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23 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said:

Your second paragraph is spot on. A camera is good for identifying a perpetrator after a crime or people who might be assembling prior to committing a crime. Law enforcement personnel on the scene is a better deterrent. Problem is that you have to pay those people. Look no further than the red light camera program. Cost benefits.

As to your first point. The  doesn’t want to place large orders for equipment with any one manufacturer. Any delays or faulty equipment leaves them high and dry. Remember the faulty trucks on the subway cars or the Grumman Flxible bus fiasco ? Relying on a sole source is really rolling the dice, IMO. My opinion. Carry on.

True, very very good point, I didn't specifically mean one manufacture. With the R-160 Order was one large order with two different builders as the R-142/A etc. I do understand both sides but I'm pointing out the financial side where Kawasaki is the base order however there can be further option orders of the R-211 with a different builder which in my opinion would be efficient and cost effective to buy sooner than later as inflation rises. Having an option for ex 600 subway cars to replace the R-68 / A series in 2022-2025(while the base option R-211) are still being delivered would cost less than an entire new order in 2027(just an example) and cars wouldn't arrive til 2 years later. Would make the entire B division uniformed with 60 footers and NTT. 

I hope this is a very large order(meaning) not just to replace the R-46's but to replace ALL R68/A Series. It would be financially cheaper to have a large order now than have a separate order 5 years later to replace the 68's which are nearing 40 years old.

As far as the cameras on the subway its 2022, cameras are nearly everywhere in 1st world countries. A camera is not going to deter someone with bad intentions to not carryout those intentions regardless where they are located in the world. 

I hope transit learns from the R-160 order, that should had been a larger order as well however due to the R-44's safety structural concern 32's and 42's were forced to labor an additional decade and a half.

How soon will there be a final decision or a tentative schedule of when the next runs would be? I hope they won't cancel the final few Sundays. I would love to make the 4 hour trek to see my family and enjoy a round trip or 2 on the 32's.

17 hours ago, Deucey said:

Why not the STi?

This is the one me and my old 2nr buddies always wanted - 98 STi 22B. Never sold in the US - widebody, 2.2L Turbo, 276 hp on a  government dyno (some hit 300 hp on other dynos).

 

Aside from the cost which is $7k-$15k more for the STI, it is an older platform engine wise and not as efficient as the FA-20 motor the 2015+ WRX has. I didn't want to deal with ring-land, head gasket issues from a platform that hasn't changed in 20+yrs and I said before the efficiency. The FA motor you can get power out of it with a simple tune or going to E85. STI you're more restricted.

I value the car I drive and the bank still owns for another 3 years which is a 2019 Subaru WRX. It's a Japanese muscle car 4cyl turbo, manual transmission(6 speed). I love it because its an all around car that has AWD, and its a sedan thats spacious. For a turbo vehicle it gets 25 mpg for someone that travels roughly 30miles round trip to/from work. Doesn't cost much to fuel about $35 on premium to fill the tank, I fill up every 12 to 15 days. It meets my needs because it's unique with the hood scoop, manual option, sedan body, turbo charged, AWD for under $30k. I could care less if people have negative opinions because everyone is entitled to their opinion. It was this car or a 2019 Totoya Camry XSE which costs close to $35k and had no manual option. I love when people film my car or check it out because it is an attention grabber and in public I have no expectation of privacy so those curious people know who I am when I drive by even though I don't know who they are lol

In November and December of 2017 during the 30 day test, iirc didn't during testing the R179 experience door issues on one of the trips, and still passed the test without reset? If wrong what was the issue and still why was the issue not considered major?

On 8/20/2019 at 12:01 AM, <6>PelhamExp said:

Something similar was done on the Bronx bound  and  trains when they had R142As. Instead of northbound trains in Manhattan announcing, "This is a Bronx Bound  Local train" the announcements played, "This is a Pelham Bay Park bound  train making Express stops in the Bronx" or "This is a Parkchester bound  local train". I think this was done to make it clear for passengers whether the train was the Parkchester Local or Pelham Express.

That announcement is exclusive for the 3rd Av 138th St bound 6 trains that short turn in the morning.

9 hours ago, paulrivera said:

The work can be done and it has happened before. Yes, I know that. 

The Concourse line can handle its own plus Jerome. When I was younger I remember the being shut down north of 161st St which was the last stop and the was an option, shuttle buses were provided, the Bx32 runs via Jerome from Kingsbridge to 176th... The ran 8 minute headways at the time, which it doesn't now, and the Bx32 runs every half hour on the weekends. And the shuttle buses only run between Woodlawn and Bedford Park.

lets not forget BPB is an ADA station so that satisfies transfers to the Beeline service.  - 100% false.  - Elevator construction is still in progress. The shuttle buses are useful to get from the Bee-Line to the  tho.

Concourse has its help even if service isnt increased. The Bx1/2, and Express buses hold their share as well from Mosholu down to near 167th. It can be done but theres always an excuse for something now in days. Cant use Yankee games as an excuse as one can argue there are long stretches of away games. The express bus is about to be discontinued, and there's also soccer games sprinkled in (there were 3 this week alone.)

