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9085 LG to EC scrap

Yes I think there could be a couple more improvements, and I will be bringing that up soon. One of which is weekend service. after a couple weeks of evaluation I will complete my assessment and then give the rest of my opinion.

Rush is 4-7 minutes and off peak is 8-12 minutes. It's not a total mess at all. It's going a lot more smooth than some other introductions. However one major issue is the fact that none of the buses were showing up on BusTime, and the schedule was not available in a timely fashion. I also think there could have been more timepoints on the schedule, but then again most people don't use it anymore. I know if I'm checking schedule there's a slim chance it will one of MTA's printed PDF ones.

The roster has been completely updated. I meant to post about it last night and I totally forgot. So please reference that before you post today. In addition, todays changes are as follows: 7525-7528 all on property awaiting system registration. 7521, 7523 to GA 1101, 1105 to JG 1046 to WF 112 to OH 5291, 5874 MQ to OH 5293, 5295 MQ to OF 3928, 3929, 3932 OF to OH 5922 OF to MQ http://www.ttmg.org/transitwiki/Insider's_Guide:_Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority_Bus_Operations_-_Depot_Summary Delivery now pending for immediate audit and delivery. There will be no pilot buses. 5441, and 5443 will be the configuration audit buses for the options. 6126 has returned to New Flyer. Delivery will commence soon following any modifications that MTA may have required. 8504 has gone back to Nova. MV and QV are now pending delivery unless the initial assignments change. The BAE hybrids (9505-9509) are not moving along as smooth as they should be. The last Allison hybrid (9504) is now pending delivery to Grand Av. The newest XD40 assignments are pending and may finally be available this week.

I missed this somehow, so I will quote it here. 5204 ran last Wednesday on the Q58. Disposition pending. 5205 has been retired. Pending Notice to Proceed as we speak. Because of the timeline for this option order, no pilot buses were required and the delivery is set to begin immediately. 5441, and 5443 are the audit/configuration buses being used for the option order as well.

They are all there and the new assignment is 48 for FB, and I am being told MQ will be reduced by 1 and get 42. FB has actually had 7650 for almost 2 weeks. For some reason it didn't show up on BusTime, and only on the internal roster. They have all their units now, and so does ENY. The remainder will be local buses. I have them as out for maintenance rotation so they should have sad ZA back to KB. Thank you. He's talking about the TTMG one, which is the official roster of NYCTF. It will be updated in Short order. I really like that roster, but I'm not sure if it’s updated directly from the MTA internal roster like the other one is. I noticed a couple minor errors. Nothing major though (just tech stuff), so I would definitely use that as a resource as well.

Correction. They do have enough. The remaining buses on EN's delivery list are for local service from what I am being told. It only went to the vender to get 7650, which was actually 2 weeks ago now.

They are actually customer feedback sessions, and each borough has their own. This was Brooklyn only, followed by Queens and Manhattan next month. They review the Fast Forward plan, then the rest of the evening was addressing questions and concerns of citizens. No. Unfortunately the New Flyers have run right up on the numbers of the Orion CNG's, so MTA decided to circle back to the other orders, when they should have just started renumbering buses. I will be posting the revised preliminary XD40 assignments within the hour. The schedule should be available tomorrow evening.

We have quite a few transfers with more pending. A large chunk of NG’s have been transferred to Zerega, then will go to other depots when they are complete. MTA’s plan is to get as much work done as they can on the weekends to keep buses in service as much as possible. If any moves were mentioned, please disregard. GH to KB via ZA - 4091, 4106, 4121, 4133, 4134, 4339, 4340, 4343, 4344, 4406, 4413, 4416, 4454 101, 4133, 4121 GH to KB 102, 5558, 5568, 5602, 5757 Retired out of GH, pending scrap. 5576, 5577, 5605, 5632 KB to GH 5893 OH to MQ 7518 NFI to FP No, it was on the Bx6. What you likely saw was 1081. Please, do NOT make general comments on the posts in this thread. Please move it to Fleet and Depots if you want to discuss it further. After today, I will no longer be moving posts from thread to thread. They will just be deleted. I’ve been asking you all this week after week for about a year now and you guys aren’t getting the hint. Please be conscious of what you all are posting in this thread. There has been way too much clutter, and it’s too hard for everyone to keep track of the moves and transfers. You all can quote a post from one thread, and actually post it in another at anytime. P Again, please start using this feature to continue discussion in Fleet & Depots.

