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It was already terminating at 57th Street, so the eventual extension to East Side - 96th Street ended up being seamless. The reason why the train wasn't chosen was because of some understandable want for familiarity with Astoria Service being all the N. This can’t be it since the was already going to Astoria at that time. It also wouldn’t be the first time the (re)opening of a line shuffled a whole bunch of routes.

You are giving complex examples. Hence, I had qualified my statement: I expect some level of baseline knowledge from regular riders, such as knowing the stations their trains are stopping at every day.

The best answer to a passenger who doesn’t look like a tourist or out-of-towner: “is it physically possible for this train to go anywhere else except X?” (where X is usually a station a few stops away along an isolated R.O.W.) Like… you wouldn’t board a at New Lots Avenue and ask if it would go to Utica Avenue. The topology of the system all but guarantees it. An at Nassau Avenue? Where else could it possibly go in any direction? These are things—Markov chains or decision processes—that are learned through osmosis. A passenger who pays attention day-to-day learns these relationships and probabilities passively—no secret track map required.

A very chatty conductor over the weekend on the griped about this loud and clear during his train announcement at Atlantic Avenue–Barclays Center going southbound. He had been making announcements the entire time from 34 Street–Herald Square (where I got on), while the train was in the station and as the train was in between stations. After one of the passengers got off the train and walked up to the conductor to ask a—presumably—very stupid question which had already been answered for the past 15 minutes of droning announcements, the conductor made a very public speech about learning to pay attention—to the amusement of everyone else who wasn’t that idiot.

They retroactively retconned the code to be orange. That means every prior discussion about the brown is now orange.

When the broker asked me what objections I had to the Hudson Yards property, this was exactly my gripe. Yea, there is a subway station. But it’s out of service every other weekend, and it’s the only subway station around. Also, I don’t want to go to Queens. I only need it to get me to a train that I do need.

maybe you all should have thought about that before you started calling for Airtrain LGA to be canceled, as that would have given the entire Willets Point station complex a full renovation. Building a backwards shuttle to the airport just to get a single accessible station is like… (help me out here, I can’t settle on an analogy.)

Wow… what the network glitch…

Wow… what the network glitch…

I can't tell if that's sincere or sarcastic... Definitely sincere. Sarcastic remarks are always punctuated with /s for this very reason! 🙂

Looks like Broken Windows is here to stay. What a great time to live in NYC. Now they have to treat the rest of the subway system like they treat the LIRR: it’s not a mobile home.

Sounds like they want to not have subway service for 74 years. I’ve heard work trains honk their horns in the evenings, screeching of trains coming from West 8 Street, and clanking of wheels over Neptune Avenue into the creek in Coney Island for several decades. The trains have been there before I was even born. My family knew what kind of experience they were buying when we moved in. I would also love for the elevated lines to be replaced, with a better elevated line or an underground one. But such projects are generational now, and those who get it started never live to see it done.

If only this announcement means they’d actually make an effort to peel themselves off of the mezzanine walls and catch people obvious farebeating in front of them. I saw a pair at Fulton Center hop over the turnstiles right in front of the cops 20 feet away. They were taking their sweet time getting over them and neither of the cops lifted a leg to give the chase.

In the same way that the Lexington Avenue tunnel above the express tracks adds stations like 51 Street, or that Northern Boulevard is an extra station along a separate tunnel and that the and are not really skipping it? lol

Same headline, different day: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/brooklyn-subway-shooting-nyc-crime-afternoon-rush-hour-hoyt-schermerhorn/5226381/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/brooklyn-s-district-attorney-will-not-pursue-charges-against-man-in-fatal-new-york-city-subway-shooting-citing-self-defense/ar-BB1jYN69 tl;dr: man got shot with his own gun after threatening another on train

