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  1. I am all for this! As a daily rider, this is much needed. Too much chaos and confusion at Times Square in the morning.
  2. Where are you pulling this data from?
  3. Just an opinion, don't go shooting arrows at me (just kidding of course) but: I personally never really considered a Nassau Street Line running via 4th Avenue again because before 2010, ridership along West End and 4th Avenue was very minimal. However considering how most Brooklyn riders transfer to the & IRT lines between DeKalb Avenue and 59th Street, it sort of seems like the most practical option. Possible Option: : Jamaica Center <> Bay Ridge-95 St via Jamaica Skip-Stop Express/Nassau Street-4th Avenue Local, Rush Hours. Other times, Jamaica Center <> Bay Ridge-95th Street via Jamaica-Nassau Street-4th Avenue Local. Pros: Due to minimal interlining (only interlining with the at Essex Street and Myrtle Avenue-Broadway versus the interlining with the at Queens Plaza, at the 60th Street Tube, at 34th Street-Herald Square, at Whitehall Street and more recently at 36th Street after 7PM due to Work Train assembly and at 59th & 36th Streets due to construction that causes the to stop at 45th & 53rd Street) delays and horrendous service gaps of 15 minutes+ would be reduced. Direct South Brooklyn & Nassau Street service would be restored. Direct South Brooklyn <> North Brooklyn service (believe it or not, I know many people including myself that would highly benefit from this). Nassau Street and Lower Manhattan Broadway stations are very close in proximity, minimal impact to Lower Manhattan riders. Direct access to major hubs such as the Fulton Street Transit Center, City Hall & more Chinatown access. If the few Brooklyn Heights/DUMBO riders really rely on Broadway Service, a transfer would be available at DeKalb Avenue or Canal Street to Broadway Services. Bay Ridge and 4th Avenue riders would finally ride on newer upgraded fleet, a step up from, the dingy R46's. Cons: Correct me if I am wrong but I believe as a terminal, Bay Ridge-95th Street can only turn around so many trains an hour (I think the number is around 10). The combined run a total 12 trains an hour (a frequency of 5 minutes). If 10 trains per hour is the maximum capacity that Bay Ridge-95th Street can turn around, 2 and/or trips would have to be short turned at Broad Street, causing a slight gap in Rush Hour Service in Southern Brooklyn. If the short turn option is a no-go, then the would have to be reduced to a combined 10 trains per hour (a frequency of 6 minutes) which doesn't seem bad at first glance, but riders along the Jamaica Line would experience 12 minute frequencies (average 6 minute wait times) at Skip-Stop Stations. I don't think Jamaica riders would be too enthusiastic about that. However I believe it can be done because if you recall the was in fact going to be reduced to 10 trains per hour as apart of the 14 Street Tube Shutdown Plan to make room for beefed up service. The would deal with more interlining due to all temporary construction along 4th Avenue, may cause delays to ripple along the entire Jamaica-Nassau Line. May ironically turn into another long Local Queens through Brooklyn line where a delay in Queens may cause delays to ripple all the way to Bay Ridge, thus solving nothing. : Forest Hills-71 Avenue <> Whitehall Street, all times except Late Nights (see ). Pros: Less Interlining = more reliable service. Short, Sweet and to the point Local line connecting Queens and Manhattan. Cons: May have to short turn trips at Canal Street during Peak-Hours if Whitehall can't handle the 7.5 trains per hour (frequency of 8 minutes) that the currently runs during Rush Hours. (May not be an issue considering the runs a single train per hour less.) Reduced service south of Canal Street (back to post-2010 through pre-2016 frequencies) with only the serving lower Manhattan. : Astoria-Ditmars Blvd <> Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via Broadway Local/4th Avenue Express, all times except Late Nights. Late Nights, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd <> Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via Whitehall Street to compensate for loss of late night service south of Canal Street (unless Late Night Queens through Manhattan service could be considered). Peak Service would have to be beefed up from 7.5 trains per hour (frequency of 8 minutes) to about 12 trains per hour (frequency of 6 minutes) to compensate for the loss of the . Pros: Extra service along the route, especially for Sea Beach Riders. Cons: May need to Short-Turn trains at Kings Highway or 86th Street-Gravesend during Peak Hours (not a huge deal in my opinion) due to beefed up service. Beefed headways can cause more congestion on the Manhattan Bridge and Merge from the Express to the Local tracks along Broadway, delaying service. Absorption of the would upset the many lovers of the line (including I). : Retired, much to my dismay, but if the MTA comply's with Bay Ridge's demands, I feel there is just no room for the in this scenario. In conclusion, there is no perfect way to solve the unpredictable service along the 4th Avenue Line. Chances are, the best service pattern for the aforementioned riders... is the one we currently have now! It remains a very damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. It is very possible that there is no perfect solution with the way the subway system was built over a century ago. There just isn't enough time or money to reconfigure the subway system to meet 2019's demands. Thats just my 2 cents, I don't feel that the is going to rearrange service, it is probably fine left just the way it is, even though it is pretty crappy. It's the best that can be done.