Then there shouldn't be any b.s for shutting down Jerome Line, can't we agree? I'm sure you grew up along the  and know what has been done and the weird services that are ran on that line.

Albeit the (D)'s headways are longer now that can be compensated with some short turns 2nd Av is an option. Bx32 schedule can be adjusted and prepared for the upcoming G.O, my apologies was thinking of 205th , anyways BPB needs and should have been ADA long ago especially with the college, high schools nearby. 

Even if the express buses didn't exist there is still extra service that can be provided for the Concourse Line. It wasn't that long ago the  was shut down north of Yankee Stadium, if it was like 20 to 30 years ago where population would be significant than 5 to 10 years I could understand but I still can't get over the petty excuses(Not you btw) for something that has been done before.

9 hours ago, Deucey said:

But it’s not like they couldn’t run trains to 167th, do the crew switch on the uptown platform, do a reverse on the center track, and start the run there.

It’d require precision, but it could be done and still move trains at normal frequencies.

 

Folks just don’t wanna.

Thats how it works. Train crews end service at 161. Check the cars for any remaining passengers, train heads north and relays at 167th preparing for service at Yankee Stadium. One could argue why not terminate the  at 167th but there aren't any connections there aside from the Bx35 which runs via Highbridge

The work can be done and it has happened before. The Concourse line can handle its own plus Jerome. When I was younger I remember the being shut down north of 161st St which was the last stop and the was an option, shuttle buses were provided, the Bx32 runs via Jerome from Kingsbridge to 176th...lets not forget BPB is an ADA station so that satisfies transfers to the Beeline service. Concourse has its help even if service isnt increased. The Bx1/2, and Express buses hold their share as well from Mosholu down to near 167th. It can be done but theres always an excuse for something now in days. Cant use Yankee games as an excuse as one can argue there are long stretches of away games.

9 hours ago, EphraimB said:

That MTA employee told me that the 5-car R179s will only be enough for 4-5 trains.

They must not be aware of the order modification or it could be true. Simply odd balls at Jamaica. 

Uniform purposes, completely forgot about the C full length thing

On 6/4/2018 at 5:06 PM, Coney Island Av said:

Transit Tech's too far for it to even be a viable school for me. It's all the way by Euclid Av on the , and I'm all the way in Harlem, three stops short of 168 St (the northern  terminal). If I went to school there, it would take me 50 minutes to get there. 

Byford probably chose Transit Tech because it was MTA-related. 

Too far? Oh please I went from Bedford Park to Euclid daily think was late once when i attended TT in 2009/10 not bad of a commute because its one transfer and my buddy was coming from Gun Hill area on the 5 line. 

1 hour ago, djtoro7 said:

DJ Hammers, Fan Railer and Tech & Transit are the most reliable sources as far as I know 

Just because they're reliable doesn't make them right all the time. As we know nothing is set in stone than death and taxes. And thats nothing against them but just because one may say something doesnt mean its 100% accurate or will happen. 

4 hours ago, EphraimB said:

According to an  employee, the R179s are NOT coming to the . All the 5-car R179s are going to the  to replace it's remaining R46s. The R32s and R46s are shared between the  and  to help with crowding on the . The  is NOT going to 10-cars.

And to this I always thought the order of 5 csr sets should goto Jamaica to make QBL near or 100% NTT for potential CBTC meaning the 46s would be bumped to Pitkin and or CI in exchange for 160s/179 but we will see. The logic is keeping yards uniformed with one car type or two instead of having oddballs here and there for maintenance purposes.

Jessica E is still the GOAT imo, very clear however aggressive when announcing certain stops such as Fulton St (LEX), and Pelham Pkway-WPR stop. The announcements get to the point without being too quick or dragged out whereas Cathering Cowdry seems a bit slower paced then a pause.

I just got home from working about 15 minutes ago which would be 0650 hours and a friend of mines friend works at Bombardier in CNY & Upstate NY, to keep a short story short and my friend isn't a buff at all but said the "NYCT order for new trains was modified." Can anyone confirm this? This conversation took place last evening before I started my shift at 2200.

On 12/21/2017 at 11:08 PM, Bosco said:

They will never be able to couple two different classes of NTTs together, primarily because of electrical incompatibilities and secondarily because of propulsion differences.  The only time that two distinctly different NTT car classes was a test run of R142s and R142As, which didn't go very well.
 

Not true, its possible just rare or uncommon. There have been R-160A-2's and R-160B Siemens coupled inservice recently(meaning aside from testing years back). I mean yes it is the same class but different builders as you stated the 142/A.

Actually the R142A and 188 are completely different classes albeit being very similar.

I'm just curious, is the "announcement lag" an issue involving the train set from properly operating in a timely manner? or are you guys/gals(buffs) making a deal out of it because it doesn't meet your needs for loading/unloading time?

