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I imagine it came down to ridership data (eg Sea Beach riders are more likely to go to Astoria and Brighton riders to Uptown Manhattan) but also the was always less popular than the south of 57th St, meaning it would be easier to split it into the and without inconveniencing as many riders.
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Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas
Reptile replied to EE Broadway Local's topic in New York City Subway
Ok, I've finished my new (mostly) deinterlining and expansion plan - let me know what you think 168th St to Far Rockaway Bedford Pk Blvd or 145 St to Lefferts Blvd Springfield Gardens (extended from Jamaica Center) to WTC 188 St/73 Av (extended from Forest Hills) to WTC Note that some trains will have to terminate at 2 Av on the because WTC can't handle all that capacity. This is fine IMO, most riders usually leave by West 4 or Canal, although it will cause interlining at West 4th. trains, if possible, will switch to the express tracks via a new junction right after the 50th St station before the QBL tracks join in. 207th St to Bay Ridge/95th St, running express to 59th then switching to local. Co-Op City (extended from Norwood) to Coney Island via Sea Beach Springfield Blvd (extended from 179th) to Coney Island via Culver Jamaica-179 St to Church Av - trains will run express on Culver since the can carry that service. Rush hours could possibly run to Kings Highway for even longer service. The will have to interline with the , though. Note that the and will interline at the 36th St Junction. I feel as though QBL riders will be very mad if this doesn't happen. However, the MTA could build a station on the 63rd St line to connect it to the Queens Plaza station or to the Queensboro Plaza station - this is the only way I could see an "all express via 53rd, all local via 63rd" routing working. LaGuardia (extended from Astoria) to Coney Island via West End - runs via Montague and 4th Av Local, also a Broadway local 125th St/Broadway (extended from 96th) to Coney Island Brighton Beach LaGuardia (extended from Astoria) to St. George. It would branch off the 4th Av Local tracks at 59th St and use a new tunnel to Staten Island. Co-Op City (extended via 3rd Av from 96th) to Euclid Av. This line would use a new tunnel from Hanover Sq to Borough Hall (with connections to the ) which would then dip south to connect with the outer tracks at Hoyt-Schermerhorn. To keep the Transit museum operating, it would run behind the walls of the Court St station. Bayside/Bell Blvd to Metropolitan Av/Middle Village. This line would run via a new Northern Blvd line to Broadway in Queens where it would turn and run to Manhattan, having transfers to the . It would run via a new 79th St tunnel with a station at 1st Av to serve Yorkville and then go down to a lower level at 72nd St where the would also run. So 72nd St would be a 6-track station, the top two for service and the bottom 4 for trains. The would run express on 2nd Av stopping at 125th, 72nd, 42nd, 14th, and Houston Sts while the would be local. After Houston St the would copy the 's route. The and a new green ( H ) route originating in Prospect Park on the Franklin line would run to the Northern Blvd line through a rebuilt Court Sq station that would run under 23rd St rather than Jackson Av and then turn to 21st St to connect with the and also to serve western Astoria. The would be extended to 72nd St/Broadway to better serve the West Side. The would be rebuilt to be a peak-express route stopping only at Jamaica Center, Sutphin Blvd, Woodhaven Blvd, Crescent St, Broadway Junction, Myrtle Av, and Marcy Av. This would easily make it competitive with the . Now for the IRT... 42nd St identical, though the would be extended to College Point and Whitestone. identical but extended to Avenue U/Nostrand Av Dyre Av to Avenue U/Nostrand Av, replaces service identical but extended to New Lots and maybe to the Gateway Center Woodlawn to Kings Plaza, runs via a Utica Av line. This will interline with the at Franklin Av, but it's not that bad. A new service would be created running from a rebuilt 135 St station to 148 St and maybe extended up to Yankee Stadium through a similar route as the 9th Av el. The Franklin would be cut. -
Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas
Reptile replied to EE Broadway Local's topic in New York City Subway
Would it be possible to expand the World Trade Center terminal to 3 tracks to allow more service to run? Or is there too much infrastructure in the way? -
Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas
Reptile replied to EE Broadway Local's topic in New York City Subway
My finalized (no it's not) plan for the Second Avenue Line from 125 St-Bway to Euclid Av. This will run via the tunnel after Hanover Sq that I posted about ( V ) from Bayside/Bell Blvd to Coney Island. This will run via the 63rd St tunnel to a new Northern Blvd line with the and an extended Franklin Ave shuttle called the ( K ). It will replace service in Brooklyn, which will operate to Williamsburg and Metropolitan Av. ( Y ) from Fordham University to Brighton Beach. This will run under 3rd Av in the Bronx with the and will be the only Express line on the SAS. Its main aim is to reduce crowding on the . It will replace service in Brooklyn, which will operate to Williamsburg and Jamaica (rush hours using a new third track to go straight from Bway Junction to Woodhaven and then to Jamaica) Express stations will be 125 St, 72 St, 42 St, 14 St, Houston St, Grand St. -
Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas
Reptile replied to EE Broadway Local's topic in New York City Subway
Ok, I think a better idea would be to create an infill station on the 63rd St line at Crescent or 27th Street and 41st Ave that would have a transfer to the since they're only a block away. Would also possibly decrease some transfer congestion, for example a rider going from Astoria to West 4th wouldn't transfer at Herald Square anymore. But then again the 60th and 63rd St lines run very close so maybe that's not worth the cost. -
Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas
Reptile replied to EE Broadway Local's topic in New York City Subway
Would it be a good idea to connect the 60th St tunnel to the SAS and reroute service down 2nd Av? This would give an opportunity for SAS to have two trains going into Queens if at some point it is upgraded to have 4 tracks. (the other would go via the 63rd st tunnel) It would also allow connections to the and maybe make the 34th street junction on the more efficient. -
Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas
Reptile replied to EE Broadway Local's topic in New York City Subway
Alternatively, south of Grand St, some 2nd Av tracks could be connected to the former south tracks on the Manhattan bridge that go straight to Chambers St, which would open up the as transfers plus the other trains from my previous post (the station at Borough Hall). That would be nearly the entire subway system connected to SAS with just one transfer. With a Second Avenue route running down to Broad St (the would terminate at Chambers), it could also run under the Montague tunnel to supplement 4th Av local service, maybe recreating the 's route in Brooklyn but I doubt it would have that high ridership there. -
Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas
Reptile replied to EE Broadway Local's topic in New York City Subway
Since it's been a topic of discussion that the as proposed won't have many connections, here is a realistic proposal on how to give it easy and effective connections to Eastern and Southern Brooklyn while keeping the route as originally proposed. After the Hanover Sq station, located at William and Wall streets, the will turn east at the Coenties Slip and run under 55 Water Street and/or the memorial. Then it will go underwater in a new tunnel to Brooklyn, and it will reach land under Remsen Street. This is right in between Montague St where the runs and Joralemon St where the run. There will be a new station in Brooklyn at Remsen and Court St for the to transfer to the at Borough Hall. service will finally run under Boreum Pl to Schermerhorn St, where it will connect to the unused Court St Shuttle tracks. This allows the to connect to the without destroying the transit museum. This will provide numerous new connections as riders coming from 4th Av and Eastern Parkway to Manhattan can now have a transfer to 2nd Av before leaving Brooklyn. Since the will already have access to the at Grand St, the connection may come in handy for riders. The will already have a transfer at Houston St/2 Av. So with this one connection, virtually all of Brooklyn's subways gain access to the SAS, hopefully setting aside the fears regarding its integration with the rest of the network. -
Still no word on when the other R211 sets are returning? Those few weeks where we had all of them were amazing, it was like every train was an R211 lol
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Any word on when the 6 R211 trains that were taken out are coming back in?
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I just saw and trains on CPW...
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Is there any record of what the most popular stations on the subway system were in the past, say the 1930s - to measure the volume of ridership that moved from downtown to midtown?
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Following the lines built by the BMT and IRT for the Dual Contracts, the BMT had plans for lines along 8th Avenue and a Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown (which the IND used in their plan and built). But did the IRT have anything planned after their lines were built?
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Does anyone have any documents relating to Daniel Turner's 1920 plan for the subway? I can't find any scans where the Downtown Manhattan/Downtown Brooklyn areas are legible.
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At the Nevins St station there is a lower level with a provision to a line that would have run along Lafayette Av. Are there any IRT documents or proposals that show where this Lafayette avenue line would have terminated, maybe in Willamsburg like the or LIC like the , or would it have run straight to northeast Queens?