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  1. The walk-in protest session is July 14, 2016 between 1:30 - 3:30pm at 180 Livingston Street, room 4041, Brooklyn NY 11201. You MUST HAVE your Candidates Personal Record of Answers with you. It is your ticket of admission. Candidates will not be admitted without it. Looks like I was wrong about the way answers are graded. Here is the official info: After Taking a Test Multiple-Choice, Essay and Oral Tests The City begins the process of validating an answer key or a rating guide and scoring each examination. As part of this process, State Civil Service Law provides a limited period of time in which each candidate is eligible to protest proposed answers to multiple-choice test questions or the rating guide for essay and oral tests. Any challenges received during the protest period are resolved by a panel (see TVB below) and the final answer key or the final rating guide is approved for test rating. Once all test parts are rated, the list is created in rank order by passing score and is eventually established as the eligible list, which is used to hire employees for vacancies. The creation of the eligible list usually occurs six to nine months after the test date. Upon publication or establishment of a list, the City notifies all candidates of their official score and list number. Candidates who believe they were scored incorrectly may appeal their scores at this time. Test Validation Board (TVB) Generally, the applicant protest period for non-computerized exams begins in the fifth week after the test is given. Candidates then have thirty (30) days to submit written protests to the proposed key answers. Candidates must explain why their answers are as good as or better than the posted key answers. The Test Validation Board (TVB) reviews each protest and if necessary, makes appropriate changes to the answer key. The TVB traditionally consists of one representative of the union, a subject expert and an exam expert. Upon completion of the TVB review a final answer key is established, the exams are rated and the eligible list is published and/or established. There is a 30-day period after the exam results are released (upon the publishing or establishment of a list) during which candidates are permitted to appeal the calculation of their final score.
  2. Unfortunately, the official officials aren't pulling statements out of THEIR asses to clarify, so all anyone can do is guess. I will admit, I don't know how the protests are graded. Here is what I do know: "Bring with you a pen, any texts, manuals, or other material you wish to cite in your protest. This is an opportunity for you to explain in writing why you believe that YOUR ANSWERS(emphasis added) should be considered as good as or better than the proposed key answers." Judging by this statement, the exam graders will only consider modifying a given individual's answer keys only for that individual and not for the entire pool of test-takers. That seems to be the method that's going to be applied. Meaning, if one person successfully protests an answer on Question #6, for example, but another person who got it wrong doesn't protest, the non-protester forfeits that question. If it worked the other way around, and the answers were changed for all test-takers as the result of a protest, then what would happen to the scores of tbe test takers who got #6 right? Would their answers be changed to wrong? Wouldn't they then have to protest? Except there is no mention here on the form of everyone having their test scores changed as the result of one protest. So the people who got those five questions right are penalized by having their answers struck from consideration?
  3. The problem with that rationale is that if three people protest a given question and they picked three different answers, what would the decision be? And people who didn'yt protest would benefit even though they conceded.
  4. You are mistaken, if you have a proposed answer changed, only you benefit. Anyone else who got that question wrong has to make their own protest and explanation. You benefit if you challenge intelligently and persuasively and make a compelling rationale to have your wrong answer tossed out. Your other points about hiring, promotion and days off from work are irrelevant to the exam. The MTA is very clever about this. If you make knowledgeable, sensible points in your protest, the answers can be granted based on your reasoning skills. But they won't tell you that. They want to see if you possess the initiative to come down and make the effort to persuade them, to show them that you're smart and care about this job enough to understand it and fight for it.
  5. My understanding is that the so-called questions with more than one right answer are challengeable if you can field an explanation as to why your selected answer is as good or better than the one proposed in the answer key. This is a trick the MTA uses to further winnow out the field. It forces the candidate for the job to display logic and comprehension skills, which, if impressive enough, can result in an overturned answer. This, in effect, is the "writing" portion of the exam. You're basically displaying grammar and analytical skills, giving the employer a window into how your mind works. They wanna know that. Thus, people who can't differentiate between "you're" and "your", or can't spell or articulate clearly are flushed out immediately.
  6. Right, but the vast majority got way many more wrong than 5 or 6 questions. I think that if I can get maybe three wrong answers out of my six thrown out that would be a big help. The kinds of questions that must be protested if they get marked wrong are discretionary questions. Like, if a child is crying alone on the station, what is the most appropriate thing to do? Or, what if a shopping cart gets stuck in the doors, or if someone asks you for directions and you don't understand them, what should you do? Those are the questions that can possibly be protested successfully. Anyone here have any tboughts about that?
  7. It sure is possible, and I will go first. I took the AM test on May 22nd at Midwood. This is what the answers were for the questions they said I got wrong. 6. B (I chose D) 17. A 47. D 53. B 56. B 73. B I am convinced that I must have gotten most of these right.
  8. I checked my score and I was flabbergasted. I saw, in comparing my answer key to the answers I recorded that I had six wrong. I thought I only had one wrong. There is no way I could have gotten SIX wrong. I believe the test was incorrectly graded; somehow, somebody somewhere in the exams unit made mistakes. To those of you who feel you got more questions wrong than you should have, I think you should protest. But how does this protest session work? What happens after you write your paper there? Do they get back to you, do they justify themselves if you're overruled?
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