If its the second option just chill, we've all taken the subway during rush hour and some stations the doors stay open longer than usual for reasons of crowds, train connections, someone holding doors, or a train being held etc, but it seems as if this delay is accounting for an additional 5-15 seconds( being generous) per station please correct me if I'm wrong shouldn't be an issue. As for as the announcement lag the situation can be adjusted by the C/R making announcements the old fashioned way until the "delay" is handled.

Glad to see these subway cars in service, however some of you are going nuts over things that will eventually be handled in a timely manner. Not sure if some of you read or can read but go back in history to the R-46's when they were constantly being pulled from service several times a week for cracks in their trucks a design flaw by Pullman during the first few years of service, obviously they aren't plagued with that issue anymore but look where the 46's are now 43 years later. 

The recent issue with the door chime and announcement delay issue, if you ride the R-142 or R-142A's sometimes the door chime goes off without the doors moving I've seen it for the past 16 years of riding those trains on the  and  . Another sometimes the announcement plays before the doors open(in a certain section of the train), or vice versa the announcements continue to play while the doors are open because they havent finished yet(ie. 59th St). 

Every subway car has their issue,iirc the R-143's had a very successful test and just a few years ago weren't some units moving a few inches while doors were opened in the station. Just need to chill they'll be fine and around into the next part of the century.

Those 10 car R179's won't be enough to make Jamaica 100% NTT unless I'm assuming you mean CI gives up their R160's to Jamaica? And if that were to happen what are you going to do with the excess amount of R46's? Put them on the C?

Figured that, those excess amounts could be used on the or be used as spare sets. I would say less 46's on the road would be fine once the is fully NTT in a few years I mean shit the 46's are over 40 lol

I know this may be off topic but I can't get my head wrapped around on why the "needs" or will be assigned the odd ball amount of R-179's. Yeah I know there are odd balls on the already a Hippo or two and the workhorse but why not Jamaica get the few cars thus making that yard exclusively NTT and that would move the R46's that pop on the every now and then or the few on the making Pitkin entirely R-46's.

So what I'm trying to say is:

207th 100% R-179 eventually

Pitkin 100% R-46 (currently is 95% 46's with the odd Hippo or two + a 32).

Jamaica 100% NTT?

I know nothing is set in stone and subject to change as we know from past experiences and situations but it would be more uniformed having one fleet of R types to maintain rather than a few.

Yeah they were gonna have those cars out this weekend to do the EMI testing, but that is canceled from what I heard. Bombardier isn't ready yet.

 

So no R179 test this weekend, sorry guys. You'll have to do something else on ur saturdays!

 

 

Also the TSS that usually has that train told me last week that he's being stalked by buffs. Told me one guy in particular has really been following his train around since october, crazy man. give him a break! Lmao

Thanks for the update, it's unfortunate that delays/pushbacks/setbacks whatever people call them isn't surprising.

Second part is pretty sad, i can't imagine having work and school and the amount of time to stalk the 179's which aren't in revenue service and once they hit they'll be present probably till 2060. Then again I know some don't have anything better to do during the wee hours or weekends.

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or here

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I believe his point was to say that wikipedia CAN/MAY be unreliable since it can be edited by ANYONE. Therefore it may not always be the best place to find information.

So, with last weekend's Jerome Ave shutdown, they really should've run the same service pattern they did the last time this service change came up: 24/7 train service to Utica/New Lots Av. The amount of phantom trains on White Plains Rd this weekend, despite GO signs stating there wasn't any service at all last weekend. I'm aware of why those trains were running as trains, but if there is no way for the trains to display the correct route, either the signs need to be turned off or the GO needs to reflect the availability of the route and destination in the AAS. On another note, this route should've been labelled as a since the route from E 180 Street to Utica Av has much more in common with the than it does with the . Passenger confusion is a thing and can really hold up service when everyone thinks the train is going to Woodlawn since it's labelled as a .

I agree I've never seen a GO like this that was stupid. And the crazy thing is the has had a complete shutdown before IIRC in the recent years therefor the plan should had been service 24/7.

Court Sq to Coney Island. Jamaica-179 St to 34 St-Hearld Sq and 2 AV to York Street. Broadway Junction to Lefferts or Far Rockaway. Service suspended Jamaica Center to Lexington Av or 57 St or 21 St Queensbridge or 34 St Hearld Sq in Manhattan. Suspended 205 St to 34 St Hearld Sq. PATH Temporary cross honor, shuttle bus run btw Atlantic AV and Broadway Junction and between Bergen St to High/York St, and between 14 St Union SQ and 2 Av

How is this possible when there is an outage along CPW?

Next:

 

Due to recent hate crime against transit yards (whatever) both the Pitkin and 207th Yards have been burnt down, along with most of the rolling stock inside.

 

How do you route trains to cover and service? The is not affected.

The would run between 207th St & Coney Island via West End via 8th Av local. I mean technically there would be no service indefinitely is equipment are destroyed.

The would run between 205th St & Far Rockaway/Lefferts Blvd.