the route a little more efficient. B27: There is actually a need for bus service north of 56/57 Streets on where the B16 turns off. The only reason it operates on 13/14 Avenues like that was because the MTA was too lazy to run a through route along 13/14 Avenues. B16 has no business being on those streets. As for my B27 paralleling the B43 and B48, I don't see how they have anything to do with the route. Neither route serves the WBP. B57: I put the route on 57 Avenue more so to bypass traffic on Grand Avenue than provide coverage. I have the B57s end between 57 and 59 Avenue on 92 Street, across the street from the Q88 stop under the overpass that connects the two sides of QCM. About the part south of Downtown, the MTA made a foolish move on extending the B57. They reduced service and buses became even more unreliable. Also I'm implicating that it also shouldn't take on that task as no one on the Maspeth-Downtown portion wants the other "side" of the route. Also ridership east of Woodhull is higher than south of Downtown Brooklyn. I didn't care for the B75 but when the MTA got rid of it, they should've replaced the Smith/Court portion with another route. B67: I would still have something serve 16 Avenue. The B67 makes sense since it terminates right there at Cortelyou/McDonald. As for reliability, it would have very little effects, if any on reliability as it's a short extension and 16 Avenue doesn't get congested. Don't forget that I also cut the B67 back to it's old terminus full-time as well. B69: I have said this too many times that what the MTA did to the B69 in 2010 was retarded. They tried to use it as an excuse to make the B67 obsolete. Look at it this way: What the MTA essentially did was eliminate the B69 and they rerouted every other B67 north of Flatbush Avenue onto the B69 route and then relabled them as B69s. Also there is a need for bus service along Union Street. The problem with the old B71 was the portion east of Grand Army Plaza. West of Grand Army Plaza, usage was alright. East of it on Eastern Parkway was the issue since the route had no one riding it there. I chose to reroute the B69 to eliminate duplication of the B67. This would allow B67 and B69 service levels to be restored to the way they were pre-2010. It doesn't replace the B71 entirely, just the portion where the bulk of ridership was. B77: Actually it would serve more areas. It serves the parts of DUMBO served by the B25 and the parts served by the B67 extension. As for Navy Yard being closed on weekends, looks like the Navy yard is just gonna have to allow buses to pass through on Saturdays and Sundays .

Anyways

Wrong thread dude.