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20 minutes ago, Metro CSW said:

Also 4200 has reached the Lincoln Plant. Might be here by February. Neat.

I would say december

There is a picture of 4175-4179 outside the Kawasaki plan next to an M8, That should be getting delivered within 2 weeks to a month from now.

9 hours ago, JSLR7 said:

A simpler solution which I haven't seen brought up is to make the local and the express in Queens while keeping those two trains on 63rd and 53rd respectively. Yes, Queens would loose an express train on weekends, but so do other lines on the system (Broadway, Sixth Ave, Eastern Parkway), and the express trains on those lines don't seem to be overcrowded on weekends.

making the express would be worse because it's 8 cars. Do you guys even think. Why make the one of the busiest lines in Queens Local during the weekday knowing the ridership is very high on the . The express from forest hills would delay the damn since it has to cross in front of it and when it terminates, they have to clear out the train thus backing up service.

This deinterling shit really makes you guys lack common sense. The best railways in the world merge and still be on time.

Some parts of the system should be de-interlined but not everything the way y'all want it.

The going via 53rd and the going via 63rd make sense but there are also drawbacks to that.

This is why the should invest in high speed switches and modify some crossovers in order to have trains merge to other tracks at higher speeds.

All of these issues were to be expected, covid screwed up a lot of things so there were going to be QC issues from the jump. thankfully it's not that bad but to expect these trains to be 100% perfect, you must be delusional.

3 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

the had ridership to 96th over the weekends because the  was out.....

Even with the running it would still have the ridership. Y'all always try to downplay shit only for it to blow up in your faces. That Portion between 96th st and 34th st herald sq had decent ridership and this is when ridership wasn't even at pre pandemic levels. I know because i took it every weekend while working on the UES and people were taking the train. Having the run to midtown on weekends and nights would help not only riders but 6th ave riders as well.

riders didn't take the all the way up to 96th and 2nd ave. So your point is moot.

If they were to swap the and permanently  , The can run to 21st queens bridge on nights and weekends giving riders 24/7 access to midtown which is needed. The to Essex is a waste and when the was running on 6th ave on weekends to 96th st, The ridership was high so the demand is there.

You don't need thru service from queens blvd and 63rd st during the late nights and weekends and they can at least give a free out of system transfer between queens plaza and Queensbridge or take the Q66 and Q69 buses to queen bridge. Then once the GOs and everything is done on queens blvd then they can bring the to forest hills.

All they have to do is fix the issues with dwell times and other issues and the and can run via 53rd without issue. They use the same equipment so it's not like in the 90s where the had nothing but R46s and the was all R32s which created dwell time due to the R46s having 32 doors vs 40 on an R32.

CBTC on paper is supposed to fix these issues but we all know that isn't the case at this moment.

No wonder why i didn't see any R211s in service. I was wondering why i didn't see any, Oh well. I hope they get the issues resolved.

On 10/12/2023 at 10:42 PM, Calvin said:

The fleet assignment at Pitkin Yard is switched but only a little: the R179s are moved over in-use to the Rockaway Park Shuttle (2 10-car sets) but the  uses 11 total (that's in-service and for spares). The R46s are placed on the Fulton St line for now. 

The uses about 9-10 sets now. The Rockaway shuttle uses 3 sets of R179s now so there's 3 5 car units as spares now (a trainset and a half).

5 minutes ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Yeah, hopefully they can sort all of this out soon enough.

 

Sidenote: your response to that poster was removed from the R211 thread, and I'm sure you already know why. Just giving you a heads up to be mindful of what you say here. Besides that, I did agree with your post.

Yeah, i got carried away. I just get tired of people who don't live here anymore telling me and others how things should get done when they don't see what's going on currently. It's a big insult to the people who want to see better service, esp if is trying to extort more money out of people who drive know that they aren't ready.

It's frustrating when you commute and deal with the BS. It's a lot different from when people fan the system.

1 hour ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Moving this discussion over from the R211 thread.

When is the last time you lived in NYC?

Regardless of how long you lived here, the point is that you don't live here now. Things change over time.

Are you familiar with gentrification? That is what has happened/ is happening to many neighborhoods throughout this city, including the ones that the G train runs through.

That line may not have warranted longer trains before, but it likely does warrant longer trains now and certainly will warrant them in the future.

They don't understand that these lines increased in ridership overtime. Covid hit and created a big mess that we still in (crew availability) but ridership has grown back to what it is pre pandemic. People who don't even live here no more kept swearing up and down that ridership would never get back to pre covid levels and that everyone will be still doing remote work. 

Then you have the pushing for congestion pricing when they aren't even ready due to lack of equipment and crew availability. 

2024-2025 is going to be brutal.

3 hours ago, slantfan4281 said:

I think it's more likely the  will be 8 cars. Assuming the MTA still wants to go through with making the  full length, there will be a ton of 4 car R179s that need to go somewhere. I'm going to guess they'll send them to ENY in exchange for some 4 car R160s to Jamaica for the . When the 4 car R211s arrive they can be used to expand service. 