The word “vital” isn’t how the MTA and bean counters are using the word. Relative to people who use the and nothing else, of course it’s vital. But tell me what part of the subway system the serves that no other route already serves? Only the Myrtle Avenue branch. The is small fry in a big pond along with the , , and . You got it here. It’s always about compromises whether it’s, routing around the tracks that do exist (as opposed to fantasy ones that do not), getting the best service bang for the buck (within the morass of the agency’s fiscal inefficiencies), evening out traffic (despite sending passengers where they do not want to be), or placating the union, the NYC subway is an average of all the necessities being met. So while I agree that all of this is nice (if we had a boatload of cash to keep it going): They won’t happen without around-the-clock service and station enhancements to mitigate the dangers of overcrowding Lexington Avenue/53 Street.

Yup. The barrier to coding your own forum is pretty low. It’s the migration work that’s often the hardest.

I wonder how we might have prevented this… say… not releasing those people after the third strike? On the upside, a conductor could easily spot trouble by observing the no standing zone, as anyone standing in violation of the warning automatically cast suspicion on themselves. I also propose adding signs to the interior of trains, platforms, passageways, and elevators declaring: “no committing crimes!” /s

Ah. Looks like the “does broken windows policy work?” experiment is going to be over. We’ve gone full circle back to doing it again.

I’m willing to bet a good chunk of forum members here actually live in or around the Upper East Side or travel to/through there. They’re forming their opinions based on first-hand experience. It’s an opinion derived from second-hand information versus that.

That’s the problem: you don’t live there now. i lived in Queens a couple decades ago. I would defer to people who actually live there today.

“Suspicion” in my book is usually reserved for thoughts that have a high enough probability of being true that warrants further investigation and maybe action. This to 145 Street is unheard of outside of NYCTF… An interesting side note: there are also people who make proclamations which are so consistently wrong, people take what they say and automatically believe the opposite of it. Look up the Jim Cramer curse and the Inverse Cramer ETF for examples.

Uh… many of those updates are pure 🐂💩. The conductor tells you “we’re being held by a red signal up ahead” for reasons as diverse as: The T/O is stopping to take a leak out the front of the train. Someone is getting of/off the train (at a yard, for example). Yeah. I know the train stopped. But I could do without the fake reason. The in-station feeds and online updates are definitely helpful nowadays. I see a in 1 minute at Canal Street and an in 21 minutes… I’m getting on the even if I have to take a shuttle bus to Coney Island from Brighton Beach. I see huge gaps on NYC Subway Stringlines and I’m gonna walk the extra block to a different trunk line. Between the in-station countdown clocks and the Stringlines page, I usually trust the in-station countdown clocks since the apps that use the MTA’s datafeeds don’t always get complete information. I’ve been on ghost trains that didn’t show up at all on Stringlines.

I’m not seeing the solution. The southbound express track hugs the southbound local track all the way from from 72 Street to 59 Street. Going under and merging in from the western side of Central Park West wouldn’t work since Central Park West is built to be under the western half of Central Park West. Shortly after passing 72 Street, both southbound tracks veer west to make room for the northbound tracks. You can see sidewalk grating south of 62 Street, which means the track connection has to be made at or just south of 63 Street. Obviously, in the IND style, the curve radius has to be big enough to occupy an entire Manhattan street block. So working backwards from that point, the 63 Street connection would have to reach as high as 65 Street for the ramp and curve.

The express tracks maybe—depending on how many streets north the connection has to be made to connect to 63 Street. There’s a long stretch of switches and flyovers. Connecting to the local tracks would probably be not doable. At least one of the locals track would be quite difficult to reach. The southbound local track is entirely underneath the west side of Central Park West. Where the flyovers are, the northbound local track and both express tracks wall off the southbound local track. It’s shielded from the left and right. A track connection north of 59 Street would be a terrible idea: you have a junction just south of the station. Either 8 Avenue or 6 Avenue would have to be kicked off the express tracks, because it would result in a merge and diverge choke point at that one station. A new platform underneath the two levels? lol. Where south of the station would there be room to make a track connection?