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The best part about this change is that R160s are back on the ... Well not really

I like this idea. North parts of Queens could be well served with light rail. Only a short extension and Astoria - LIE line would really be needed for heavy rail at this point in time and that can just be an / extension.

I'd have this as a light rail and then after Flushing it would continue down Main St to Jamaica.

Could be SAS could be Broadway

Northern Queens Trunk Line The Northern Queens trunk line would be a northern counterpart to the Queens Boulevard Line. While that line would carry 8th and 6th Ave trains, the North Queens line would carry Broadway and Second Ave trains. Broadway trains would be extended past Astoria to LaGuardia and Mets Willets Point. (U) would go via 63rd Street and Sunnyside, then to Northern Blvd until Mets Willets Point. At this station the would take the local 2 tracks and (U) express until 162nd Street via Northern again where locals would terminate. (U) would then run to Clearview Expy.

I have a similar plan with Fulton service replacing the Jamaica Line past Bway Junction, then branches to Utica Ave and a Metropolitan Ave extension to the LIE which would be the on utica and on LIE

To effectively create expansion in Queens, there are a few corridors I'm interested in: Northern Blvd: Good relief for the , Astoria Line extension could be a more cost-effective option, and Port Washington Branch could be recaptured LIE: Effective for central Queens, very necessary Jewel Ave: could be a short QBL extension Union Tpke: Too close to but could connect with something else

Seems you can tie in a regional rail to that involving NJT and MNRR.

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A complete plan for Queens expansion Northern Blvd could just be a 3-track extension of the or SAS. 3 tracks to Main St, 2 to Francis Lewis Blvd extension to Whitestone New light rail from Flushing/Main St - Sutphin Blvd SAS would replace in South Brooklyn rerouting them to Williamsburg. would run to Metropolitan Ave, would run to Broadway Junction would be extended from Metropolitan Ave to Utopia Pkway via LIE. North of the Bypass SAS would connect to it. extension to Rosedale extension to Springfield Blvd extension to LGA extension to Hollis Three tracks on all of Jamaica Line, so <J> service would replace the would run past Hanover Square to the Atlantic Branch and Jamaica

Late repsonse but the next question here is how to properly tie SAS into it, and other service expansions.

Wasn't there something the MTA did about a new line in Queens or something? There was an image IIRC?

Agreed. Would it have been a good idea to leave QBL CBTC to a post- R46 time? Just leave the R32s to the and and we would be fine

I don't think the ridership would be anywhere near high enough. I've been there and it's probably just best to take the

Below 72nd it's 4 tracks. My Northern Blvd is basically your Astoria Blvd carrying the SAS services. My reasoning behind keeping SAS to Northern/79th is that an or (deinterlining) extension can be the Astoria Blvd service, just to Flushing. Gets you to Manhattan and the M60. Later on a shuttle between LaGuardia and 125/Lex can be constructed. Preferably an Airtrain. Northern Blvd is really the only corridor where maximum relief for the can be put into effect. Bypass probably isn't worth it if QBL gets CBTC + deinterlining + more accessible LIRR as someone said on the proposals thread. 100% on the to Throgs Neck. Could also be a light rail. LIE is another good corridor, potentially connecting to a South 4th Street Subway. I'll think about this. service is best used as a supplementary local on Northern, but it would probably not get high ridership so i'll cut it to Sunnyside so it can at least connect. will be the primary local.

Oh you only said a rail crossing. My bad

I probably wouldn't prefer 2 tunnels, but the should be a straight shot up 21st and then cross the tunnel at 125th.

New service in Brooklyn should mostly be used for under-capacity or lines in need of improvement, like Fulton or Jamaica First the should be used for an Atlantic Ave Superexpress service. Another service can be used for the Fulton Local service. This could also be something on Broadway such as or . Long term both the would run here for service to Jamaica and Euclid Ave, but for the first part just Euclid. The would get a third track past Broadway Junction so instead of service <J> service could run. Past Broadway Junction would later be replaced with either or and west of Broadway Junction would be accompanied with or trains because SAS service would now run on the West End/Brighton Lines. Service would be as follows: To Jamaica Center via Atlantic Branch To Euclid Ave via Fulton Local To Jamaica Center via Fulton Local and Jamaica Line east of broadway Junction To Broadway Junction To Broadway Junction To Metropolitan Ave (U) To Coney Island or Brighton Beach

Heard something somewhere about weekend service being operated on the subway system at all times due to you-know-what. Not sure if they are or aren't, haven't bothered to check. They should probably just operate late night service

What do you think would be the best service patterns and alignments/expansions for Queens?

That was a large scale plan, here I'll make it a bit less expensive SAS Lines: Bway 125th Street - Bay Parkway Note this is a temporary terminal. The could also run via the Atlantic Branch to Jamaica Center and Cambria Heights. Jamaica 179th Street - Atlantic Ave via Bypass and Jamaica Line (Y) Francis Lewis Blvd - Jackson Heights via Astoria Line extension, Jamaica Line, Myrtle Line extension extended to Gun Hill Rd

Here's a new plan Bway 125 Street - 9 Ave/Bay Parkway via 2nd Ave, Manhattan Bridge, West End (P) College Point - Euclid Ave via Northern Blvd Lcl, 2nd Ave, Fulton Street Lcl Bell Blvd - Atlantic Av via Northern Blvd Exp, 2nd Ave, Jamaica Line, Canarsie (Y) Jamaica/179th Street - Lefferts Blvd via Hillside, Bypass, 2nd Ave, Fulton Street Exp Flushing Main Street - Church Ave via Northern Blvd Local, Crosstown Gun Hill Rd - Coney Island via 3rd Ave, rest of route

@Jova42R I would rather have service via bypass so that we would have QBL and relief lines, the and respectively. Because I wanna keep things 2 tracked past the junction, I'd route service via the 63rd Street tunnel until a 79th Street tunnel can be made. Northern Blvd subway would be 3 tracks to Flushing for peak service, 2 to College Point. Provisions for a 4th track included. So here would be the full idea: from Fordham Road - Coney Island from 125th/Bway - 2nd ave express - a southern terminal from College Point - 79th - 2nd ave local - a southern terminal from Laurelton - 79th - 2nd ave local - a southern terminal from Flushing Main Street - Church Ave

Any good reliable sources for R32 retirements? Wikipedia says there's 58 in service currently but in the past I was told not to use it.

I think most SAS service north should be sent to Queens, because only service on 3rd Ave to Fordham Road is really needed right now, combined with to Broadway/125th Street So for Queens I propose a 4-track Northern Blvd trunk line. Basically the QBL's northern counterpart. It would carry (U) and for Second Avenue from a 79th Street tunnel, and possibly for local service. It would carry 4 tracks from Sunnyside to Flushing-Main Street , then 2 tracks to College Point. service and potentially extended service could run to Bayside. For bypass service I'd rather just divert the