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R32 3838

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  1. heres  my prediction

     

    Base Order 440 cars:

    220 cars to Pitkin for (A) service

    220 cars to Jamaica for (E)(F)(R) service, pushes R160's back to Coney island to retire R46's

    R211T 20 cars: 10 assigned to pitkin for (A) service, 10 assigned to Jamaica for  (E)(F) service

    Option Order 1 640 cars :

    200 cars to Coney Island for (Q) service, Direct replacements of the remaining R46's

    240 cars to pitkin to finish off the R46's

    200 cars to Jamaica to displace more R160's to Back to Coney Island

    Option Order 2 up to 437 cars :

    300 Cars to Concourse (D) to bump out the R68's to Coney island

    100 cars to Jamaica

    36-40 cars to ENY in 8 car sets for (J)(Z)(L) service ( Mainly for (L) service)

     

    so in total

     

    Pikin gets 460 R211's + the 10 open gangway cars

    Jamaica gets 520 cars + the 10 Open Gangway cars

    coney island gets 200 cars

    Concourse gets 300 cars

    ENY gets 36-40 cars for fleet expansion

    this totals up to 1537-1540 cars for NYCT

     

     

     

     

     

     


  2. The R211's are mainly for the (A)(C)(E)(F)(R) and (Q) lines

     

    there's no need for these cars to be on the (N) and (W)

    if they go with the open gangway these cars will dominate Queens since it has the highest ridership

     

    This order should be strictly for the Pitkin and Jamaica

     

    if anything give concourse 140 cars since out of all the lines, the (D) hasn't gotten anything new plus the (D) is a high ridership route.

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  3. 1 minute ago, VIP said:

    East New York can use the Surplus R143’s for (J) service. The yard has more than enough spares, especially when the L project is complete. East New York only really needed 6 sets of trains to replace the R42’s. They got 6 surplus with the R179 order. 

    if they loose all those R179's they'll loose their surplus

     

    Just now, VIP said:

    The R179’s are not the R44’s replacement. The R32’s were. 

    if you look at it they are, ta was short 13 trains. the (M) bridged that gap until 2nd ave opened and when the (W) returned.

    the R143's were the GE R30's replacements

    If the R32's retire in march, the R211's would still be their replacement, just a year later vs a direct replacement.

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  4. 5 hours ago, GojiMet86 said:

     

    Could that have been what drove Andy to quit? That seems like such a big turnaround, considering the MTA was thinking, for years now, of keeping 110 or whatever it was R32s still in service. And it would make sense, considering the recent R179 fiasco, that maybe Andy was just fed up.

     

    its rumored the stupid governor has alot to do with pushing to get rid of these cars. I also Blame the (MTA) for not being transparent by saying that the R179's are only replacing 130-150 cars and the rest are for fleet expansion. instead of trying to save face by flat out saying the R179's would replace all 272 60 foot smee's. its obvious that these R179's (Mainly the 10 car ones) are the R44 replacements. the option order 2 R160's only replaced a small chunk of R44's. the R179's finished the job.

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  5. 3 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

    That wouldn’t make sense because the (C) still needs to use some of the R32s to make service. Even before the R179s were all taken out of service, about half of the (C) was R32s. 

    they can Make the (C) all R179's but ENY would take a hit. 207th would have to grab all of the 8 car R179's due to how unreliable the cars are meaning it would need a high spare factor. meaning ENY would have no spares. The R32's would have to go back to ENY in that case and take the role of the R42's just to make service. the 72 other cars could be for the (A) with 3-4 sets running on the (A) with the rest being spares.

    they're supposed to phase out 80 R32's and keep 142 cars.


  6. 2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

    The MTA is not clear in regards to how many r32's will retire with the r42's. I guess it will depend on ENY. 

    Prior to the r179's being pulled out of service, the C was only using about 40% of the remaining r32's.

    In the event, all r32's are retired by March 2020, then the initial order of r211's would replace the r44's and r46's, while the option orders would replace any remaining r46's plus some, if not all r68's, which has the same age as the r62s, which will be replaced by the r262's, whereas the MTA didn't mention any specific car order for the r68's.

     

    If in any case if they do, ENY would loose 72-80 R179's. They might loose all of them. If they need cars, they'll just have 40-50 R32's on standby to make service.


  7. 2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

    The MTA is not clear in regards to how many r32's will retire with the r42's. I guess it will depend on ENY. 

