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Is tomorrow the protest session for ALL exams or only a specific one?

It is for the specific test date of May 22 in the AM. But you should go and ask anyway. You could get valuable info on what to do next, like a post-protest.

Can someone plz share there protest experience , did u get a answer changed ? Or something?

I am going tomorrow. Your answers don't get changed at the session, and apparently you are never notified about what happened as a result of your protest. All that you will ever know is whether the % you got right on your answer key is the same as the one on the official list. If your score is higher than what it is now, then some wrong answers got tossed. I hope to have at least three or more tossed and perhaps all six.

If you guys are referring to Sanitation exam 5001, I'll let you know that it seemed like the entire state of NY took that one. My score was 100.7140. About 4,000 other people scored that same number....My list number was 6,265. I've been told countless times by employees working more than a decade in DSNY to forget about getting a call, unless a miracle by God himself happens. If anyone here saw what exam 5001 looked like IN PERSON, they would feel much better about this Conductor exam. I know with 3 questions wrong, I feel great (comparing to 5001). Oh yeah...the guy at the number 1 spot in 5001, scored an impeccable 133.5710 with every damn credit known to man.

 

 

68,720 is the last number on that list.

In 6601, which 3 did you get wrong?

Realistically speaking, in a worst-case scenario, what is the likelihood of someone who got 6 wrong of getting called? And aproximately how long would that take?

where can I see the list for both of those exams you are referring to?

http://www.nyctransi...ctor-exam-8094/

I'm getting this vibe that if you get more than 1 wrong you're basically screwed, due to how many people took the exam and what not...i know i shouldn't worry because everyone is saying just wait till the list comes out then ill know where i stand, but idk maybe I'm just being a pessimist  

When I protest my questions, I hope to get down to maybe three wrong. I wouldn't worry at all if I had your score. I thought I had all of them right. The discretionary questions are the ones to challenge. I may end up improving my score.

I got 2 questions wrong (so that's a 97.50). From reading this thread I have no hope of getting called.

read this thread:

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/13097-conductor-exam-8094/

 

I think people with many more wrong than two will get called, but it'll take longer...we'll see...

i took the test on 5/22 PM and the protest day for that is july 14 1:30-3:30 PM..i got 3 wrong, I'm so pissed the ones i thought i got wrong i got right and vice versa...i doubt I'm going to get called...there goes that.

Why do you think 3 wrong rules you out? There were people from 8094 who got twice that many wrong and were called.

i got wrong # 06, 39, 56 as well, plus # 2, 38, 65. didn't hear anything about the protest session.

They were supposed to give you tbis information at tne exam, as well as a Candidate's Personal Record of Answers, on which you were supposed to write the date of the protest session. Protest sessions are all this week at 180 Livingston Street.

 

If you are unable to attend the protest session, then you may file a post-protest. In a post-protest, you must submit your protests no later than 30 days from the scheduled protest session date with the exam title, test date, exam number, Social Security #, and question number(s) along with your name and address and mail it to:

 

MTA New York City Transit

Examinations Section

180 Livingston Street

Room 4070

Brooklyn, NY 11201

exam date 4/23 and I got 6 wrong =( crazy thing is I could have sworn I had everything right except two iffy ones and it turns out I got one of the iffy ones right and the other wrong. the two iffy ones for me were questions 30 and 62 and my key was as follows for the wrong ones.

 

06. A

11. B

39. D

56. A

62. C

80. A

 

can anyone confirm any of these could be protested?

Yes, they can! Protest them anyway, you never know.

I doesn't even make logical sense to only adjust the grade of the protesters. The question will be thrown out for all testers. Now all I need is for someone to tell me when the protest session for the 5/22 am exam will take place so I can get 'our' scores adjusted.

The walk-in protest session is July 14, 2016 between 1:30 - 3:30pm at 180 Livingston Street, room 4041, Brooklyn NY 11201. You MUST HAVE your Candidates Personal Record of Answers with you. It is your ticket of admission. Candidates will not be admitted without it.

 

Looks like I was wrong about the way answers are graded. Here is the official info:

 

After Taking a Test

 

Multiple-Choice, Essay and Oral Tests

The City begins the process of validating an answer key or a rating guide and scoring each examination. As part of this process, State Civil Service Law provides a limited period of time in which each candidate is eligible to protest proposed answers to multiple-choice test questions or the rating guide for essay and oral tests. Any challenges received during the protest period are resolved by a panel (see TVB below) and the final answer key or the final rating guide is approved for test rating. Once all test parts are rated, the list is created in rank order by passing score and is eventually established as the eligible list, which is used to hire employees for vacancies. The creation of the eligible list usually occurs six to nine months after the test date.

 

Upon publication or establishment of a list, the City notifies all candidates of their official score and list number. Candidates who believe they were scored incorrectly may appeal their scores at this time.

 

Test Validation Board (TVB)

Generally, the applicant protest period for non-computerized exams begins in the fifth week after the test is given. Candidates then have thirty (30) days to submit written protests to the proposed key answers. Candidates must explain why their answers are as good as or better than the posted key answers. The Test Validation Board (TVB) reviews each protest and if necessary, makes appropriate changes to the answer key. The TVB traditionally consists of one representative of the union, a subject expert and an exam expert. Upon completion of the TVB review a final answer key is established, the exams are rated and the eligible list is published and/or established. There is a 30-day period after the exam results are released (upon the publishing or establishment of a list) during which candidates are permitted to appeal the calculation of their final score.

