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Does anyone know the history of the arrangement between Olympia, NJT and the Port Authority regarding the Line 300 between Port Authority and Newark Airport? Was this an outright purchase of the line by Olympia or is there a franchise right involved with the Port Authority to access the terminal? Thank you in advance for any info you can share.
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New Jersey Transit - Random Thoughts Thread
ML111 replied to Orion VII 4 Life's topic in New Jersey Transit
Upwards of 70-80% of the ridership on the Greyhound service is going to the casinos. Greyhound knows this and has acted accordingly. In addition, the Terminal is also the designated parking location in between trips. Having that as the last stop makes sense and saves money. Pre-pandemic, the company ran up to 15-20 schedules each day and as a result you can be selective on which of the 5 casinos are served. Now, they run 5-8 schedules a day - you can't be selective and there's less people overall. Alas, all schedules do the 4 boardwalk-side casinos. -
New Jersey Transit - Random Thoughts Thread
ML111 replied to Orion VII 4 Life's topic in New Jersey Transit
It's a tale of different seasons.... Pre-Pandemic, non Summer = you're correct Pre-Pandemic, Summer until Columbus Day = 70% pax with luggage to AC, 30% to Toms River Now = 90% luggage to AC, 10% to Toms River -
No one unfortunately. Schedules were basically shed to near nothing, with unreliable service that scared off what was left of the ridership. Perhaps a select extension of a few 186s north of the current Dumont terminus, but that's about it, if anything.
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Highly unlikely - they're stretched as is with their line run business since their split with Greyhound. When they go out completely - this is now a when vs. an if, we may see a new carrier enter the mix - Trans Express/National Express would be my bet.
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They're based in Perth Amboy and mostly run the SIM 23/24 - augments the Canadian buses (the lower 1900s), which have been a disaster....
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8938-8940 are now Hoboken based at Academy. Not sure if Toms River received anything in return. They received a few - mostly used on the Route 9 work they cover.
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Greyhound charges that fare because it's not primarily an intercity or commuter route (NY-AC). It's primary role is a express service to the casinos. Upwards of 90% of the clientele taking those buses are going to one of the five casinos that still "greet" buses and purchased a round trip. Since that's their primary business, they charge the market rate equivalent based on time and distance for the one way. If you search on greyhound.com, most of the city pairs that are within mileage range of AC from NYC (i.e. Wilmington, Albany, Hartford), are approximately the same price give or take $5. Nearly all of the terminal-based passengers are one way or "thru" connecting from NYC, Philly or DC from other locations, or one ways. The price has absolutely nothing to do with competition anymore. The Greyhound fare has stayed the same for almost 5 years now - except for the Friday night surcharge of $45 round trip implemented two or three years ago. Up until the early 2000s Greyhound was competing with Academy on price on this route - this was when AC was still a "casino bus" town, prior to the PA casinos opening and Empire and Aqueduct in NYC. They would match each other dollar for dollar, schedule for schedule.
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They are almost always signed for Parkway Express during the week, so I'm not sure. The Forked River runs are primarily out of Pomona, the Monmouth runs out of Toms River and Pomona, and the PNC runs are from Leonardo. Leonardo doesn't have them and Pomona doesn't use them on a regular basis for AC - even though they are put on those runs on Saturdays. I don't know.
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I can say with almost certainty that Academy's D4500s, 8926-8950 and D4505's 8951-8952 are Toms River based. With the D4000s, they are allocated across the system, Hoboken, Perth Amboy, Leonardo, Toms River, and Westampton all have them. I don't have the fleet numbers, sorry
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SJP, To the best of my knowledge, here are the Academy line runs by terminal: Hoboken 22 Hillside - 2, 22, 23, 88, 119 Tri-State - Columbia University/ NYU Academy Express - PABT -Atlantic City Secaucus Academy Express - Newark Airport-Long Term Parking Perth Amboy NJT Contract: 800-805, 810,811,813,814,815,817,818,819,822 Academy Express: Empire City, IKEA Shuttle, PABT-Atlantic City Academy Lines: Sayreville, Route 9 (139 sections north of Gordons Corner) Leonardo Academy Lines: Route 35, Route 36, PNC Bank Arts Center-PABT/Wall Street, Parkway Express-Jersey City, Red Bank-Wall Street Toms River Academy Lines: Route 9 (both Wall Street and 139 sections south of Gordons Corner), Jackson/Manchester, Asbury Park/Shore Points, Parkway Express Academy Express: Empire City, PABT-Atlantic City Pomona Academy Lines: Parkway Express Academy Express: PABT-Atlantic City Westampton Academy Lines: Willingboro/Westampton, Line 300 (split with Suburban) With the equipment, the only buses you will be able to account for are the NJT-leased Nova's - the question you need to answer (which I don't have) is what buses are marked "22 Hillside" and what buses are marked "Academy Express." As for the MCIs, well....since they are always shifted because of the charter work, it's hard to tell. I know Pomona has 8921-8925 and 8942-8945, but after that it's a toss up.
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Hey Jason,
That's great to hear about you holding down a regular run in Secaucus - I hope to see you on your way back in to the garage at night. I usually check out between 5 and 6 on a normal day - if you ever get a chance, stop in and say hi.
We're also getting new D4505's into Secaucus next week.
See you soon!
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Hey Jason,
Great to hear from you. I definitely understand about the run not making that much - low on hours and probably half the OT as compared to a regular Providence-based run I can imagine.
Bill speaks the truth - it's really unfortunate because the way the place was structured, it relied heavily on his presence. I was fortunate to have spent a month with him when I first started back in March, and believe me when I say he was the glue of the whole thing.
There are issues there now, but like all transportation firms, you will always run into some kind of trouble
I will definitely take you up on that offer - I might even stop by next week. I am always around the South Wing, as I grew up knowing many of the Academy folks who come through there.
Btw, next time you see Bill, please say hi to him for me. He was always one of my favorite drivers to talk to because of his knowledge and experience.
-Brian
