R32 3838

On 9/12/2023 at 10:36 PM, Calvin said:

The R44 has a mini cab door that the crew goes through and that there's a rectangle glass part to where you're standing or entering and exiting the train. 

https://orenstransitpage.com/transit-photography/united-states/new-york-city/new-york-city-subway-retired-rolling-stock/r44-cars/

 

The R46, however has a larger sliding door in entrance. No glass portion unlike the R44 on the interior. 

https://www.myclallamcounty.com/2020/05/06/historic-new-york-city-subway-shutdown-for-cleaning-deemed-successful/

R46's had that prior to GOH but during the GOH it was removed

On 9/13/2023 at 7:29 AM, Lawrence St said:

With all the complaints they’re getting, I wouldn’t be surprised if the  is kicked to QBL local to help the  at all times.

It would kinda suck during rush hour since this would cause to back up service since the would have to switch to the local track or have to wait for the to leave before proceeding thus backing up trains. CBTC doesn't make it any better, in fact it's worse.

All because a bunch of f**king retards can't stop vandalizing trains.

The city needs to stop playing games and throw the book at these niggas before they cause a f**king derailment hurting hundreds of people. 

BTW i'm hearing 22 sets of trains were vandalized.

6 hours ago, Calvin said:

These two R160A-1s were sent back to East New York. However, they (ENY 4-car sets) are in rotation of 2 8 car trains out of Jamaica Yard for the 63rd St Shuttle. The track between 57 St and Lexington Av-63 St may still be in service hence the switching of car numbers from my guess. 

those 8 car units on the shuttle are out of ENY. They just use the nassau cut and broadway to deadhead them. this is why you see shuttle cars go back to the . Those cars still get inspected at ENY.

2 hours ago, Vulturious said:

https://nypost.com/2023/09/07/kathy-hochul-eric-adams-mta-target-video-game-over-nyc-subway-surfing-surge/

nope it's their shitty policies on why these kids do this in the first place.

18 hours ago, Vulturious said:

https://gothamist.com/news/mta-fails-on-promise-to-boost-r-train-service-lawmaker-says

I knew this was going to happen, people in Brooklyn and queens were complaining non stop about the shitty headways. look like fools because they knew the issues with the crew shortages before hand.

18 minutes ago, N6 Limited said:

 

Most of these problems are due to poor planning. Had they the foresight, the most simplest and cheapest solution for this track work would have been to extend the  13 stops to Forest Hills and call it a day.  
 

Not enough R160s? Cut the  back to City Hall or Whitehall, send the to Bay Ridge.

That’s the other thing. Williamsburg and Downtown Brooklyn have grown as well as areas along QBL local ( Steinway, Q70 @ Roosevelt, QCM @ Woodhaven, Forest Hills). The  would be (is) more appreciated now, compared to an infrequent short train with a stub terminal at Smith-9th Street.

Can't really do that with (on paper) a 6 min headway. Whitehall st only have one middle track and the is about every 8-10 mins. Canal st would be better but then you'll back up service due to crews making sure the train in cleared out.

The last minute option is to simply make the local 24/7 (Or every other local) until the GO is over. It might not be the best option but the is a shorter line vs the . It's too late to even extend the   to forest hills due to the obvious issues.

33 minutes ago, Maxwell179 said:

You don’t get tired of repeating yourself over and over again or hearing people tell you that your idea isn’t feasible or sensible ???

that's why i ignored him.

37 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

They also have their own shuttle buses to Manhattan.

i thought they didn't, i remember when the tram was getting replaced, They had the red old gen buses go to the city. If that's so they could have worked out a deal to have provide additional shuttle buses alongside their own.

8 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

I fully agree with all of these points. I brought up the  because it’s the most logical thing to do without spending more money. I’m sure all that “extra” service they have running on the  could have been used to instead extend the .

But something I’ve been wanting to ask is why does the , an somewhat equally long line, not have as many reliability issues as the  despite being 

The issue with the vs the is that it's a local and has too many slow spots since it's a BMT line and also it has to follow the from whitehall st and the from 42nd st (prince st on weekends) whereas the is express (local at night) doesn't have any slow spots besides that area between 175th and 168th st. Plus it's an IND line which doesn't have that many sharp curves compared to the BMT.