Again, Giving Jamaica 8 car R160's would create a bigger headache and would cost more money in the long term due to the fact it's a restricted fleet for one line. The yard barely have space as it is, Now you adding 8 car units to the mix. having it 10 cars would allow them to share cars with the and like it does now with it being 5 cars.

This would reduce spare factor and require less cars, If Jamaica gets R211s, this would make it even better when it comes to spare factor.

If the returned to Coney Island, That's a different story. They can handle an extra fleet since the yard is bigger and could store more trains. 

9 hours ago, NBTA said:

What in the blue hell has been going on in these last 5 or so pages? Thought I was reading a reddit discussion about who should be the next WWE champion with all the fighting going on..anyways

Rode the 211 on Saturday and it felt smooth. Believe it was a 4100 set too, nice to see these cars doing good in a city like this. 

We definitely need the option sets, I see subway ridership rising between now and the last set coming in. As for the  becoming full length, I agree too, it should be 10 cars, but it’ll probably come with a service reduction. Those trains are packed and sometimes you have to go to Court Square to even get a spot on the train. I don’t wanna speculate car assignments but, hopefully everything is more uniformed instead of random.

Wouldn't have to be a service reduction, it could run the same as now.

Back on topic, I think the R211T's should enter passenger service within the next 2 weeks.

24 minutes ago, MJHmarc said:

Just keep this in mind people…the MTA President has already announced there will be no changes to service after the manhattan congestion pricing starts. He went on a late morning tv new program and said there’s plenty off room in the system for more people with additional service than what’s running now. 

he'll change his tune once the trains are packed and people start going apeshit. and that is complete bullshit because ridership is at peak pre pandemic levels now and since NYC like to spread it's asscheeks, you have over 100,000 migrants and counting here whom will also use the subway system thus adding to the already increased ridership. He's just damage controling because is about to see a drop in employees since a large chunk will retire in 2024-2025.

Option order II is supposed to fix all the issues and also expand the fleet so eventually you'll see extra service unless they kill off some R68s which i doubt they'll do.

2 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

Congestion pricing does 👎 effect the  since the  does not go thru Manhattan. And the  isn’t always packed like sardines like it’s Manhattan counterparts are, unless you sent the  to 71 or 179, which none of that is gonna happen. The only thing that the  is concentrating is trying to expand the  all the way to 125th St & Broadway. 

Do you even take the train daily? It gets packed and it would gain even more ridership since it connects to lines that go into Manhattan if congestion pricing goes thru. Metropolitan ave, Court sq and Hoyt are major transfer points plus schoolkids who also use the line.

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The issue is that there are not enough 10 car trains to make both  the C and G 100% full length with 10 car trains and we can not continue to count on the r46's, especially with all the vandalism that has been happening, The r46's are in really bad shape and parts for the r46's are becoming scarce. A few r46's have been removed from service.

The C can't stay as 8 car trains or mixed length. The G can't stay as 5 car trains. The G getting 8 car trains can be a temporary solution until they are enough 10 car trains to make the G full length with 10 car trains.

This is why it is imperative that the MTA moves forward with option 2, which will allow both the C and G to become 100% full length with 10 car trains

option order II would fix this, You guys gotta relax with the "The r46s won't last as long" bullshit. Y'all said the same about the R32s from 2008-2022. The R46s will get replaced. Both options are enough to replace them and leave a surplus of cars. Option II is going to happen regardless.

4 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

The  does not have enough passenger warranty for a 10 car service. 

it kinda does, The is always packed and making it 8 cars instead of 10 would cost more money since again the yard has to deal with a entire fleet of 8 cars that is restricted to one line instead of sharing the fleet. That's the reason it's better off being 10 cars so this way it can share it's fleet like it does now with it being 5 cars with the and .

If Congestion pricing happens, That would warrant the going 10 cars.

The shouldn't be 8 cars if it's still out of Jamaica Yard. It should be 10 cars for fleet flexibility. Making it 8 cars in Jamaica yard would create issues since the yard is already overcrowded with it's fleet. having a separate 8 car fleet would make it even more complicated.

The extra 8 car units should be used for a extension or a new eastern division line that would operate in south Brooklyn to cover for the loss of service.

2 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

I cannot vouch for its accuracy, but there is a photo floating around on social media of 4045 burn in testing on the , allegedly tonight

here's the video of it at 63rd drive

52 minutes ago, Travis Mcnonald said:

Dispite being over 15 years old, I'm surpised none of #3500-3783 ever transferred over to NYCTA like many of BC's Orion V CNGs did (and even MCI D4500CLs).

a few 3700s from LGA did go to MHV for a day but the city threw a big fit (rightfully so) and they sent them right back.

