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Just to give a little background on the Intervale incident: "On March 15, 1989, three men set the wooden station house on fire after a failed attempt to rob the token booth. The clerk was not seriously injured, while the suspects fled and were never identified. After the incident, New York City Transit considered closing this station permanently due to its close proximity to Prospect Avenue and Simpson Street. However, a community uproar led to the scrapping of the plans. The station was rebuilt with steel canopies and windscreens and a concrete station house with glass block windows and embossed leather-looking walls. Renovations took two and a half years. Artwork called El 2/El 5 by Michael Kelly Williams was installed in the mezzanine and features two mosaic murals depicting underground and elevated tracks. The renovated station reopened on April 21, 1992 after 20 months of work was completed." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervale_Avenue_station This is super tragic. I can't believe this happened.

I mean... if it's better for the crowds on 2nd Avenue as the says, then operationally it makes more sense. As a daily rider between 57 St-7 Av and Avenue U (basically the whole damn route), I can definitely say that it makes more sense to keep the R160's on the vs. the /. Crowds are wicked on both ends, when my train pulls into Avenue U in the morning is already at Standing Room Levels only and once it reaches Prospect Park/7 Av, it is absurdly crowded. Additionally when the pulls in at 57 St-7 Av during the PM Rush, the train is already extremely crowded so early in its route vs. the that isn't really crowded until 34 St-Herald Square and the that typically isn't overloaded. If the was reduced to 100% 75 footers, loading times would increase substantially, shiddd the on Brighton in the Morning struggles enough loading passengers in a timely fashion without having to dwell much longer than it should. But this is just my opinion and as we all know, opinions are not always facts. Carry on.

I'm almost certain that whichever R160's remain at C.I. will be assigned to the , but like others have said, we shall see ...

This is probably totally inaccurate I'm just trying to do some math there. According to Lance's 09/16/2019 Car assignments: uses 104-112 R46's uses 248 R46's So I assume that 360 R46's (not including spares or extras for potential fleet expansion) are being transferred from Jamaica to Coney Island, roughly 45 sets. uses 290 R160's (along with 24 R68's and 8 R68A's) uses 210 R160's (along with 8 R68/A's during the PM Rush) Roughly 50 sets of R160's are at Coney, with a minimum of 45 being transferred to Jamaica. Crap , not gonna lie. As a South Brooklyn commuter on the and , I'm a little disappointed. A lot of R46's are pretty beat up and not a good look, especially if they're moved over to Brighton. I'd also miss those 46's on QBL. It's gonna be strange not to see them on the or . On the plus side though, I think that means we'll (Coney) get R211's starting next year 😁 (if delivery is on schedule of course). Thanks for reading my mindless ramble. Carry on 🤣

I second this. The doesn't know how to be on time for ANYTHING, but and 's & and always arrive perfectly on time to interfere with one another, causing one of the trains to be held on the Bridge thru DeKalb Junction for 4-8 minutes. Annoying as hell. Another annoying bottleneck is Whitehall Street. When I take my into the city and I check MyMTA, if the is scheduled to arrive within 2 minutes of a departing Queens Bound , we will be held before Whitehall St on a crowded for 3-6 minutes. It drives me insane.

The made it pretty clear that they were only going to order a 1 test set of open gangway R211's & I understand their reasoning. They want to test the technology before it's fully utilized, sorta like the R110A/B order. I remember seeing that the reason somewhere that started this trend of ordering test sets was to to avoid the disaster that was the R44/46 order back in the 70's. They realized the new technology at the time (75' cars) should have been tested before being put into production.

Hey guys, I've recently decided to make a couple of purchases. Lets just say... I am very proud of this. Hope you guys enjoy. Redbird Rollsign (Likely a Westchester or Corona Set) R32 Phase II (Jamaica Set) Rollsign *Note: This Rollsign's Northbound and Southbound Terminals were in the wrong places. Has since been corrected. R40 or R40M Rollsign R42 Rollsign

Yes, please 👌

Hello all, for the past 10 years I have rocked the R32s username and it's been nice, but I am no longer 13 years old and R32's are not my favorite subway car anymore. With that being said, I'd like my user name to reflect my username on my transit Instagram page: NYCTNostalgia. Thanks to who ever can make this change possible. Best, Sean

The was cut off from Coney Island from 1994-1995, and 2001-2005. Long gaps, yeah, but still annoying.