Even if they extended the it would have costed them money. The biggest issue is the area between Court sq and Queens plaza.

The main issue is just that could have planned this better instead of what we got. They knew that the crew had to pick jobs. Either way or the other people are getting screwed and it's not fair for both the crew and the passengers to deal with something that could have easily been done better.

I also blame the clowns in Roosevelt Island, They could have taken a shuttle bus to Queens Plaza where the   , and trains are available. It only takes about no less than 20 mins to get to queens plaza. Because of them bitching, This GO has to last longer because they have to do one track at a time between Queens-bridge and Lexington 63rd. That 20 min wait for the Shuttle train could be have been used to get to queens plaza. I would have preferred a whole shutdown vs what we have. 

The issue is that had planned this for about a year now. We just want better alternatives. It doesn't have to be the   train since there are flaws That should have been fixed a long time ago ( re-routes via crosstown a lot) and it doesn't even have to involve the subway. We have the LIRR and also buses in which the hasn't done much for. Having a special Q60 that serves the local stations along queens blvd (forest hills to grand) and running express to queens plaza and then to the city would have been a good alternative As well as a special bus serving Woodhaven blvd to Queens plaza serving the stations on Broadway (in Queens). LIRR cross honoring or atleast a $2.90 fare between Jamaica and Penn Station/GCM would also help.

Calling people entitled for wanting better alternatives is the most ignorant shit i seen on here or on social media. We (the ones on here) are aware of the issues that is on the crew and how this is effecting the crew but that's on the and it's departments for not communicating.  This could have been solved by giving people better choices outside the system if they can't handle the issue due to crew availability and etc.

This is at a time where wants more money via congestion pricing and they just raised the fares (the fare hike doesn't bother me at all)

You think the regular people who ride the subway are entitled, The ones who are going to be forced out of their cars are going to be much much worse.  

can't be trying to extort more money out of people and think they can pull shit like this.

And to say take a different train, There isn't any. Hence the complaints and the being brought up. On one weekend the didn't show up for over an hour and then they decided to send an local after an hour wait to cover for the .

Even with available crew, One Screw up would cause issues with the since it's a very long local line. This is why people are complaining. People are going through shit daily and people don't give a shit about anything. They just want to get to work. Not all of us got pandemic unemployment and $1200 stimulus checks. People do not want to lose their jobs so they are way more aggressive than ever before which sucks for the crew because they have to deal with that shit vs the suits at 2 Broadway.  

Also Politics do play a huge roll. The full shutdown got canned because of politics.

I do agree with shutdowns like this because it gets the work done faster, I just don't like how it's been executed when they could have tried to flock people to the LIRR or gave have special bus service to cover for the lack of service.

In all i see them just making the local at all times until this is over.

6 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

Okay, so the Department of Transportation will always forever be shitty then.

A total of 18 trains entering Essex St from 8 am to 9 am and leaving said station from 5 pm to 6 pm is very low. The  combined run on a 5 minute while the  runs on a mere 10 minute headway instead of the same headway.

But whatever. I said what I said.

The bridge is pretty old so it's understandable on why, This is why i wish they can build new river tubes to get the trains off of the bridges, esp the Manhattan bridge. By doing this you can increase service and don't have to worry about a limit or slow speeds and etc.

Manhattan bridge has a flaw since trains run on the side instead of the middle hence the 20 plus year construction of it, By building a tube they can also fix that dekalb junction as well. 

Willamsburg bridge is fine but the the age of the bridge is why they have the limit also the last project in 1999 when they redid the bridge is also a factor.

8 hours ago, Jemorie said:

Typical response. That’s why the  in general will always forever be shitty.

The Williamsburg bridge does have a TPH limit and that's on the DOT and not the . it's at 98% capacity.

52 minutes ago, 4P3607 said:

Keep an eye out for possible moves throughout this weekend. 

• With the only running to 57/6 there will be less trainsets in use.