4 hours ago, Ale188 said:

3268-72, 3278-82 were in service as backup cars for the  on 9/20 because of R46s slowly retiring. Just a heads up. It is unknown (IMC) if they still are on the  or if it was just a one-day thing for the incident on @Lawrence St's topic.

It has nothing to do with the R46s. The R179s are apart of pitkin yard and the Rockaway just happend to use R179s since they were probably the only trains available. Plus since more R211s are in service on the , It makes sense to use a whole set (2 5 car trains) for the shuttle. The R211s will also be used on the shuttle when the time comes.

And the R179s have been on the rockaway shuttle before in the summer of 2021 and 2022 they popped up 1 time in those 2 years

1 hour ago, Ale188 said:

Weird to say, but if the MTA deleted the  for skip-stop purposes, they could also delete the . It's the same pattern, just on Nassau.

The / works. The / didn't work because it skipped the most important stops and didn't help. The / skip stop makes more sense because it gets people to the city faster and it actually helps since I rode both lines daily for 29 years.

2 hours ago, MJHmarc said:

BTW for all those who said the MTA should or will increase the R211 orders for the prep of congestion pricing they have said no there’s no plans to boost service when happens. 

https://gothamist.com/news/mta-will-not-boost-service-when-congestion-pricing-goes-into-effect

 

the only thing they'll do which they always do is order option II (they are going to have to anyway for the 2nd ave extension to 125th st)

Again this agency is dumb, the one thing to encourage people to take mass transit and they are shooting themselves in the foot by telling the riding public they aren't boosting any service. This is the main reason why more people went to cars between 1995-2000.

Also things could change if congestion pricing is in affect.

13 hours ago, Chris89292 said:

yesterday I was on a super hot car on the , this is very unacceptable, does the westchester yard even inspect their cars before putting them to passenger service? 

1 hour ago, trainfan22 said:

This isn't a Westchester Yard only problem, R62A's been having A/C problems in the summer for years. Same thing happens on the line.

 

 

You just have to deal with it until the R262 show up as the TA doesn't have an solution to fix the R62A frequent hot car problems. If every R62A was taken OOS due to A/C problems, there would be no service on the and lines 

 

 

I would suggest just switch to an car with working A/C like most ppl do.

Those lines are all local lines and mostly underground ( line mainly) so their HVAC units are going to fail overtime due to doors opening and closing each stop. If these were on an express line like the or this wouldn't be as much as an issue).

But the amount of hot cars on the and dramatically dropped compared to 2019. 

12 hours ago, Calvin said:

Forgot to add, 6206-6207 can be paired up with any A-A set back then but after the incident. It's converted to its said 4-car set. 

Video from Fan Railer 

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To this said thread: we have 7 trains at Pitkin Yard for now: 6 in-service with 1 testing so far expected to be in service next month. And, Pitkin Yard has 20 tech trains for the  (r179 included). 

6206-07 before that time was OOS for about 3-4 years. around that time they just returned to service and was the only R46 to have the hostler (if that's how is pronounced) controls (where you can control the train from the B end). most of the fleet had it post GOH but when they linked the cars together in 1994-5 they removed them. 6206-07 still had it until it was linked with the 2 surviving cars from the 125th st derailment and had the hostler removed. Had that set not derailed at 125th, 6206-07 would have been the first 2 R46s to retire.

1 hour ago, Kamen Rider said:

First off, don’t use that word.

second, as I keep saying but no one seems to want to listen, the staffing shortage is still worse than the car shortage. Hell, they’re still short me for another week, I’m still on Grand Jury duty. 
 

and third, parts for the 46s are becoming too scarce. There is a point where keeping the class running means sacrificing some of them to retirement for their important components and it seems we have reached that point.

 

plus i… I have to admit… something about having them on my train bothered me.

 

also there have been a few times where CR/s (not me) have started setting up in the wrong cab because they weren’t paying attention.

I get the parts issue but should have been more prepared. I'm going to get on their ass on everything since they are trying to brute force congestion pricing knowing they aren't ready due to the crew shortages and equipment shortages. They can't afford to have another car shortage because if they do again in the future even with available crews by then, it would be a big problem. It's better to be safe than sorry.

If congestion pricing wasn't being pushed so much, They could have been started retiring the R46s since option order I is already paid for which would not only retire the entire R46 fleet, but would also give NYCT a surplus of cars.

People including the workers gotta understand that is the biggest problem right now and their flaws are starting to show way more than in the past due to social media and etc. People are going to go ham esp when they are trying to force people to take mass transit because they always somehow run out of money while wasting it on useless shit at 2 broadway.

2 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

 

Oh. well, I'm even surprised the 46s started retirement. It's kinda awkward for me. I thought they would retire starting in November or December...

This wouldn't be a big deal if congestion pricing was off the table since option I is already paid for meaning they can retire the whole R46s fleet with no issue. Plus the lack of spares at CI and concourse yard (they have spares but it's a very low amount). But they are pushing for congestion pricing to start early next year which is a big mistake since they aren't ready for it.