Agreed, I take the Monday-Friday and I see trains running between every 6-20 mins during Rush Hour. Horrendously inconsistent. Additionally there's always considerable bunching on the , DAILY.

In the 's defense, as a daily Brighton commuter of both the and trains, I'd say the probability of getting an instant cross platform connection between the & the is roughly 2/10 Manhattan Bound (AM Rush) & 6/10 Brighton Beach/Coney Island bound (PM Rush). I'm not sure why the discrepancy between the two, but Manhattan Bound trains do not hesitate to close the doors and leave the station as the enters/discharges passengers at express stations. Majority of the time, when I transfer from the to the at Kings Highway, I wait on average 3-5 minutes so that practically makes up for those 4 minutes the lost in your case. However, I could just be unlucky 🤷‍♂️.

I am all for this! As a daily rider, this is much needed. Too much chaos and confusion at Times Square in the morning.

Where are you pulling this data from?

Just an opinion, don't go shooting arrows at me (just kidding of course) but: I personally never really considered a Nassau Street Line running via 4th Avenue again because before 2010, ridership along West End and 4th Avenue was very minimal. However considering how most Brooklyn riders transfer to the & IRT lines between DeKalb Avenue and 59th Street, it sort of seems like the most practical option. Possible Option: : Jamaica Center <> Bay Ridge-95 St via Jamaica Skip-Stop Express/Nassau Street-4th Avenue Local, Rush Hours. Other times, Jamaica Center <> Bay Ridge-95th Street via Jamaica-Nassau Street-4th Avenue Local. Pros: Due to minimal interlining (only interlining with the at Essex Street and Myrtle Avenue-Broadway versus the interlining with the at Queens Plaza, at the 60th Street Tube, at 34th Street-Herald Square, at Whitehall Street and more recently at 36th Street after 7PM due to Work Train assembly and at 59th & 36th Streets due to construction that causes the to stop at 45th & 53rd Street) delays and horrendous service gaps of 15 minutes+ would be reduced. Direct South Brooklyn & Nassau Street service would be restored. Direct South Brooklyn <> North Brooklyn service (believe it or not, I know many people including myself that would highly benefit from this). Nassau Street and Lower Manhattan Broadway stations are very close in proximity, minimal impact to Lower Manhattan riders. Direct access to major hubs such as the Fulton Street Transit Center, City Hall & more Chinatown access. If the few Brooklyn Heights/DUMBO riders really rely on Broadway Service, a transfer would be available at DeKalb Avenue or Canal Street to Broadway Services. Bay Ridge and 4th Avenue riders would finally ride on newer upgraded fleet, a step up from, the dingy R46's. Cons: Correct me if I am wrong but I believe as a terminal, Bay Ridge-95th Street can only turn around so many trains an hour (I think the number is around 10). The combined run a total 12 trains an hour (a frequency of 5 minutes). If 10 trains per hour is the maximum capacity that Bay Ridge-95th Street can turn around, 2 and/or trips would have to be short turned at Broad Street, causing a slight gap in Rush Hour Service in Southern Brooklyn. If the short turn option is a no-go, then the would have to be reduced to a combined 10 trains per hour (a frequency of 6 minutes) which doesn't seem bad at first glance, but riders along the Jamaica Line would experience 12 minute frequencies (average 6 minute wait times) at Skip-Stop Stations. I don't think Jamaica riders would be too enthusiastic about that. However I believe it can be done because if you recall the was in fact going to be reduced to 10 trains per hour as apart of the 14 Street Tube Shutdown Plan to make room for beefed up service. The would deal with more interlining due to all temporary construction along 4th Avenue, may cause delays to ripple along the entire Jamaica-Nassau Line. May ironically turn into another long Local Queens through Brooklyn line where a delay in Queens may cause delays to ripple all the way to Bay Ridge, thus solving nothing. : Forest Hills-71 Avenue <> Whitehall Street, all times except Late Nights (see ). Pros: Less Interlining = more reliable service. Short, Sweet and to the point Local line connecting Queens and Manhattan. Cons: May have to short turn trips at Canal Street during Peak-Hours if Whitehall can't handle the 7.5 trains per hour (frequency of 8 minutes) that the currently runs during Rush Hours. (May not be an issue considering the runs a single train per hour less.) Reduced service south of Canal Street (back to post-2010 through pre-2016 frequencies) with only the serving lower Manhattan. : Astoria-Ditmars Blvd <> Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via Broadway Local/4th Avenue Express, all times except Late Nights. Late Nights, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd <> Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via Whitehall Street to compensate for loss of late night service south of Canal Street (unless Late Night Queens through Manhattan service could be considered). Peak Service would have to be beefed up from 7.5 trains per hour (frequency of 8 minutes) to about 12 trains per hour (frequency of 6 minutes) to compensate for the loss of the . Pros: Extra service along the route, especially for Sea Beach Riders. Cons: May need to Short-Turn trains at Kings Highway or 86th Street-Gravesend during Peak Hours (not a huge deal in my opinion) due to beefed up service. Beefed headways can cause more congestion on the Manhattan Bridge and Merge from the Express to the Local tracks along Broadway, delaying service. Absorption of the would upset the many lovers of the line (including I). : Retired, much to my dismay, but if the MTA comply's with Bay Ridge's demands, I feel there is just no room for the in this scenario. In conclusion, there is no perfect way to solve the unpredictable service along the 4th Avenue Line. Chances are, the best service pattern for the aforementioned riders... is the one we currently have now! It remains a very damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. It is very possible that there is no perfect solution with the way the subway system was built over a century ago. There just isn't enough time or money to reconfigure the subway system to meet 2019's demands. Thats just my 2 cents, I don't feel that the is going to rearrange service, it is probably fine left just the way it is, even though it is pretty crappy. It's the best that can be done.

