Concourse Express

Looking forward to the Concourse Line FASTRACK for obvious reasons!

As for the one-week FASTRACKs, I believe it'll be overnight hours only...

With the deep-bored tunnels already set, the only possibility for capacity increases on the SAS (IMHO) is a pair of tunnels bored under the existing tunnels. Should MTA build extensions to The Bronx and/or Brooklyn, we can then consider this possibility (assuming further extensions of the or aren't enough).

Hmm, I guess I'm thinking of a different area (the n/b trains I were on slowed down b/w Canal and just past Spring St and hauled b/w BB and Canal; this happened on weekends when the wasn't running to Manhattan and I waited at least 5 mins for a train).

In the area in question, my experience is usually this: a bit slow until after the train bypasses the abandoned Worth St station, then regular speed. Never saw any timers there...

There is a curve, though, and before the (supposed) timers were installed, I've been on a train that almost slammed me onto the wall through it...There should be maybe a GT 25 there IMO, but it feels like trains have been going significantly slower than that.

 

25 would be too slow, especially going uphill. I understand the curves, but trains usually go faster through the curves bypassing Astor Place N/B. Random question: does the Bleecker transfer/construction have anything to do with the slowdown (assuming no new timers)?

Recently the northbound seems to be going really slowly between Brooklyn Bridge and passing Canal St. I can't remember; was it always this slow or were new timers installed this summer? I thought I remembered going faster there a few months ago.

 

I noticed this on some rides myself; don't know about timers but methinks it wouldn't make much sense - the stretch in question is upgrade...

Yes, I only do it lite (slightly more conservative in service on the ) and need a good train (see: 68A). Take the first timer at 20-22, as soon as it clears (and it will about 1/2 a car away), wrap. You will hit the south end of 155 in the upper 30s and the north end in the lower 40s. Its an adrenaline rush as one WON'T see the 2nd timer clear to green before you past the S, and you have NO VIEW of the associated signal about a carlength into the tube north of 155 until you're about halfway into 155, the best you can see is the light bouncing off the steel dust, with a green hue (meaning the signal cleared). No hue, full service with a halfway decent shot at stopping (I've had to do that when I took the first timer at 25, and I stopped at the entrance to the tube, about a carlength from hitting the signal).

 

As far as 167, I had a good train after touching the mid 50s so I actually climbed the hill down to 30, which was the first time I've done that too (not drop into the 20s). Usually its down in the mid 20's between 22-25 pending on how good the train is.

 

I see! Thanks for the info!

Coasting up the hill keeps the train at the speed that clears the timer at Franklin. Any kind of wrap after that will bring it up to just a hair over 40.

 

Had me a at 51 at Newkirk today, going up to the yard had it at 54 in the tube coming up into 161.

 

54, huh...requires just the right timing (wrap-wise) around the timed curve before skipping 155, I assume? The few times I've been lucky enough to ride Concourse Express trains with T/Os that "knew their timers" there were GREAT (if only they all went that fast)! Speaking of that, I have a question: how "fast" do trains typically go bypassing 167 N/B? That, to me, is the slowest stretch of the Conc Exp run (excluding the Yankee game double-switch)...

Running the to Flatbush on weekends could come at a cost, remember the midday service change that extended the to Flatbush?

 

midday before

 

4-7 minutes

10 minutes

 

midday after

 

8 minutes

8 minutes

 

Weekend idea to Flatbush

 

Current

8 minutes

10-14 minutes

 

Proposed (option 1)

10 minutes

10 minutes

 

Proposed (option 2)

12 minutes

12 minutes

 

As Brooklyn IRT said, cutting the is a HUGE NO-NO due to high ridership on the Jerome El (and it's still increasing).

Increasing weekend service even to 10-min headways could alleviate some crowding...

I think it's because of the need to complete station rehabs south of Bay Pkwy. Could be wrong though...

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The IND Second System would have had this and more. And the lines are not as far-reaching as they appear to be. The geography on the MTA Subway map is distorted—very distorted, so you can't trust your intuition when judging scales. You'd actually have to look up the streets and find a real map to pinpoint them with any accuracy, which explains why some of the new stations on my map are so close together or so far apart. The in my map, for example, terminates at Francis Lewis Boulevard and Long Island Expressway which is only three miles from Main Street and Roosevelt Avenue—the distance between 82 Street–Jackson Heights and Main Street on the Flushing line, yet the terminal is shown twice as far away. Instead, it should be where the is. I'm thinking about redoing the entire map by starting with a more accurate geographical representation.

Understood; methinks a geographically accurate fantasy map will present quite a challenge! Over on Subchat some time ago, someone posted a geographically accurate subway map that took almost a year...

What an impressive fantasy map! Some of those lines are quite far-reaching (definitely more so than those on my fantasy map; kinda makes me wanna go back and finish those revisions...)