JG now has 38 XN60's and will soon begin to rotate some back out to the Bronx. Included is the revised assignment and the fleet as it stands: Current: JG 1025, 1026, 1030-1037, 1073-1100 WF 1001-1015, 1021-1024, 1027-1029, 1038-1045, 1047, 1048, 1072 Assignment: 1000-1071 WF 1072-1109 JG

Not only was it to provide easier access which was really an after thought, but it was mainly to have a place for buses to dwell other than the street. Especially since the B6 and the B82 were added to the mix.

What's different tho? Neither of them are operating in SBS service so technically there is no reason to have SBS buses on a local route unless its an interline or a "put-in." In a way this could also be quite confusing for people who don't pay attention to destination signs (you would be surprised how many people don't). If they have then run on weekends, people could start thinking SBS runs on weekends True, not only does it keep the mileage down, but when they begin to rotate the buses out for higher mileage buses it will work out better in the long run, and overall the fleet will have the lowest mileage (by average) of any bus type.

Fellas. Please move these side conversations to Fleet and Dpeots. This is not a general discussion thread. It is for moves and transfers only.

I agree, and even to the extent of the new XD40’s coming in now. Bare minimum with 20. As of now I have 7500-7519 going there. Subject to change at any moment of course.

Sure they could, but why? It's not really silly at all. They aren't local buses. By that logic we may as well use them overnight on routes like the B44, B46, and every other SBS route that doesn't operate 24 hour service.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/brt/downloads/pdf/brt-south-brooklyn-b82-mar2018.pdf No. Same as the existing LTD service. Very true. EN will run these when needed on Subway Shuttles only. Naw, these are for SBS and shuttle service only. The only fixed-routes that see them are interlines.

Double Deckers will be restricted to Express operations only for the time being. Remember MTA changed a few specs, which include the rear doors. I do however think Grand actually has 2 lemons on their hands. 0020, and 9502. Those 2 can't seem to ever make service, or stay in service. Dude..... This is how rumors get started..... Some routes don't need to be redesigned at all. They just need their time structure, headways, transfer time points, and frequencies redesigned.

Thing is, this isn't really needed at this point. Not a bad plan at all, however with the new buses coming in it doesn't really matter. Castleton and Charleston are the only 2 SI depots that maintain MCI's at this point, so the parts stock are restricted to those 2 for the most part now. There's really no need to consolidate, and it would actually cause the fleet to be a bit unbalanced in terms of mileage. They are where they are now for those reasons actually. When the new buses come in, QV will swap some buses again because on what you mentioned above. It gets a bit weird when it comes to express buses and they don't really follow the same "consolidation plan" that the local fleet is transitioning to. In a way, it looks to be quite the opposite in the future as some of the Prevost Express buses could head to bus company. The buses that travel beyond the borders are still city buses only. They aren't operating regular service anywhere outside of New York City. Only providing service to and from the city. There has always been talk of MTA taking over some of the other agencies simply because MTA is State Controlled. However, it's not likely to ever happen after the LI Bus/Nice situation. MTA will likely just maintain it's leasing agreements with Westchester and Nassau Counties for fare collection services. When the new fare system is introduced, Bee and NICE will have no choice but to upgrade theirs as well. The totals have already been decided and the actual units and deliver have changed yet again. Be patient. Right. They are not even bothering to change them anymore. The only depot that seems to be concerned about it is LaGuardia, and they need to be concerned about maintenance and making service. Not some damn titles. I'm so over that depot right now....... Transit used to be real anal about titles, and they finally started seeing my point. No one cares except some union members and die-hard employees. 90% of the riders don't even know the difference. I haven't seen one RTS bus here in Brooklyn back from LG, and EC that they have changed back to NYC Bus. Hell, ENY even has 2 4800's that say MTA Bus just to prove a point that they should all say the same thing. It's a waste of time, money, resources and man hours to change some titles when legally there is absolutely nothing wrong with having NYC bus on all of them. Historically, MTA's priorities have been in all the wrong places and I continue to work every day to change that.