• These additional R-160s may be used for service.

• Additional R-179s may be sent to the line;

• An Instagram post by the MTA themselves states there will be a boost in service. While extra service will be R-160s from as already discussed before it is inevitable the will need trains from somewhere.

 • I witnessed 6072 within a full-length trainset deadheading Northbound passing Utica last night. There is a possibility that it may have been heading to Coney.

So, I intended to post this last night however my phone's battery didn't make it. As of posting this now there is one 8-car R160 along the meaning there is certain to be a few trainsets moved around before Monday. 

The extra service is just midday so less trains will be getting laid up. But more R46s might be going to coney but the need a healthy spare factor of R46s first before coney.

The R160s going to the makes me think they will swap out sets for the 63rd st shuttle.

2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

There are R160's back on the ?

Yeah, some R160's will be on the since the isn't going to use all of their fleet. I thought more R179s would have been sent to 207th to push more R160s to the / . This would allow more R46's to be pushed to the to increase spare factor and / or send some R46s to coney to increase their spare factor.

11 hours ago, Calvin said:

Not a update. Just wanted to share a few things from the flashback from past notes with car numbers and mathematics as well as the situation with the B-Division to their number count at ENY/207/Pitkin Yards. 

 

These were all the R32 units in-service back then: 3354-3355, 3376-3377, 3360-3361, 3380-3381, 3384-3385, 3388-3389, 3394-3397, 3400-3401, 3404-3407, 3410-3411, 3414-3417, 3424-3431, 3432-3433, 3436-3443, 3448-3449, 3452-3453, 3454-3455, 3460-3461, 3472-3473, 3476-3477, 3484-3485, 3488-3489, 3496-3497, 3500-3501, 3512-3515, 3518-3519, 3522-3523, 3550-3551, 3574-3575, 3578-3579, 3586-3587, 3590-3591, 3606-3607, 3610-3611, 3614-3615, 3618-3619, 3654-3655, 3660-3661, 3664-3665, 3670-3673, 3682-3683, 3688-3689, 3698-3699, 3706-3709, 3714-3719, 3726-3733, 3736-3737, 3772-3775, 3778-3783, 3792-3793, 3798-3799, 3804-3807, 3810-3811, 3818-3823, 3840-3841, 3828-3829, 3834-3835, 3856-3857, 3864-3865, 3870-3873, 3876-3877, 3886-3887, 3896-3897, 3900-3901, 3912-3913, 3924-3925, 3928-3929, 3932-3933, 

Mismatch pairs: 3444:3777, 3445/3468, 3419:3740, 3520:3891, 3650:3767, 3628-3669, 3621-3644, 3383:3890, 3658:3471, 3548:3593 .. (212 R32 past cars)

3360-3361, 3646-3647, 3888-3889, 3894-3895, 3938-3939 (10 past cars but reserved as of 8.25.23)

* R42, past passenger service that are refuse units 4790-4817, 4820-4839 (50 past passenger cars)
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* R179 order

(188 4-car units = 23 8 car trains with a 4-car) ->  replaced 50 R42 cars with at least 48 R32 cars [12 8 car trains], the  replaced 92 old R32 cars [11.4 8-car trains] (At that time, they had R160s from the due to a permanent swap but later was replaced by using the spare chunk of 7-8 8-car R46 trains at Pitkin Yard)

(130 5-car units = 13 10-car trains) ->  received the 10-car package being able to remove the remaining 130 R32 cars. Although, they were able to move 4 8-car R46 trains to Jamaica Yard which is later to Coney Island for extra service but at Coney Island is a big plus due to CBTC at Queens Blvd needing a few more R160s. 

 

* Old SMEEs past service (222+50) -> 272 past cars, R179 order (188+130) -> 318 current cars. [ 318 > (greater than) 272]

Results: The R179s were able to replace all the remaining R32 and R42 subway cars. 

