Roadcruiser1

I found this plan from NYC Subway's website. In detail it explains the plan for the existing Grand Street Station. It does prove that Grand Street was designed to be have four tracks, and two island platforms. It explains in detail how the current Grand Street Station would be widened so it would go underneath the park. Remember this was in the 1970's when A.D.A. laws didn't exist so this was cheap and feasible.... http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Second_Avenue_Subway:_Route_132-C_Phase_I_Report

1. I don't really know. Now looking at it this plan clearly it might jam the trains at Broadway Lafayette Street. It's probably not impossible, but hard to plan out. 2. Phase 4 isn't planned yet, but I believe that using the current Grand Street Station would give the Second Avenue Subway a good chance of using the Chrystie Street Connection, and the Manhattan Bridge making it a better concept. 3. That 63rd Street Tunnel link is already planned by the as it can be seen on the planned track maps. I didn't say it would be in service. My map just shows future connections already planned by the except for the Manhattan Bridge connection which is fantasy. I am looking at all the track maps. It looks like during the construction of the connection at Chrystie Street the neglected to think about the future problems on the Culver Line resulting in the situation we see now. Too bad you can never alter what happened in the past. It would have been better if the problems were checked before construction. It's now pretty difficult.........

The solution would be to extend all our current lines in Queens out to Eastern Queens. They did be extended up to the border of Nassau County. The stations near the border will have park and ride allowing car drivers and buses from Long Island to park at the train stations and ride the subway into the city. I don't think the subway will be expanded into Nassau County currently. It's like the proposed subway expansion into New Jersey. Too many hurdles and technical difficulties........

There's no money, and no need for four tracks since the current service ideas would work well. I think a better idea for a Culver express would be this........ http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/349/0/5/2nd_avenue_subway_proposals_by_roadcruiser1-d6y519q.jpg

Instead of spending the money on Park and Ride it did make more sense to use that money to extend the current subway lines in Queens farther East which would also solve the problem.........

For Wallyhorse, Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html#fqcXyywHXRqvHQ3d.99 Back on topic. I doubt we will see the expansion of the Second Avenue Subway in our lifetimes. The needs to worry about the current phases that aren't even built yet. So how can they think about expanding it as of now? It's just impossible..........

Face it. The trunk lines that we have now with express service was built in the day when building it was cheap. Labor was cheap, steel was cheap, and etc. Nowadays it's done by unionized workers that get paid $40,000+ a year, laying track costs $700+ a ton, steel is $400+ a ton, and concrete is $150+ per cubic yard. Let's not forget to mention that you have to pay for architects, engineers, machinery, studies, urban planners, and etc. You guys get the message. Express tracks are not going to probably happen today. It's too expensive. Most of our new subway lines will probably have only two tracks. Though I do see future modifications on current trunk lines to help with our problems today.......

LOL I said that Select Bus Service wasn't a good idea but I never said I was 100% against it. Truthfully there has to be some solution to this problem..........

I looked up the ridership on the Lexington Avenue Line for 2012 and they are comparable to the ridership levels on the Broadway Line and the Washington Heights Line for 2012. You can look this up if you don't believe me. Yet there is no Select Bus Service on the West Side of Manhattan or a new subway line being built to relieve this congestion. It's not a good idea to keep denying this. Something has to be done. Regardless if it's either choice but it has to be done. This issue has to be solved somehow..........

That's because taking away lanes for SBS isn't a good idea since 8 million or more people are driving around our city's streets each day. This includes tourists and taxis, and not everyone lives next to the coast so they can't use a ferry. I understand that there isn't a money to build a Ninth Avenue Subway. That is why the solution for now is to increase service, but a new subway line will have to be built in the West Side regardless. It is crowded. Dismissing this idea is just plain foolhardy. We know that all the lines there are crowded. They will need to be supplemented..........

Ironically they both seem to have the same number of ridership per station. So as you can see since their numbers are about the same it means they are both extremely crowded. A new subway line might have to be built in the not so distant future to handle this..........

Face it. The didn't work. The easier option is just to have more trains, and probably a proposal to build a new subway line (this idea is far fetched and probably won't happen) that would help. Any other point is moot..........

It's already been mentioned that it won't work. Don't try rehashing ideas that don't work..........

At this rate the only option is to build a new West Side Subway Line. Preferably along Ninth Avenue..........

We do have that. It's called the new South Ferry platform. It was flooded out due to Hurricane Sandy so it won't be coming back for a while..........

There is an interesting point I would like to bring up. The IND foresaw this problem. Back in 1929 they proposed a Morningside Avenue Line which would have ran ride alongside the . This would have solved the congestion problems on the . The proposal was to have a Broadway Line service run from 57th Street, through Central Park West, and run up Morningside Avenue to 145th Street. Sadly it never happened so..........

As someone that has used the Seventh Avenue Line for almost 2 years my opinion is no. I don't see the point in the coming back. It won't address the current issues which is overcrowding on the . It would skip too much popular stations, and it would be a terrible pain on the butt on the local stations on the entire line which is why it was killed in the first place. So no the won't be coming back. A more realistic idea would be to add more trains during rush hour which will solve the overcrowding on the . This would work better and if communications based train control (CBTC) was brought to the Seventh Avenue Line it will help address the issues on the even more. There is no reason to use the 3rd track anyway since it's used for yard moves anyway. (Really I don't see this point brought up by foamers to use tracks that are unused for services that are not needed!!!!!!!!!!)

Looked at it before when I was young. Now that I am older I know that all those plans on his map will never happen. It's impossible..........

Not really. Drilling underneath a fault line isn't really a great idea..........

http://www.humorsharing.com/media/comment/1301/what_is_facepalm_50ff9ebd25187.jpg Please get a life or at least a girlfriend..........

No! There is only a limit of 30 TPH per two tracks. Your idea wouldn't even work in reality..........

That's where you are partially wrong. The Second Avenue Subway is being built currently so there would be provisions to extend it into the Bronx and Brooklyn later on. What you are suggesting will cost more as it will require the to have it's own tunnel to get to Brooklyn, but at least if it runs on the Nassau Street Line you won't have to spend all that money to build all that infrastructure..........http://observer.com/2008/03/sander-imagines-second-avenue-subway-all-the-way-to-queens/

But billions would be spent on Phase 4 if it was built and billions more will be spent later on when the needs to be extended to Brooklyn..........

There is no need for a third branch. Lefferts Boulevard is so close to the airport that an extension won't kill it. Besides the Jamaica Line can't handle an express track. Besides there is no room for switching at West 4th Street. It doesn't work..........

First of all the Sixth Avenue Line has no room. Second of all the Jamaica Line has no room. Why not just have the go there? It's so freaking close..........