Keep in mind that this is the internet and basically anyone can pull a statement out of their ass and make it sound pretty. Take your estimated score, attend your respective protest session if you can and just wait for an official word from transit themselves. Until then, don't go crazy over all this chit chat from non-officials.

Unfortunately, the official officials aren't pulling statements out of THEIR asses to clarify, so all anyone can do is guess. I will admit, I don't know how the protests are graded. Here is what I do know:

 

"Bring with you a pen, any texts, manuals, or other material you wish to cite in your protest. This is an opportunity for you to explain in writing why you believe that YOUR ANSWERS(emphasis added) should be considered as good as or better than the proposed key answers."

 

Judging by this statement, the exam graders will only consider modifying a given individual's answer keys only for that individual and not for the entire pool of test-takers. That seems to be the method that's going to be applied. Meaning, if one person successfully protests an answer on Question #6, for example, but another person who got it wrong doesn't protest, the non-protester forfeits that question.

 

If it worked the other way around, and the answers were changed for all test-takers as the result of a protest, then what would happen to the scores of tbe test takers who got #6 right? Would their answers be changed to wrong? Wouldn't they then have to protest? Except there is no mention here on the form of everyone having their test scores changed as the result of one protest.

That's not true. If a question gets thrown out, it changes everyones scores. If the MTA throws out 5 questions because people protested them, then the entire 6601 exam changes from a 80 question test to a 75 question test, changing the scores for everyone who completed the test.

 

So the people who got those five questions right are penalized by having their answers struck from consideration?

That's not true. If a question gets thrown out, it changes everyones scores. If the MTA throws out 5 questions because people protested them, then the entire 6601 exam changes from a 80 question test to a 75 question test, changing the scores for everyone who completed the test.

 

The problem with that rationale is that if three people protest a given question and they picked three different answers, what would the decision be? And people who didn'yt protest would benefit even though they conceded.

The problem is if I or anyone else successfully protested a proposed answer that was arbitrary I am not the only one to benefit. Everyone else who picked the same answer as me will also benefit. I don't receive any preference or extra credit for being analytical or proving that MTA's proposed answer was illogical or arbitrary. I don't receive preference in hiring or promotion. Is that fair? If I took a day off from work to attend the protest while someone else did not why do I not receive any extra credit?

 

You are mistaken, if you have a proposed answer changed, only you benefit. Anyone else who got that question wrong has to make their own protest and explanation. You benefit if you challenge intelligently and persuasively and make a compelling rationale to have your wrong answer tossed out. Your other points about hiring, promotion and days off from work are irrelevant to the exam. The MTA is very clever about this. If you make knowledgeable, sensible points in your protest, the answers can be granted based on your reasoning skills. But they won't tell you that. They want to see if you possess the initiative to come down and make the effort to persuade them, to show them that you're smart and care about this job enough to understand it and fight for it.

I have 7 wrong the same with bridges and tunnel officer. If they protest can some right answers turn into wrong answers?

My understanding is that the so-called questions with more than one right answer are challengeable if you can field an explanation as to why your selected answer is as good or better than the one proposed in the answer key. This is a trick the MTA uses to further winnow out the field. It forces the candidate for the job to display logic and comprehension skills, which, if impressive enough, can result in an overturned answer. This, in effect, is the "writing" portion of the exam. You're basically displaying grammar and analytical skills, giving the employer a window into how your mind works. They wanna know that. Thus, people who can't differentiate between "you're" and "your", or can't spell or articulate clearly are flushed out immediately.

You are forgetting that over 40,000 people took this test

Right, but the vast majority got way many more wrong than 5 or 6 questions. I think that if I can get maybe three wrong answers out of my six thrown out that would be a big help.

 

The kinds of questions that must be protested if they get marked wrong are discretionary questions. Like, if a child is crying alone on the station, what is the most appropriate thing to do? Or, what if a shopping cart gets stuck in the doors, or if someone asks you for directions and you don't understand them, what should you do? Those are the questions that can possibly be protested successfully. Anyone here have any tboughts about that?

Can we make an anonymous poll of users on the forum to find out when they took the test (date and AM or PM sessions) and which questions they received wrong for that particular session.  This way we can compare notes and see if many people had a particular question # marked as incorrect (as per the proposed answer key).  Maybe we could have a separate poll for each test date and AM/PM session...   

 

Is this possible?

It sure is possible, and I will go first. I took the AM test on May 22nd at Midwood. This is what the answers were for the questions they said I got wrong.

 

6. B (I chose D)

17. A

47. D

53. B

56. B

73. B

 

I am convinced that I must have gotten most of these right.

I checked my score and I was flabbergasted. I saw, in comparing my answer key to the answers I recorded that I had six wrong. I thought I only had one wrong. There is no way I could have gotten SIX wrong. I believe the test was incorrectly graded; somehow, somebody somewhere in the exams unit made mistakes. To those of you who feel you got more questions wrong than you should have, I think you should protest.

 

But how does this protest session work? What happens after you write your paper there? Do they get back to you, do they justify themselves if you're overruled?