 

However, dealing with the  using R46 trains at Pitkin, at least 7-8 trains are in-rotation. But, we have 3 R211 trains in passenger service (30 cars). We'll need at least a total of 10 10-car R211 trains total at Pitkin Yard to maintain their shortage. The R46 usage on the  took damage of spare trains at Pitkin Yard for the  and that there's only 3 spare R179s per day. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/39kopiihtqlwjfq/Car Assignments.xlsx?dl=0

 

R179s didn't replace all the cars, all it did was create a spare factor shortage since the R32s that were supposed to stay retired hence the R46s going to the instead of CI to increase their spare factor due to the  going to 96th and 2nd.

On 8/24/2023 at 11:56 AM, trainfan22 said:

I don't think they have scrapped all the remaining R32s yet, they probably want to get rid of all the 32s before they start scrapping R46s

 

 

So far, the sets retired..

 

• The 36th Street shooting set

 

• The set derailed by the homeless man at 14th/8th

 

• The set derailed at 125th Street 

 

 

Far as I know these sets are still on NYCT property, no 46s have been sent to Ohio for scrapping yet. 

 

the ohio contract is only for a select amount of cars. They will have to have a new contact in place for more scrapping. The R46's i don't think has asbestos so it might be much easier for them to get scrapped within the NY metro area. The remaining R32's it's unknown, the Ohio contract only called for half of the fleet (if i'm correct. I heard this from a reliable source)

18 hours ago, Chris89292 said:

Not soon, they’ll probably be all retired by mid 2025 or 2026

I would say 2027

I wouldn't expect to see them start scrapping R46s until mid 2024 with retirements starting in late this year into early 2024. They have to increase CI spare factor first before scrapping anything.

19 hours ago, R179 8258 said:

How many R211s are needed in service to close the gap from the R32s early retirement ?

80 since the R211s won't need a higher spare factor vs the R32s which would have needed 110 cars with 60-70 cars being used for service. But to be safe it would be 110 R211s but with 80 cars they can start retiring R46s (which is not a good idea if congestion pricing starts next year)

4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

And on top of that, switching equipment between the  and  required many more R32s to be in service (10-car trains vs 8-car trains) and R42s also needed to be moved to  service, putting a crunch on ENY to use it’s R160s on the .

it was 176 R46s moved from the  to the , and 220 R32s from the  to the , supplemented with 30 R42s moved from the  to the . 
 

that is why starting in 2013, the swap was then 96 R32s from the for 96 R160As from the , and then a smaller R32 for R46 switch between the  and . 

They also had to borrow 2-3 sets of R46s from Jamaica. One of the biggest reasons why they did the and swap was because it was set for set with no additional trains needed since both are 8 car lines. Plus this benefited both lines as the / had a larger spare factor of R42s and R160s and later on R143s while the had R160s which required a lower spare factor on top of the R32 spares.

9 minutes ago, Amiri the subway guy said:

 

 

I'm 50/50 on this subject But some of this de-interlining stuff that some of these transit fans come up with makes no sense at all. 

Rapid transit systems and commuter rail systems merge all the time and they manage to keep good service. The issue is speed and how some of these switches are. That is what causes the choke points.

The 8th ave line and broadway line could be de-interlined without screwing up too much stuff up. Like The would be the 8th ave/CPW express (local in brooklyn) and could run to bedford pk blvd 7 days a week all day while the could go to 168th during the week. The could replace the in Manhattan between 168th and WTC 7 days a week as the local with headways that wouldn't hurt the . This would eliminate that merge at canal st which causes delays in and service. The and would serve 2nd ave while the and would serve Queens which would eliminate merging at 34th and 49th st. The would run 7 days a week all times to Astoria with extra service during the rush to brooklyn (if they have the funding) meaning all 4 Broadway lines would have full service 7 days a week. The would get extended to bay ridge at night to replace the with the not running at nights (the runs to Whitehall at night and the would need that terminal so its better to replace the at night)

13 hours ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said:

Honestly I've never had problems with the  and  on weekends; they don't seem to get very crowded and even if trains ran only ran every 6 minutes they were pretty consistent. I'm glad they're increasing service, but I wonder why they choose the  and .

