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  1. I've heard vague rumors that the M12 might be for the chop. Has anyone here heard such rumblings?

    I find it hard to believe, since it's a foregone conclusion the ridership will grow as more Hudson Yards rental units are occupied. If anything, extending the operating hours to standard hours, and increasing runs seem more likely to me as time goes by. Well, I suppose the 11th Ave tunnel traffic is a nightmare. I have met folks who thought the route didn't exist due to runs stuck in traffic, but I blame that more on them having four buses maximum on the road at any one time.

    Also, heard one M42 driver claim odd proposals were in the works for that route, such as driverless bus testing and a dedicated lane. Madness. Everyone I've ever spoken to claim they can't even have artics on that route forget anything more. Are there any M42 developments coming, or is all that pure nonsense as well?

  2. A fair response. I agree that the Brighton line ROW is more straight, and, with less graduation, allows more speed. My main reply to that would be that the service which already exists is pretty fairly utilized.


    Can they really increase (B) service to compensate that increase of ridership while still accommodating the regular users? If a weekend event, there's less impact activating (B) service, sure, and Manhattan return service would have less non-event-attending attending riders, but (NX) service would have less impact in those areas overall, and have less bottlenecks. I think this still tips the scales towards dedicated service, and the (NX) would seem to fit that bill.


    Still, as routes go, you are right.

  3. It's an old dead horse to many, but I do really think reactivation of (NX) service is more arguable now, as the popularity of the Coney Island Amphitheatre has increased quite a bit.


    Limited use reactivation here would be comparable to LIRR and NICE increasing Wantagh service for Jones Beach Amphitheatre events.


    Also, the event precedent exists with increased service/station access for Aqueduct as well as for the (7) and Bronx lines during MLB games, not to mention that a line (JFK) was conceived purely for a single primary destination, and I think the bases are fairly well covered for such service.


    Within this particular context (not regular or peak service), how fares the idea with you all now?

  4. If I recall correctly, and it will take an older member to substantiate it (or someone with the appropriate map), I seem to remember taking an M72 that traversed Central Park via Terrace Drive for an exit at West 72nd when I was a wee lad in the late 70's/early 80's.


    The best I can find to confirm that, or show I'm finally losing it, is the '74 and '76 maps, which show no such route. However, it might have been a bit later when the trip(s) happened. Of course, it might be sticking in my mind that it was an obvious deviation from the normal route...but then again, I know my mom didn't drag me over to the west side too often either (Oh, it's much improved since those days).


    Anyhow, it was a nagging local mystery (of my own), and no, I'm not mixing it up with the M79. :)

  5. How I wish them luck...but, as someone who could see the highline a block from my window for five years, my hopes are not as high as they once were for successful reactivation (Not that I wanted that razed, mind you, but we need more rail in this city; not less).


    That said, they have my support...as do those who want to repurpose the Bay Ridge Branch, or make use of any existing ROW and built trackway infrastructure throughout the system. Everything that exists ought to be used to the maximum potential.

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  6. Wrapping the idea of reactivating the Bay Ridge Branch, or some commuter-service purposing, within the idea of some "triboro" service has probably only hindered the effort of restoring passenger service. In this situation, simple is best. Let's have a crosstown terminating in Bay Ridge and Canarsie, and leave making provisions for future expansion as the daydreams. People have to go down to Stillwell, or up to Atlantic for most line changes, and they're sick of it. Let's end that sooner rather than later.

  7. Set up from Roosevelt station in 1929


    Winfield Spur: This was designed to provide through service to the Rockaways from midtown, and also to serve the neighborhoods of Maspeth and Ridgewood. It would have been a two track line arising from the Roosevelt Avenue station (the never-used upper level station, but also would have track connections to the main line), and curving southeasterly between 78th and 79th Sts. to Queens Blvd., then along the LIRR ROW into Garfield Avenue to 65th Place, then along 65th Place to Fresh Pond Road, and then along Fresh Pond Rd and Cypress Hills Avenue to a connection with the Central Avenue line outlined above. The line would be 2 tracks, and would be subway to 45th Avenue, then elevated to Fresh Pond Road, then subway again to Central Avenue. In looking at the map, the rationale for the circuitous route becomes a little more apparent, since it appears to skirt some large cemeteries, thus staying in the residential/commercial areas.




    Joe Brennan notes: There is an unused trackway for westbound local trains beginning at outer wall just east of station, rises up to same level as 2 trackways mentioned above making 3 trackways on upper level. At 78th St, 3 trackways on upper level curve to south, ending at "temporary" wall at edge of constructed subway. On lower track level in use, a fourth local trackway for eastbound local trains is seen also curving to south and similarly ending at a wall. The 4-track subway running south was a plan for a line to the Rockaways and south Jamaica proposed in 1929. Get out the atlases: via private property at 78th St now used as a playground, west in Garfield Ave, south in 65th Place, private property, Fresh Pond Road, then east in the LIRR, etc.



    I forget where, but I thought someone claimed to have gotten into that, and that it was one of the most impressive unused tunnels in the system. Either way, that it could finally be put to use might settle some old books. :)


    Same goes for the rest of those trackways along the line in that area of Queens. Seeing those bellmouths when entering or leaving stations, I always think of the money wasted making those preparations back then.

  8. To this day, the two most memorable subway rides I've had were both through the Rockaways (Perhaps the most scenic ride in the system):

    One, aboard a Westbound R-44 (A) watching a waterspout ("finger of God!") just off Atlantic Beach during Gloria, and the other riding one of, if not, the first Westbound revenue runs of the R-110 (B, I assume) out of Mott Ave. Fear and awe, in that order.

  9. @Radio: when doing the DEM I singled out the subway only for clarity. No LIRR on the Southern BMT yet since it's still an unfinished beta route. 2014 will see big things happen so expect this to get overhauled and made better.

    I look forward to a new video of that. Perhaps the Neck Road platform remains will appear. :)

  10. Merge and split are available in vB, and if they are not used already, they probably should be. However, short of threats that should not remain, I don't agree on editing posts. If a thread is locked, the reason for it should remain. I also forgive a mod not posting a reason for a lock if the reason is self-evident. I would assume a PM went to the offender, and leave it at that.

  11. This remains my favorite car to ride, and I'm glad to remember it. I remember exploring every inch as we crossed Jamaica Bay. Looking back at that vid, you can tell from the dress style that it was the 90's, but that car still seems more advanced than the R160 to me. I miss it.

  12. Major no-no. Cars and trains on the same railbed don't mix. First, it slows everybody down. Second, trains can't stop on a dime, so if you have a speeding train that just notices a car ahead, you probably have some people dead, a totaled car, a wrecked train, destroyed tracks, and billions of dollars in lawsuits.


    Needless to say, but I'm glad you said it. B)

  13. Well, those are narrow and clean, sweet for New York! B)!


    Not for New York. Notice any hi-rises in those pictures? Nope. Those are great for the suburbs, as I said, but pantograph lines will never happen in Manhattan, and are too dangerous for Brooklyn and Queens too.


    I could see it being safer in certain parts of The Bronx and Staten Island, but again, the other issues of cost versus those of simply extending subway lines come into play, and that still remains the better option.

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