It's no longer a regional bus system now that they no longer have LI Bus. Public's branding across the board is New York City Bus now. The only difference is the titles on the buses. However for official purposed allnaperations are classified NYC Bus. Not Regional Bus. Therefore I think all buses should wear NYC Bus titles. If our buses traveled outside of the city or we still had LIB, then I would say just leave it plain MTA. But all MTA buses are NYC only now. I don't really think that matters. To the public, current branding, and when you call 511 it's all NYC Bus which is the new branding anyway. No matter if it's TA, OA, or BC, it's all NYC Bus. May as well put NYC bus on all the buses. That's how it's always been and I think that small insignificant part of our history should remain. Of nearly 6000 buses, less than 5% have pealing titles and that doesn't really matter seeing as buses are repainted every few years anyway. I think all agency vehicles should remain as MTA NYC Subway, NYC Bus, LIRR, MTNR, B&T. I think just plain old MTA is boring, and apparently so do my colleagues at ENY. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Just my opinion, but I did advocate for it to remain and eventually replace MTA Bus titles as well. By then when the new fareboxes and radios arrive any bus can be loaned to any Depot because they will all have the same system with the same programming for the first time. All destination sign codes are said to be merged together as well.

It's not a Staten Island thing. It's a MTA thing. We have a thing called a Leader/Follower system. A lot of people thing when 2 buses arrive at the same time it is because they are bunched. However more times than not this is not the case. As one bus leaves a terminal, another is scheduled directly in front or behind it. This is done on every MTA local route that has high ridership. Say the schedule says bus is due 5:02, and 2 buses come. The next scheduled bus may be at 5:09, and one of the 2 buses you just saw is not on a public schedule. On local routes with standard 40 foot buses, they can get packed to a standing load sometimes at the first stop. So with this system the leader and follower chase each other down the line easing the load off the other. So more than one bus may be scheduled internally, but show up as one on the schedule because it's guaranteed that one will be to capacity. Now that the B35 has gone articulated for example, a follower typically leaves a few minutes later now. This is used at rush hour for most routes, and other times during the day and evenings for heavy routes like the B6 and others. You all ever notice how the operators blow the horn (usually 2 short beep beeps) when passing the other? This is a signal that either the leader or follower is passing. It's also a safely alert that a bus is passing.

If you all want to make general comments on the fleet, please do so in the Fleet & Depots thread. This thread is reserved solely for moves and transfers. Not discussion about them. This is how moves or other important transfer information get buried and we all miss things that were already mentioned.

Again, all the assignments have been changed. The only thing confirmed is the new totals being allotted to which depots. Now I am just waiting on @The Real to confirm the new ones. I also have a few other updates that I will post once I have consulted with him, and my other sources about moves, transfers, pending deliveries, the accelerated LFS delivery. He will post the actual assignments when then are available.

The B82 Detour is as follows Effective now until completion: Stillwell Avenue Bound Only - via Cropsy, Left on Neptune, Right on Stillwell, Left into Stillwell Terminal. Canarsie routing is pending.

Lol. That's true. Maybe you should contact Clever and tell them they need to invent a system that knows when the bus is turning vs. merging. The "Please Move Away From The Doors" absolutely needs to stay. Too many people throughout history have activated the rear door interlock by pushing or leaning on the rear door. Once that interlock is thrown Personally I love that, and here in Brooklyn of someone stands in the rear door and that warning continues, people will yell at them. Since that system has been put in place the only known interlock issues have happened with older buses. From and operational standpoint, and being a mechanic I would rather have that. I have told countless people over the years not to stand in the rear stepwell of RTS and Orion buses. The wheelchair lifts on those buses could engage the interlock as well The rear interlock was engaged on my RTS and it's an issue I have to deal with now. The bus won't move unless I put it in bypass. The average MTA operator does not know how to bypass, and even if they did it's not safe, not good for the health of the bus, and probably wouldn't be allowed anyway. I still see people start pushing on the doors before the bus stops to this day. Thank God Vapor makes some really good doors or door assemblies and it's never been a major issue or happened often. All of our buses have them by the way. Old and new.

See comment below. That's the College Shuttle. I don't think I've ever been on it when it wasn't packed lol. Great idea. I'm on it. They are always on, just Out Of Service outside of SBS hours. There are only 2 SBS routes that have 24 hour service. so all the others are turned off when the buses aren't running. Unfortunately doesn't work like that. There is no sensor that tells the bus how many people are on it. So it actually doesn't make sense to have an option where it can be turned off. The MTA wants to remind everyone to exit through the rear. If this was an option operators would forget to turn it back on or leave it off all together. Same with "Bus Is Turning." The system is activated when the turn signals are activated. There is no way to separate that and even if there was I'm sure MTA won't spend the money on that type of technology.