  4. This was a very interesting read, very good points made (some more practical than others of course): https://pedestrianobservations.com/2018/06/12/how-deinterlining-can-improve-new-york-city-transit/ Just a few ideas on my mind about Deinterlining Broadway and the DeKalb Junction and how it can be done (based off a post I made in the "Redesign a Line" thread). As a weekday AM & PM Rush Hour commuter between 57 St-7 Av & Avenue U, I constantly deal with the horrid merge at 34th St which will slow down my all the way to the bridge going south or stop us at 28th St on the express track going north, not to mention it causes delays on both the and , & god forbid there'd be a merging in front of the on the bridge going south. With all the timers, curves and insanely slow speed limits in the DeKalb Junction, this causes many gaps in service south of DeKalb Av, when trains are supposed to run roughly 7 minutes apart but will go from 2-4 minute intervals to 13-16 minute intervals at times during rush hour. My plan would be to completely de-interline the Broadway Line and the DeKalb Junction during normal hours: 96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via Sea Beach Daily, 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. Late Nights, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Local via Whitehall St. 96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via West End (B'way Local during late nights). Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall St via Broadway Local, Daily 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. To compensate for the loss of the in Astoria, the will have to be bumped up to approximately 14 trains per hour (frequency roughly every 4-5 minutes, similar to the ) during peak-times to keep the same amount of trains running as of right now. Unfortunately Whitehall St is not a sufficient terminus to accommodate 14 trains per hour and without proper fleet numbers to extend into Brooklyn, a couple of will have to short-turn at Canal St (upper level) during peak-times. 205 St-Norwood to Coney Island via 6 Av Express/Brighton Local. Fleet Swaps/Changes: R68: 240 (30 Sets) +1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. R68: 8 (1 Set) R160: 210 (21 Sets) +1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. R68: 8 (1 Set) R160: 210 (21 Sets) R68: 24 (3 Sets) R160: 170 (17 Sets) +5 Sets of R160 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. Pros: Reduced congestion. Increased capacity. Minimal delays (especially on the Manhattan Bridge, which can be an absolute nightmare). Cons: Astoria line loses Broadway Express service (although only 4 stops are skipped between 57 St-7 Av and Canal St, so not a huge loss). Brighton line loses direct Broadway service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square. West End & 4 Av Line loses direct 6 Av Service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square. With this service pattern, there wouldn't be any interlining/merging of various lines, reducing delays and increasing capacity. Alternative Option: Keep the via West End, replace Sea Beach service with the , Bedford Park Blvd/145 St-Coney Island, normal hours (96 St-2 Av late nights), providing Central Park West with weekend service. Astoria-Whitehall St via Local (extended to Bay Ridge-95 St during late nights, eliminating the Shuttle), 96 St-2 Av to Brighton Beach/Coney Island, eliminated. However extended service during nights via 6 Av may be viewed as superfluous (unnecessary) & long time Sea Beach Riders likely not be to fond of losing service. Lastly these service patterns are confusing. It'd be better to put 6th Av lines on Brighton & Broadway Lines on Sea Beach and West End. Thoughts on this? Also I want to pick your brains on alternative options to deinterlining the Broadway Line & DeKalb Junction and any other ideas for deinterlining in the NYC Subway System.