Just a few ideas on my mind: As a weekday AM & PM Rush Hour commuter between 57 St-7 Av & Avenue U, I constantly deal with the horrid merge at 34th St which will slow down my all the way to the bridge going south or stop us at 28th St on the express track going north, not to mention it causes delays on both the and . Also god forbid there'd be a merging in front of the on the bridge going south, with all the timers, curves and insanely slow speed limits in the DeKalb Junction, this causes many gaps in service service south of DeKalb Av, when trains are supposed to run roughly 7 minutes apart but will go from 2-4 minute intervals to 13-16 minute intervals at times during rush hour. My plan would be to completely de-interline the Broadway Line and the DeKalb Junction during normal hours: 96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via Sea Beach Daily, 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. Late Nights, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Local via Whitehall St. 96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via West End (B'way Local during late nights). Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall St via Broadway Local, Daily 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. To compensate for the loss of the in Astoria, the will have to be bumped up to approximately 14 trains per hour (frequency roughly every 4-5 minutes, similar to the ) during peak-times. Unfortunately Whitehall St is not a sufficient terminus to accommodate 14 trains per hour and without proper fleet numbers to extend into Brooklyn, a couple of will have to short-turn at Canal St (upper level) during peak-times. 205 St-Norwood to Coney Island via 6 Av Express/Brighton Local. Fleet Swaps/Changes: R68: 240 (30 Sets) +1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. R68: 8 (1 Set) R160: 210 (21 Sets) +1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. R68: 8 (1 Set) R160: 210 (21 Sets) R68: 24 (3 Sets) R160: 170 (17 Sets) +5 Sets of R160 Spares during Rush Hour will be used. Pros: Reduced congestion. Increased capacity. Minimal delays (especially on the Manhattan Bridge, which can be an absolute nightmare). Cons: Astoria line loses Broadway Express service (although only 4 stops are skipped between 57 St-7 Av and Canal St, so not a huge loss). Brighton line loses direct Broadway service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square. West End & 4 Av Line loses direct 6 Av Service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square. With this service pattern, there wouldn't be any interlining/merging of various lines, reducing delays and increasing capacity. Alternative Options: Cut weekend and replace it with to Astoria-Ditmars Blvd via Broadway Local. However this may cause signage complications and confusion among people. Keep the via West End, replace Sea Beach service with the , Bedford Park Blvd/145 St-Coney Island, normal hours (96 St-2 Av late nights), providing Central Park West with weekend service. Astoria-Whitehall St via Local, 96 St-2 Av to Brighton Beach/Coney Island, eliminated. However extended service during nights via 6 Av may be viewed as superfluous (unnecessary) & long time Sea Beach Riders likely wouldn't be to fond of losing service.

Are you sure, because I was definitely informed that 6 car R32/42's were not allowed on the by a post that DJHammers (I think) posted sometime back.

I believe that R32's and R42's are banned from the because of OPTO.

I don't believe sending select trains to 96 St-2 Av is a good idea. I believe during Rush Hours in the peak direction when the is the only line serving busy Concourse line stations, removing trains from its 7-9 minute average headway would cause awkward 14-18 minute gaps in service and for the Concourse line, that is a no-no.