    Prior to the r179's being pulled out of service, the C was only using about 40% of the remaining r32's.

    In the event, all r32's are retired by March 2020, then the initial order of r211's would replace the r44's and r46's, while the option orders would replace any remaining r46's plus some, if not all r68's, which has the same age as the r62s, which will be replaced by the r262's, whereas the MTA didn't mention any specific car order for the r68's.

     

    The R179's are basically the R44 replacements, while the R211's are the remaining R32, SIR R44 and R46 replacement. Remember nothing really replaced half of the remaing R44 fleet until the R179's showed up later on.


  8. Base order cars could be

    3941-4380.

    3941-5000 is open (R42's would be gone by then) 

    5201-5480 is also open as well.

     

    Numbering based by base/option order could go by this:

    Base order R211A: 3941-4380 (440 cars)

    Option order 1: 4381-5000, 5201-5220 (640 cars)

    Option Order 2: 5221-5657 or 3348-3785 (437 cars)

    Open gangway cars R211T's could also be 3328-3347

     

    I don't know if the R211S numbering would still be 3 digit or 4 digit.

     

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  9. 3 hours ago, Amtrak706 said:

    So it’s no longer worth preserving more pairs of R32s in the transit museum because they don’t have ceiling fans and because the doors aren’t blue anymore?? I’m sorry but that’s a stupid reason. Any car that survives 55+ years in revenue service is worth special treatment in preservation IMO, so I maintain that it would be worth preserving another pair or two to represent the prolonged-life fleet. I doubt they’ll do that, but that’s because of lack of space/funds etc., not because someone thinks they “lost their color” and “aren’t interesting.”

    I really hope they preserve 4 phase I cars. It would be smart to do that. 

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  10. 4 hours ago, VIP said:

    You don’t know that, in fact no one knows that for certain. If the issues aren’t resolved then the cars may be indefinitely removed from service. 

    From what I heard, they're keeping the R42's and all the R32's. After the bullshit with the R179's they aren't taking any chances.

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  11. 4 hours ago, m2fwannabe said:

    Nice list, but my understanding is the two work R-32 pairs (3494/95 and 3642/43) were part of a Movie Shoot, not passenger service.  Those 10 cars have been deprived of revenue service since 2010 and ONLY used on Work assignments.  The others are 3510/11, 3552/53, 3694/95.  They're a huge mess inside anyway like many work cars.  Don't expect anything like that to see anywhere soon.

    Neither of these cars were used in passenger revenue service either (A) or (C) on January 8.

    While on the topic, was anyone ever to find if 3370/71 actually still existed?

    3370/71 went to scrap in 2013


  12. 40 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

    I've been hearing through the grapevine that RCC has been getting calls all day about railfans on the R42s....

    I hope none of you guys here did anything stupid.

    It's probably the crew reporting railfans for taking photos and videos

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  13. 27 minutes ago, Shore El Express said:

    With the R42s back on the J/Z lines temporarily due to the door problems, does anybody have any idea what time they are running out of broad st in the PM tomorrow? Going to try to catch one myself because I missed the retirement

    Just be on the J line, they're guaranteed to run, 1 set ran all day

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  14. 6 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

    Best as I can understand the 16 R-32s removed from the fleet last week have and will not be put back in service.

    Stripping work had already began on Monday.

    3454/55 was in the line to go on the chop shop too but was inn another track then returned to Inspection and the yard then was still available.

    That would get the Brightliner fleet back up to 204.  Probably all there will be but will watch.

    So, it would seem doubt there will be any MORE R-32s retired anytime soon, Mhhhh?!?!?

     

     

    I doubt they started to strip cars, the (C) was 100% R32's and the (A) had 2-3 R32's plus there was an R32 movie train at Chambers st on the (J)

     

     

    Also swap related, the 6 R42's that were at 207th, to ENY.

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  15. The R32 incident is different, she was leaning on the door or the c/r opened the door too fast.

     

    Her tweet just happened to show up at the same time as ta decided to take the whole R179 fleet oos.

     

    Here's a quote from Greg mocker 

     

    It’s the latest and biggest problem for the newest subway cars. 

    NYC Transit has removed the R179 cars from service.

    In separate statements, both the MTA and Bombardier said 2 doors on cars in the R179 fleet recently failed to function as intended. 

    NYCT Transit President Andy Byford says the manufacturer, Bombardier Transportation, notified the agency Tuesday night about its analysis of a recent issue 

    Transit says all passengers were safe but the incident raises questions about the reliability of a door mechanism. 