  5. Just a few ideas on my mind: As a weekday AM & PM Rush Hour commuter between 57 St-7 Av & Avenue U, I constantly deal with the horrid merge at 34th St which will slow down my all the way to the bridge going south or stop us at 28th St on the express track going north, not to mention it causes delays on both the and . Also god forbid there'd be a merging in front of the on the bridge going south, with all the timers, curves and insanely slow speed limits in the DeKalb Junction, this causes many gaps in service service south of DeKalb Av, when trains are supposed to run roughly 7 minutes apart but will go from 2-4 minute intervals to 13-16 minute intervals at times during rush hour. My plan would be to completely de-interline the Broadway Line and the DeKalb Junction during normal hours: 96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via Sea Beach Daily, 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. Late Nights, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Local via Whitehall St. 96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via West End (B'way Local during late nights). Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall St via Broadway Local, Daily 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. To compensate for the loss of the in Astoria, the will have to be bumped up to approximately 14 trains per hour (frequency roughly every 4-5 minutes, similar to the ) during peak-times. Unfortunately Whitehall St is not a sufficient terminus to accommodate 14 trains per hour and without proper fleet numbers to extend into Brooklyn, a couple of will have to short-turn at Canal St (upper level) during peak-times. 205 St-Norwood to Coney Island via 6 Av Express/Brighton Local. Fleet Swaps/Changes: R68: 240 (30 Sets) +1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. R68: 8 (1 Set) R160: 210 (21 Sets) +1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. R68: 8 (1 Set) R160: 210 (21 Sets) R68: 24 (3 Sets) R160: 170 (17 Sets) +5 Sets of R160 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. Pros: Reduced congestion. Increased capacity. Minimal delays (especially on the Manhattan Bridge, which can be an absolute nightmare). Cons: Astoria line loses Broadway Express service (although only 4 stops are skipped between 57 St-7 Av and Canal St, so not a huge loss). Brighton line loses direct Broadway service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square. West End & 4 Av Line loses direct 6 Av Service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square. With this service pattern, there wouldn't be any interlining/merging of various lines, reducing delays and increasing capacity. Alternative Options: Cut weekend and replace it with to Astoria-Ditmars Blvd via Broadway Local. However this may cause signage complications and confusion among people. Keep the via West End, replace Sea Beach service with the , Bedford Park Blvd/145 St-Coney Island, normal hours (96 St-2 Av late nights), providing Central Park West with weekend service. Astoria-Whitehall St via Local, 96 St-2 Av to Brighton Beach/Coney Island, eliminated. However extended service during nights via 6 Av may be viewed as superfluous (unnecessary) & long time Sea Beach Riders likely wouldn't be to fond of losing service.
  6. R160 at Hoyt during testing in 2005 R42 Local in 2012 R40 Slants on the in 2009 R40 Slant via West End Express in 2005 R42 via Jamaica Express from Marcy-Broadway Jct in 2011 R32 with Pre-1988 rollsigns with twisting knobs in 2009 R62 via Express from 96 St to 145 St in 2016 TOMC on the in 2004 R62A in 2002 signed up as a Diamond express from 3 Av-149 St to 174 St in 2002 to 3 Av-149 St in 2016 R62A on the in 2000 via 7 Av in 2015 TOMC on the in 2016
  7. Are you sure, because I was definitely informed that 6 car R32/42's were not allowed on the by a post that DJHammers (I think) posted sometime back.
  8. I believe that R32's and R42's are banned from the because of OPTO.
  9. I don't believe sending select trains to 96 St-2 Av is a good idea. I believe during Rush Hours in the peak direction when the is the only line serving busy Concourse line stations, removing trains from its 7-9 minute average headway would cause awkward 14-18 minute gaps in service and for the Concourse line, that is a no-no.
  10. Am I the only one who can't figure out how to make this work???
  11. There is still two (2)'s listed under B'way 7 Av Line >.< !
  12. Thanks guys! Appreciate the help. I never knew existed before the updated R68A roll signs.

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