The worst weekend offenders always seem to be heavily interlined B-Division trains where individual services become really spotty. I've had so many weekend experiences where I've had to wait like 20+ minutes for an  train which is cruel to QBLVD local riders. I wish more focus would be placed on those lines.

The is just terrible, even if it ran every 6 mins on weekends, it's still terrible. The GO on 4th ave doesn't make it any better. last sunday night the next train was 25 mins away. This is every weekend which sucks,.

Since the is going to 57th, This will free up a good chunk of 8 car units which would probably go to the / which would bump a chunk of R179s to the to boot those R46s off the if they planning on doing this from the end of august to early 2024.

On 7/30/2023 at 10:52 PM, 4P3607 said:

There was a post on SubChat mentioning the use of ENY sets from the (M). This would make the most sense as the is running fewer trains however ultimately we'll see what happens.

Edit: Had this tab open for quite a while before posting and the above posts made it before I did. I did not intend to repeat already posted information.

It'll probably be Coney equipment of an R160 from Jamaica.

5 hours ago, RTOMan said:

He will be ok and adapt like everyone else will.

I have been adapting to the GO's on queens blvd for over 20 plus years. I get that the CBTC has it's own issues but the majority of the time (on weekends) when the is delayed, It's mainly because of the GO in Brooklyn. During the week It's not as bad because the is running with the .  As long as those extra trains turn around in Manhattan, it shouldn't be bad.

13 hours ago, Far rockaway said:

Is it too much of a hassle for the MTA to have the trains running via the 53rdst tunnel in both directions, that way  trains would be able to serve the QBL local stations.

They barely had enough room before the was sent via 63rd. Having the and in one tunnel would cause problems. The uses a lot of trains hence why they are reducing the slightly and this would allow them to run more trains.

12 minutes ago, Comrade96 said:

extending the G wont really help those trying to go into manhattan

Waiting 30 plus mins for an train wouldn't help either. Every time the screws up, I have to wait more than 12 mins. Adding extra service isn't going to help because the line is pure trash. The only way to somewhat make things a bit easier is turning the extra trains at canal st, if they don't do that than it's pointless.

They could have extended the to at least keep weekday service every 5-6 mins at local stations and used whatever the isn't using since that's like half of the line fleet that isn't going to be needed. Most people get off at Roosevelt to transfer anyway. The would have been 8 cars instead of 5.

I get work needs to get done but they need to stop with the shit alternatives. Bad enough I have to wait for longer periods of times for the train on weekends when the road goes to shit in Brooklyn

2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

They should have extended the  to Forest Hills to compensate for the loss of the . Where are you going to fit all these extra  trains?

The service from what i read will be slightly reduced since the will also be running on 53rd st.

4 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

Not my photo, R179 3030-3034 was in service running along the Rockaway huttle. Not sure if it is still running around, I guess they had to start running them along that line at some point since the R46's are bound to be replaced sooner or later.

They ran on the shuttle before as full length trains last summer. This is i think the first time they are running as 5 car units on the shuttle.

25 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

Hi, I actually work around R211s and I've not heard any of this.

 

Gotta remember the difference between Crew Room Lawyer BS and actual policy from 2 Broadway.

These were from your co-workers who are on facebook and 2 i know personally. That's why i said rumor in my original post about it.

5 minutes ago, LTA1992 said:

........It's crazy to me that y'all are reaching that far into an empty barrell for reasons why open gangways can't work here. How the absolute foque does the type of gangway influence how thorough a workers checks are? How is the MTAs fault that one of their crew doesn't check properly?

Sorry, but working on an industry where NOT being thorough can get someone injured or killed (film industry for those wondering, specifically lighting aka electrician and rigging aka grip), the fault solely lies with you. If you don't know how to do something, you ain't qualified enough to work on it.

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I never said they can't work here, Let the train run over debris in a river tube with no clearance and see what happens. had years of planning for this and they didn't do it. I'm not against the cars at all but the way has its rules, They should have known this was going to be an issue.

So don't come at me like I'm against the cars when I'm just relating the news from people who actually work in NYCT. 

This is why they are test units. Once they figure out the issues and concerns, Then they'll figure out if they want to order more or not.