    “Out of an abundance of caution, NYCT removed all R179 train cars from service overnight for thorough inspection and re-deployed other spare cars to continue service for this morning’s rush and ensure minimal impacts to customers. I commend the hardworking men and women of New York City Transit for their efforts last evening,” Byford said. 

    All lines were to be operating at normal service levels with the exception of the J/Z line, where headways have been increased by two minutes in between trains for the AM peak period, and skip-stop service suspended.

    NYCT has brought on LTK Engineering Services for an independent third-party review of inspections of the cars.

    “As documented, the MTA has identified repeated issues with Bombardier’s performance and finds this latest development unacceptable. We intend to hold the company fully accountable,” Byford added. 

    A spokesperson for Bombardier says the investigation shows that the doors were not properly calibrated by Kangni, the door operator supplier.

    “We are now inspecting all of the R179 cars and, where necessary, making adjustments to ensure the safe and reliable performance of the doors for the entire fleet,” said Bombardier spokesperson Maryanne Roberts. 

    The company says it has brought in additional technicians who are working around the clock to inspect, calibrate and test the door systems.

    “We value our partnership with New York City Transit and are fully committed to providing high quality, reliable, safe rail cars for the millions of people who ride New York’s subway system every day. We will continue to work closely with our customer to make sure that the R179 cars are the best performing cars in New York’s fleet,” Roberts said.

    The delivery and roll out of the cars has faced problems and delays. 

    “Bombardier sold us lemons. Straphangers need the MTA to manage these contracts from the beginning — before the trains go off the rails,” said NYC Comptroller Scott Stringer. 

    The comptroller issued an audit of the $600-million contract last month criticizing the production and project management.  

    The MTA has worked to monitor the contract and hold Bombardier accountable. 

    The agency and company are still determining the timeline for complete repairs.

     

    Again 2 separate incidents, the woman's tweet wasn't a hoax.

     

    Bombardier contacted MTA about the issue, and MTA took the whole fleet oos. And various sources will back this up.

     

     


  16. It was an R179

     

    Quote from Greg mocker

     

    It’s the latest and biggest problem for the newest subway cars. 

    NYC Transit has removed the R179 cars from service.

    In separate statements, both the MTA and Bombardier said 2 doors on cars in the R179 fleet recently failed to function as intended. 

    NYCT Transit President Andy Byford says the manufacturer, Bombardier Transportation, notified the agency Tuesday night about its analysis of a recent issue 

    Transit says all passengers were safe but the incident raises questions about the reliability of a door mechanism. 

    “Out of an abundance of caution, NYCT removed all R179 train cars from service overnight for thorough inspection and re-deployed other spare cars to continue service for this morning’s rush and ensure minimal impacts to customers. I commend the hardworking men and women of New York City Transit for their efforts last evening,” Byford said. 

    All lines were to be operating at normal service levels with the exception of the J/Z line, where headways have been increased by two minutes in between trains for the AM peak period, and skip-stop service suspended.

    NYCT has brought on LTK Engineering Services for an independent third-party review of inspections of the cars.

    “As documented, the MTA has identified repeated issues with Bombardier’s performance and finds this latest development unacceptable. We intend to hold the company fully accountable,” Byford added. 

    A spokesperson for Bombardier says the investigation shows that the doors were not properly calibrated by Kangni, the door operator supplier.

    “We are now inspecting all of the R179 cars and, where necessary, making adjustments to ensure the safe and reliable performance of the doors for the entire fleet,” said Bombardier spokesperson Maryanne Roberts. 

    The company says it has brought in additional technicians who are working around the clock to inspect, calibrate and test the door systems.

    “We value our partnership with New York City Transit and are fully committed to providing high quality, reliable, safe rail cars for the millions of people who ride New York’s subway system every day. We will continue to work closely with our customer to make sure that the R179 cars are the best performing cars in New York’s fleet,” Roberts said.

    The delivery and roll out of the cars has faced problems and delays. 

    “Bombardier sold us lemons. Straphangers need the MTA to manage these contracts from the beginning — before the trains go off the rails,” said NYC Comptroller Scott Stringer. 

    The comptroller issued an audit of the $600-million contract last month criticizing the production and project management.  

    The MTA has worked to monitor the contract and hold Bombardier accountable. 

    The agency and company are still determining the timeline for complete repairs.

     

     

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